The universe is a simulation and people just don't want to accept the truth..

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maybe i should have not have used the word determined... more like all possible outcomes exists as a possibility.

Yes, the key word is all possible outcomes. For example, if the possible states of A -> B, A -> C, B -> D, C -> E are being considered, then B -> E will never happen.
 

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you are right. but by arguing in terms of mind-state, you are encroaching into the area of determinism, i.e. mind state A of anxiety will always pick fast-food over bak chor mee. bak chor mee appears to be an option, but will never be picked by the agent if he is at mind state A.

hence, there is no 'leeway'.

Yes, but mind-state A is not fixed. By switching to mind-state B, the possibility tree branches to other possible outcomes. This switch has to happen before mind-state A becomes reality. In other words, one can look ahead into the possibility tree to make the necessary changes before a particular outcome has become determinate.
 

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You lack critical thinking. I gave an analogy and you missed it

Since opposition not enough votes to do anything like you said, ditto for simulated beings inside the simulation.
already told you why it's not even equivalent.

your analogy is one whereby there is no chance to change anything since by your thinking, there is no way to change.
you totally rule out logging out or anyway to change it.

whereas the votes thing can change with enough votes hence why vote.
The one who lacks critical thinking seems to be you but you just wanna throw in analogy that doesn't even fit your original scenario. zzz.
 

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Yes, but mind-state A is not fixed. By switching to mind-state B, the possibility tree branches to other possible outcomes. This switch has to happen before mind-state A becomes reality.

the concept of free-will however is about an agent having the freedom to will over his possible options.

if the agent has no free-reign between both mind-state A or B at the point of decision-making, can we rly say he/she have the free-will then?

i suppose you could also induce that he has the free-will to nudge him/herself towards a certain mind-state to subsequently make a certain decision, but where is that free-will arising from to create that initial nudge towards the desired direction to trigger this supposed domino-effect? was it the agent himself, or similarly is it the mind-state, or even random again? if it's either of the above, it still does not fit the definition of free-will as outlined in the first statement, where there is an agent possibly somewhere behind making either decisions A or B not succumbing to the physics of mind-state or just stochastic randomness.
 
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Yes, the key word is all possible outcomes. For example, if the possible states of A -> B, A -> C, B -> D, C -> E are being considered, then B -> E will never happen.
i differ from your view on this. From my view, possible states = everything. so B>E exists. There is never anything that doesn't exists as a possibility.
 

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already told you why it's not even equivalent.

your analogy is one whereby there is no chance to change anything.
whereas the votes thing can change with enough votes hence why vote.
The one who lacks critical thinking seems to be you but you just wanna throw in analogy that doesn't even fit your original scenario. zzz.
Opposition can even get enough votes in the first place? You think yes but it's an illusion. The pragmatic voters of Singapore will never vote in the useless opposition.

An illusion just like the simulation.
 

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We r in the multiverse.
There ish another chiu in another world. :eek:
 

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Dk y tis pappiedog start thread talkin bout simulation then end up keep bashin oppo
 

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Opposition can even get enough votes in the first place? You think yes but it's an illusion. The pragmatic voters of Singapore will never vote in the useless opposition.

An illusion just like the simulation.
PAP is an opposition in the first place. Voting is how they became the incumbent.
You wanna raise an example, at least raise one where doing something won't change an outcome.
If everyone vote oppo, oppo become incumbent.
That's not like your scenario whereby there is no chance of change.
 

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PAP is an opposition in the first place. Voting is how they became the incumbent.
You wanna raise an example, at least raise one where doing something won't change an outcome.
If everyone vote oppo, oppo become incumbent.
That's not like your scenario whereby there is no chance of change.
I also gave another analogy your video game character cannot switch off your computer, only you can.

Tell me when your video game character is able to come out of your monitor to switch off the computer.
 

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Try stabbing yourself with a knife, then try to convince yourself again its fake u r in simulation, or go road let car bang, no issue still in simulation
The pain is also a simulation through yur senses, fear as well.
It is a humongous calculator, the rounding errors end up as wins in casinos and lotteries.
 

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Yes, it is obvious there is a programmer who designed this simulation. God is the creator and we are His creation.
 

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Is this a pap ib por lan pa thread in disguise?
 

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.. finally someone waking up, yes this is a shadow universe, if you want to logout be a truth seeker, find an enlightened master who has the key..
 
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