TP-Link Archer WiFi 6E/7 Router and Deco WiFi 6E/7 mesh solution

[xiaofan]

Top best now?

Same setup and configure settings.

Haha, yes, now you have the fastest download speed in this forum.

@kashix
Now you want to try again to gain back the position.

 

[kashix]

Haha, yes, now you have the fastest download speed in this forum.

@kashix
Now you want to try again to gain back the position.

A bit lazy uh, anyways I held the top position for so long undisputed.
Congrats hahaha

 

[xiaofan]

It is interesting the top two WiFi download speeds achieved are from TP-Link wireless routers and Android Flagship mobile phone.

Nothing above 4Gbps WiFi 7 speed yet from laptop/desktops as of now.

1) From jasonho --> TP-Link Archer BE805 (MediaTek Filogic 880 chipset) with Oppo Find X8 Pro (MediaTek Dimensity 9400 flagship mobile chipset)

Dimensity 9400 Chipset WiFi 7 -->
New 4nm Wi-Fi 7/Bluetooth chip,
Up to 7.3Gbps Wi-Fi data rate
Wi-Fi 7 tri-band concurrency with 5-streams (2x2 + 2x2 + 1x1)
https://www.mediatek.com/products/smartphones/mediatek-dimensity-9400

2) From kashix --> TP-Link Archer BE550 Pro and Xiaomi 14

Xiaomi 14 --> Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 chipset
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/m...-platforms/snapdragon-8-gen-3-mobile-platform
Qualcomm® FastConnect™ 7800 Connectivity System is the only solution offering Wi-Fi 7 with High Band Simultaneous Multi-Link and Bluetooth® technologies.

 

[jasonho]

It is interesting the top two WiFi download speeds achieved are from TP-Link wireless routers and Android Flagship mobile phone.

Nothing above 4Gbps WiFi 7 speed yet from laptop/desktops as of now.

1) From jasonho --> TP-Link Archer BE805 (MediaTek Filogic 880 chipset) with Oppo Find X8 Pro (MediaTek Dimensity 9400 flagship mobile chipset)

Dimensity 9400 Chipset WiFi 7 -->
New 4nm Wi-Fi 7/Bluetooth chip,
Up to 7.3Gbps Wi-Fi data rate
Wi-Fi 7 tri-band concurrency with 5-streams (2x2 + 2x2 + 1x1)
https://www.mediatek.com/products/smartphones/mediatek-dimensity-9400

2) From kashix --> TP-Link Archer BE550 Pro and Xiaomi 14

Xiaomi 14 --> Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 chipset
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/m...-platforms/snapdragon-8-gen-3-mobile-platform
Qualcomm® FastConnect™ 7800 Connectivity System is the only solution offering Wi-Fi 7 with High Band Simultaneous Multi-Link and Bluetooth® technologies.

Same setup but 1.5m away from router. I wonder if it will hit 5Gbps .
Mediatek chipset are quite promsing

 

[jheff21]

Just want to ask, as Ive never used TP Link. Specifically for BE85, does it have the flexibility like Asus to create unique SSID per band? All I saw i youtube was same base ssid appended with _5G or something like that. Also, I understand the there are some separate subscription in tplink like parental security...for normal simple wifi usage and direct to LAN pc... if not subscribing, it isnt a big deal isnt it?

 

[jheff21]

Just want to ask, as Ive never used TP Link. Specifically for BE85, does it have the flexibility like Asus to create unique SSID per band? All I saw i youtube was same base ssid appended with _5G or something like that. Also, I understand the there are some separate subscription in tplink like parental security...for normal simple wifi usage and direct to LAN pc... if not subscribing, it isnt a big deal isnt it?

Also the random fan throttle, is the noise really disruptive assuming it will be hidden in DB

 

[xiaofan]

HB710 in AP mode -- quite some FW functions will be gone.

Good thing is that Internet SpeedTest function (using embedded OOkla utility) still works in AP mode.

Wireless functions include Guest Network are still there as well.

 

[xiaofan]

My TP-Link HB710 Wireless Settings for reference.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/starhub-ultraspeed-5gbps-plan-launched.7024290/page-214

You may want to change 5GHz band and 6GHz band Channel Selection to "Auto". I use a specific channel based on my situation. I like to use CH60 (DFS) channel for the 5GHz band. For 6GHz band, I actually have not tried to see if the channel selection makes a difference or not.

I decided to disable Band Steering in my case --> if not somehow my laptop with Intel AX201 WiFI 6 adapter often connects to the 2.4GHz band.

Enable 160MHz channel bandwidth do not affect other devices not on wifi 6 or 7, since it will drop to lower channel bandwidth automatically. However, if you encounter issues, you may have to use Guest Network with legacy WiFi 4 and WiFi 5 clients. It is usually not related to the 160MHz channel bandwidth, but rather because of the "Mode" settings. Some legacy clients do not work when AX or BE mode are used.

Some experts prefer to use 80MHz channel bandwidth for 5GHz band to avoid interferences from neighbours. In the enterprise 40MHz channel bandwidth may be used (slower speed but better reliability).

Similarly I enable 320MHz channel bandwidth for the 6GHz band to achive higher SpeedTest numbers (not very useful in practice, just for fun) but some experts prefer to set it as 160MHz because it is not easy to achieve 320MHz channel bandwidth in Singapore other than at close distance, since 6GHz-2 band is not approved yet for WiFi use in SIngapore.

 

[xiaofan]

Just want to ask, as Ive never used TP Link. Specifically for BE85, does it have the flexibility like Asus to create unique SSID per band? All I saw i youtube was same base ssid appended with _5G or something like that. Also, I understand the there are some separate subscription in tplink like parental security...for normal simple wifi usage and direct to LAN pc... if not subscribing, it isnt a big deal isnt it?

1. I do not have the Deco BE85, but as per TP-Link Forum, it is not able to seperate 2.4GHz and 5GHz band, 6GHz and MLO will have their own seperate SSIDs.

The work around is to disable 2.4GHz in the main SSID and create guest network SSID using 2.4GHz. Please

Reference:
1) TP-Link Community FAQ: Does Deco support separate 2.4GHz and 5GHz SSIDs?
https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/541930

So if you want separate SSIDs over 2.4 GHz and 5GHz Wi-Fi here is what you could do:

• Turn off 2.4 GHz under the Main Network.
• Enable the IOT network with a different SSID under 2.4 GHz only.

2) Dongknows Deco BE85 review --> 2.4GHz/5GHz SSID, 6GHz SSID, MLO SSID are available
https://dongknows.com/tp-link-deco-be85-wi-fi-7-mesh-system-review/

3) On the other hand, TP-Link seems to continuously improve the FW of Deco BE85, now with Wireguard VPN support and channel selection features.
https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/714836

2. For basic usages, the basic free Homeshield features may be good enough, no need to subscribe to the paid features.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/homeshield/

 

[jheff21]

1. I do not have the Deco BE85, but as per TP-Link Forum, it is not able to seperate 2.4GHz and 5GHz band, 6GHz and MLO will have their own seperate SSIDs.

The work around is to disable 2.4GHz in the main SSID and create guest network SSID using 2.4GHz. Please

Reference:
1) TP-Link Community FAQ: Does Deco support separate 2.4GHz and 5GHz SSIDs?
https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/541930

So if you want separate SSIDs over 2.4 GHz and 5GHz Wi-Fi here is what you could do:

• Turn off 2.4 GHz under the Main Network.
• Enable the IOT network with a different SSID under 2.4 GHz only.

2) Dongknows Deco BE85 review --> 2.4GHz/5GHz SSID, 6GHz SSID, MLO SSID are available
https://dongknows.com/tp-link-deco-be85-wi-fi-7-mesh-system-review/

3) On the other hand, TP-Link seems to continuously improve the FW of Deco BE85, now with Wireguard VPN support and channel selection features.
https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/714836

2. For basic usages, the basic free Homeshield features may be good enough, no need to subscribe to the paid features.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/homeshield/

As always, thank guru @xiaofan for the in depth answers!

 

[Jurong640]

After using the BE805 given free by my ISP M1, I've noticed some of the below:

- Tried MLO network that aggregates between 2.4ghz, 5ghz and 6ghz bands with my Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra, Samsung Galaxy S24, both supports only WiFi 6E and not WiFi 7. Tried a series of speed test around 2 meters Infront of the router, at times it only connects to 5ghz frequency and will drop to 2.4ghz. Only a few instances it will be on 6ghz. This causes inconsistent speed test results. While on 6ghz MLO, it can reach around 1.4gbps download, while on 5ghz MLO it can reach around 1.5gbps and 500mbps on 2.5ghz. Quite inconsistent and still need some improvements as it should be right be using 6ghz as I'm right Infront of the router without anything in sight.

- I proceeded to try 5ghz and 6ghz WiFi network separately, and not MLO. I got 1.8gbps on 5ghz, and 1.7gbps on 6ghz respectively. So it think it does not really benefit significantly if I use 6gHz, moreover the range on 6gHz is smaller. 5ghz range on this router is quite good.

- The range on 2.4ghz is pretty good, fare better than my old Asus Ax86U. I still be able to use my WiFi 2.4ghz in my furthest toilet at the end of the kitchen with thick walls.

- LAN ports are good. Plugged the 10G port to my desktop. Can't really achieve the full speed as my LAN card on my PC is 2.5g. Will upgrade it in the future.

- I also don't have any WiFi 7 devices at home to test. Still thinking if I should upgrade to S25 series to get WiFi 7.

- Noticed some lags in loading contents while using 6ghz WiFi band. For example, scrolling through tiktok, Facebook feed, some images does not load instantly. Shopee also takes awhile to load it's contents. I don't experience that in 5ghz, or my old router Ax86U, most things loaded instantly without lags.

 

[xiaofan]

Just got my Archer BE805 today (S$300 from an M1 user).

Quick SpeedTest using an Acer Swift Go 14 2024 model (Intel Core Ultra 5 125H CPU, Intel BE200NGW based Killer BE1750 WiFi 7 adapter, Windows 11 24H2), 3m away from the Archer BE805 router.

MLO SSID is still slower than 6GHz band alone, but faster than 5GHz band.

Singtel 5Gbps plan.

Very close range, 6GHz SSID.

 

[Jurong640]

Just got my Archer BE805 today (S$300 from an M1 user).

Quick SpeedTest using an Acer Swift Go 14 2024 model (Intel Core Ultra 5 125H CPU, Intel BE200NGW based Killer BE1750 WiFi 7 adapter, Windows 11 24H2), 3m away from the Archer BE805 router.

MLO SSID is still slower than 6GHz band alone, but faster than 5GHz band.

Singtel 5Gbps plan.

Very close range, 6GHz SSID.

yup. Similar to what i tried, 6ghz and MLO, no much difference. Even though I tested on a wifi 6e device, I don't have a wifi 7 device to test. But I only get a max 1.8gbps on 6ghz.

 

[jasonho]

Just got my Archer BE805 today (S$300 from an M1 user).

Quick SpeedTest using an Acer Swift Go 14 2024 model (Intel Core Ultra 5 125H CPU, Intel BE200NGW based Killer BE1750 WiFi 7 adapter, Windows 11 24H2), 3m away from the Archer BE805 router.

MLO SSID is still slower than 6GHz band alone, but faster than 5GHz band.

Singtel 5Gbps plan.

Very close range, 6GHz SSID.

Please loan me your be805. Let me try 2x Be805 Easymesh with my Oppo Find X8 pro. If good, I will sell away my Asus GT6

 

[xiaofan]

yup. Similar to what i tried, 6ghz and MLO, no much difference. Even though I tested on a wifi 6e device, I don't have a wifi 7 device to test. But I only get a max 1.8gbps on 6ghz.

Your case is a bit different from my case. Your WiFi 6E devices will not support 320MHz channel bandwidth on the 6GHz band, they also do not support MLO. So for you the speed is basically the same for 5GHz, 6GHz and MLO SSID.

In my case, my WiFi 7 clients support 320MHz channel bandwidth on the 6GHz band and also 5GHz+6GHz MLO. My WiFi 7 clients will have much higher speed on the 6GHz and MLO SSID than the 5GHz SSID. But MLO implementation is apparently not so good for the Intel BE200 based WiFi 7 adapters under Windows 11 24H2 (prior version will be even worse), so I do not see higher speed of the MLO SSID compared to 6GHz SSID. This is in line with most of the testing results here, with the exception of @jasonho's Oppo Find X8 Pro which uses MediaTek Dimensity 9400 chipset which seems to have the best MLO implementation now.

 

[xiaofan]

One missing feature of TP-Link Archer BE805 seems to be the lack of built-in OOkla SpeedTest function.

Starhub issued EB810v and HB710 both have this function. Singtel issued HB810 also has this function.

 

[Jurong640]

Your case is a bit different from my case. Your WiFi 6E devices will not support 320MHz channel bandwidth on the 6GHz band, they also do not support MLO. So for you the speed is basically the same for 5GHz, 6GHz and MLO SSID.

In my case, my WiFi 7 clients support 320MHz channel bandwidth on the 6GHz band and also 5GHz+6GHz MLO. My WiFi 7 clients will have much higher speed on the 6GHz band and MLO than the 5GHz SSID. But MLO implementation is apparently not so good for the Intel BE200 under Windows, so I do not see higher speed of the MLO SSID compared to 6GHz band. This is in line with most of the testing results here, with the exception of @jasonho's Oppo Find X8 Pro which uses MediaTek Dimensity 9400 chipset which seems to have the best MLO implementation now.

True. That's why it's tempting me to upgrade to Samsung S25 series to get WiFi 7. But, I feel it is not worth (at all) just to upgrade because it supports WiFi 7. Probably, in the near future (S26 Series) as my current phone which supports Wifi 6E, it's good enough for now.

I've turned off MLO and 320MHz. I'll try awhile more for the 6GHz band, I don't see any true benefits of 6GHz over 5GHz, speed difference not huge. Range isn't that good for 6GHz too.

One missing feature of TP-Link Archer BE805 seems to be the lack of built-in OOkla SpeedTest function.

Starhub issued EB810v and HB710 both have this function. Singtel issued HB810 also has this function.

I was looking around for that function too and didn't see it. Seems like the BE805 is a lite version of BE800.
Are you going to use the BE805 as your main router?

 

[xiaofan]

Using my older Acer Swift 3 laptop early 2021 model (Intel Core i5-1135G7 CPU, Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter), 3m distance from the Archer BE805 router.

Test result on the 5GHz band.

 

[xiaofan]

True. That's why it's tempting me to upgrade to Samsung S25 series to get WiFi 7. But, I feel it is not worth (at all) just to upgrade because it supports WiFi 7. Probably, in the near future (S26 Series) as my current phone which supports Wifi 6E, it's good enough for now.

I've turned off MLO and 320MHz. I'll try awhile more for the 6GHz band, I don't see any true benefits of 6GHz over 5GHz, speed difference not huge. Range isn't that good for 6GHz too.

I was looking around for that function too and didn't see it. Seems like the BE805 is a lite version of BE800.
Are you going to use the BE805 as your main router?

Indeed no need to upgrade the phone now. I only use mid-range Android phones with a budget of only up to S$400, so none of my phones support WiFi 7.

I will not use Archer BE805 as the main router. Rather I will use it as an AP after OpenWRT main router.

My Singtel 5Gbps plan --> Virtual OpenWRT running on Intel N100 mini PC as the main router, right now I use Asus RT-AX86U and TUF-BE6500 as AP. I will change RT-AX86U to Archer BE805.

My Starthub 5Gbps plan (another site) --> I will use Starhub issued HB710 as the main router once Starhub 5Gbps plan is installed about one month later. Right now it is using Huawei AX3 Pro as the main router for the Starhub 500Mbps plan.

Before that I will try out Archer BE805 + HB710 to see if EasyMesh Wireless Backhaul works fine or not.

 

[Jurong640]

Indeed no need to upgrade the phone now. I only use mid-range Android phones with a budget of only up to S$400, so none of my phones support WiFi 7.

I will not use Archer BE805 as the main router. Rather I will use it as an AP after OpenWRT main router.

My Singtel 5Gbps plan --> Virtual OpenWRT running on Intel N100 mini PC as the main router, right now I use Asus RT-AX86U and TUF-BE6500 as AP. I will change RT-AX86U to Archer BE805.

My Starthub 5Gbps plan (another site) --> I will use Starhub issued HB710 as the main router once Starhub 5Gbps plan is installed about one month later. Right now it is using Huawei AX3 Pro as the main router for the Starhub 500Mbps plan.

Before that I will try out Archer BE805 + HB710 to see if EasyMesh Wireless Backhaul works fine or not.

Oh, i was confused when you commented in SH thread that you got SH 5gbps plan, when I remembered you have Singtel 5Gbps plan. haha

What's the use case for using the router as AP mode instead of the main router?

Is it like those BTO's where the main router is placed beside the TP point in the box? Then wired up to living room for the BE805?