WiFi 7 routers (including WiFi 7 routers without 6GHz band support)

[xiaofan]

How are you? I recently applied for a Singtel 5gbps package. Which one has a better signal transmission rate, HB810 or BE805? Because I don't have enough budget, I can only buy it from carousel. The second-hand HB810 was used for 2 months and cost $360. The new BE805 cost $300. My family doesn't play large games, but just watch movies and do basic online uploads. Could you give me some advice? Thank you.

Unlikely you will get a good answer for this question since basically very few people will get both of them and compare.

You may want to post your floor plan (with details like LAN ports location and intended placement location of the wireless routers) and see if it is possible to place the router in a central location to cover the flat.

Do you have any 10Gbps capable device (very few 5Gbps devices out there)?

BTW, if I am forced to select between Singtel issued HB810 vs TP-Link Archer BE805, I will choose to go with Archer BE805 as it is not locked to Singtel.

 

[wlun228]

if anyone looking for Xiaomi be7000, can get from here, same price with China and no waiting time

Check out 'Xiaomi 7000 BE7000 WIFI 7 ROUTER used like new!', available at S$150 on #Carousell https://carousell.app.link/TW1wcOZHaKb

I’m using be7000 myself and can tell wifi strength is better than my previous router but speed wise I think same la since I have no wifi 7 device

 

[xiaofan]

知电小春哥review of Ruijie Snow Leopard BE50 (锐捷雪豹BE50), BE5000 rated. He ranks it higher than other BE5000/BE5100 China WiFi 7 routers he has reviewed.

He also rated Ruijie Scorpion BE72 Pro (锐捷天蝎BE72 Pro, BE7200 rated) as the overall #1 rated China WiFi 7 routers he has reviewed so far. Previous #1 ZTE BE7200 Pro+ becomes #2 now.

 

[Nakedtoes]

Unlikely you will get a good answer for this question since basically very few people will get both of them and compare.

You may want to post your floor plan (with details like LAN ports location and intended placement location of the wireless routers) and see if it is possible to place the router in a central location to cover the flat.

Do you have any 10Gbps capable device (very few 5Gbps devices out there)?

BTW, if I am forced to select between Singtel issued HB810 vs TP-Link Archer BE805, I will choose to go with Archer BE805 as it is not locked to Singtel.

So is the EB810V locked to StarHub network? Can it be use for other telco.?

 

[xiaofan]

So is the EB810V locked to StarHub network? Can it be use for other telco.?

EB810v is locked to Starhub. HB810 is locked to Singtel. The meaning of "locked" here mainly means that the firmware updates are locked to the ISP. That will cause security concerns.

For EB810v and HB810, they should work with other ISPs (with potential exception of Singtel ONT users using 500Mbps/1Gbps plan because it is not clear whether Singtel VLAN profile is available or not in the firmware, need to get confirmation from the owners) as a router (Double NAT if behind ONR). They should also work in AP mode for ONR users (no Double NAT but losing many firmware features). The main problem is that you may not get the firmware updates if using other ISPs.

That is the reason that I do not recommend buying EB810v or HB810 from Carousell for the users of other ISPs. Take note Archer BE805 is not locked to MR. So it is safer to buy Archer BE805 in Carousell.

 

[Nakedtoes]

EB810v is locked to Starhub. HB810 is locked to Singtel. The meaning of "locked" here mainly means that the firmware updates are locked to the ISP. That will cause security concerns.

For EB810v and HB810, they should work with other ISPs (with potential exception of Singtel ONT users using 500Mbps/1Gbps plan because it is not clear whether Singtel VLAN profile is available or not in the firmware, need to get confirmation from the owners) as a router (Double NAT if behind ONR). They should also work in AP mode for ONR users (no Double NAT but losing many firmware features). The main problem is that you may not get the firmware updates if using other ISPs.

That is the reason that I do not recommend buying EB810v or HB810 from Carousell for the users of other ISPs. Take note Archer BE805 is not locked to MR. So it is safer to buy Archer BE805 in Carousell.

Thx. For the info

 

[djdestiny]

Wah lao. Just when I got the ZTE.

Erm...

 

[djdestiny]

Notice that I use "could" as I have not seen the test results of the TP-Link.

The ZTE BE7200 Pro+ is ranked No 1 by 知电小春哥 for WiFi 7 routers in China. Let's wait for more reviews from 知电 to see if the rank changes later.

I also got the ZTE BE7200 Pro+ as I did not like the form factor of Xiaomi BE7000.

How do you like the ZTE BE7200 Pro+? In my testing, it matches the good WiFi performance of my Asus RT-AX86U. Its firmware features are not too bad but of course not as good as the Asus. I am using it as an wireless AP after OpenWRT virtual router running on an Intel N100 mini PC.

The mediatek chips (used in Xiaomi BE3600, BE5000 TPLink 7DR3610, 5130, 5160, 7DR7230, 7DR7260) is gaining popularity in cheaper routers because it is made on 6nm (TSMC N6?) and integrates FEM into the RF chips unlike the qualcomm solutions and I feel like its roughly slightly better dBm performance from the 7DR7230/60 that I have as my Xiaomi AX9000 when its not drunk on OpenWRT (i flashed back to stock)
Of course, the 7DR723/60 definitely uses triple A73 core unlike the 2/3TR models (Filogic 860)
The Qualcomm powered 7DR6560 I also have uses a lot more power. Shame. (And it runs on IPQ5322 so its 14nm and quad core A53)

The most powerful routers are the ones without RF filters in them and although the Xiaomi AX6000 I had the terrible qualcomm solutions i used it as a AP and its actually the ONLY router I had that was fully capable of working with my K60 Pro in the furthest toilet

 

[xiaofan]

Potential future RT-BE86U from Asus. I doubt it will be triband, most likely dual band (BE6800) and lower end than RT-BE88U (BE7200) but higher end than TUF-BE6500.

https://www.snbforums.com/threads/r...at-computex-taipei-possible-news-scoop.90473/

 

[xiaofan]

This one is interesting. We should see cheaper USB dongles from other vendors later.
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MSI was also showing off the BE6500 WiFi 7 USB adapter which is a tri-band dongle and the first of its kind that we've seen. It supports speeds of up to 2880 Mbps on the 6 and 5 GHz bands and 688 Mbps on the 2.4 GHz band, assuming you have a suitable WiFi 7 router or access point.

https://www.techpowerup.com/323191/...roamii-mesh-systems-and-wifi-7-usb-dongle?amp

The report also mentioned the WiFi 7 mesh solution from MSI.

 

[djdestiny]

This one is interesting. We should see cheaper USB dongles from other vendors later.
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MSI was also showing off the BE6500 WiFi 7 USB adapter which is a tri-band dongle and the first of its kind that we've seen. It supports speeds of up to 2880 Mbps on the 6 and 5 GHz bands and 688 Mbps on the 2.4 GHz band, assuming you have a suitable WiFi 7 router or access point.

https://www.techpowerup.com/323191/...roamii-mesh-systems-and-wifi-7-usb-dongle?amp

The report also mentioned the WiFi 7 mesh solution from MSI.

Intel seriously needs to fix their wifi 7 chipsets in the meantime
Both BE200 and BE202 are not CNViO but fails to work on any AMD boards

 

[xiaofan]

The mediatek chips (used in Xiaomi BE3600, BE5000 TPLink 7DR3610, 5130, 5160, 7DR7230, 7DR7260) is gaining popularity in cheaper routers because it is made on 6nm (TSMC N6?) and integrates FEM into the RF chips unlike the qualcomm solutions and I feel like its roughly slightly better dBm performance from the 7DR7230/60 that I have as my Xiaomi AX9000 when its not drunk on OpenWRT (i flashed back to stock)
Of course, the 7DR723/60 definitely uses triple A73 core unlike the 2/3TR models (Filogic 860)
The Qualcomm powered 7DR6560 I also have uses a lot more power. Shame. (And it runs on IPQ5322 so its 14nm and quad core A53)

The most powerful routers are the ones without RF filters in them and although the Xiaomi AX6000 I had the terrible qualcomm solutions i used it as a AP and its actually the ONLY router I had that was fully capable of working with my K60 Pro in the furthest toilet

Erm...

Wow, you really have a lot of routers.

Xiaomi AX6000 indeed has very good coverage as per the reports. So it can function as a good AP.

For Xiaomi AX3600 and Xiaomi AX9000 (IPQ807x), the stock OpenWRT does not seem to have very good performance -- so indeed it is easier to run stock FW. But there is an alternative build which enables Qualcomm NSS.
https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/2858

Ruijie BE72 Pro (MediaTek Filogic 860) has got very good review from 知电晓春哥 and current ranks #1 in the overall ranking of China WiFi 7 routers by 知电, let's see how TL-7DR7230/7260 can be in the top 5 list of not.

 

[hwzlite]

This one is interesting. We should see cheaper USB dongles from other vendors later.
*****************
MSI was also showing off the BE6500 WiFi 7 USB adapter which is a tri-band dongle and the first of its kind that we've seen. It supports speeds of up to 2880 Mbps on the 6 and 5 GHz bands and 688 Mbps on the 2.4 GHz band, assuming you have a suitable WiFi 7 router or access point.

https://www.techpowerup.com/323191/...roamii-mesh-systems-and-wifi-7-usb-dongle?amp

The report also mentioned the WiFi 7 mesh solution from MSI.

Should be based on MediaTek mt7925 If claimed support Linux out-of-box

 

[xiaofan]

The mediatek chips (used in Xiaomi BE3600, BE5000 TPLink 7DR3610, 5130, 5160, 7DR7230, 7DR7260) is gaining popularity in cheaper routers because it is made on 6nm (TSMC N6?) and integrates FEM into the RF chips unlike the qualcomm solutions and I feel like its roughly slightly better dBm performance from the 7DR7230/60 that I have as my Xiaomi AX9000 when its not drunk on OpenWRT (i flashed back to stock)
Of course, the 7DR723/60 definitely uses triple A73 core unlike the 2/3TR models (Filogic 860)
The Qualcomm powered 7DR6560 I also have uses a lot more power. Shame. (And it runs on IPQ5322 so its 14nm and quad core A53)

Just a minor correction -- Xiaomi BE3600 is using Qualcomm IPQ5312 quad-core Arm Cortex A53 CPU at 1.1GHz. In fact, this IPQ5312 CPU is faster than the AN7563PT CPU (dual core Arm Cortex A53 at 1GHz) used in Xiaomi BE5000 (as well as TL-7DR3610/3630/5130/5160). AN7653 is from Airoha, a subsidiary of MediaTek.

Interesting comment about the thermal of TL-7DR6560 which uses IPQ5322.

The following reviewer of Ruijie BE72 Pro says that Filogic 860 is not well optimized and still has got thermal issues. And the CPU (MT7998D, tri-core Arm Cortex A73 at 1.8GHz) performance can not beat the older Filogic 830 CPU MT7986AV/BV (quad-core Arm Cortex A53 at 1.8GHz) in the benchmarking test. Let's see if further optimization will make it better.

I will be quite interested in future Filogic 880 based higher end China WiFi 7 routers. It is interesting that there are not many existing adopters for the internation models with 6GHz support (seems only TP-Link Archer 805 is using it). Banana Pi BPi-R4 is using it but that is not exactly a consumer router but rather a development board.



The same reviewer also has a comparison of Xiaomi BE3600 vs Xiaomi BE5000.

 

[djdestiny]

Just a minor correction -- Xiaomi BE3600 is using Qualcomm IPQ5312 quad-core Arm Cortex A53 CPU at 1.1GHz. In fact, this IPQ5312 CPU is faster than the AN7563PT CPU (dual core Arm Cortex A53 at 1GHz) used in Xiaomi BE5000 (as well as TL-7DR3610/3630/5130/5160). AN7653 is from Airoha, a subsidiary of MediaTek.

Interesting comment about the thermal of TL-7DR6560 which uses IPQ5322.

The following reviewer of Ruijie BE72 Pro says that Filogic 860 is not well optimized and still has got thermal issues. And the CPU (MT7998D, tri-core Arm Cortex A73 at 1.8GHz) performance can not beat the older Filogic 830 CPU MT7986AV/BV (quad-core Arm Cortex A53 at 1.8GHz) in the benchmarking test. Let's see if further optimization will make it better.

I will be quite interested in future Filogic 880 based higher end China WiFi 7 routers. It is interesting that there are not many existing adopters for the internation models with 6GHz support (seems only TP-Link Archer 805 is using it). Banana Pi BPi-R4 is using it but that is not exactly a consumer router but rather a development board.



The same reviewer also has a comparison of Xiaomi BE3600 vs Xiaomi BE5000.

It sounded so similar but yeah IPQ5312 is miles ahead of the AN7563.
There were flags brought up about IPQ5322 used in the XM BE6500 and that the cooling is subpar for a Xiaomi where their usual modus operandi is to go overkill on cooling but the XM BE6500 lacks that despite having a power hungry solution (The 7DR6560 feels warmer than my 7DR7260)

As for the BE72 Pro i very much suspect its because it's barely got anything you would call a heatsink. Even if its made on N6, A73 needs power for its wings to fly although it will definitely be more efficient than IPA5322

Wow, you really have a lot of routers.

Xiaomi AX6000 indeed has very good coverage as per the reports. So it can function as a good AP.

For Xiaomi AX3600 and Xiaomi AX9000 (IPQ807x), the stock OpenWRT does not seem to have very good performance -- so indeed it is easier to run stock FW. But there is an alternative build which enables Qualcomm NSS.
https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/2858

Ruijie BE72 Pro (MediaTek Filogic 860) has got very good review from 知电晓春哥 and current ranks #1 in the overall ranking of China WiFi 7 routers by 知电, let's see how TL-7DR7230/7260 can be in the top 5 list of not.

Hahahaha... I sold a few already
Everytime I bought 7DR5130 it went out to someone else. The AX6000 went to my friend who's ASUS router expired in smoke show (common theme and also rebooting at night due to overheating from person experience)

I was only getting 500-600 even when standing next to the AX9000 on OWRT, then i switched back to xiaomi firmware and i got 800 about 5m away
Given it was hell to setup OWRT i'm alright staying on XM firmware, besides, I'm switching to the 7DR7260s (1 for 5G lower band and one for 5G upper band in different locations) so it will now be my spare AP
Since my router is a Erying 11980HK on Opnsense connected over fiber to TP Link ST1008F to my PC and a Mercury TL-SE109 (also tied to one end of the house is a Xike SKS1200-8GPY2XF)

 

[gundamkitten]

Erm...

pardon me, this photo makes me curious. What router brand and model is this?

 

[gundamkitten]

This one is interesting. We should see cheaper USB dongles from other vendors later.
*****************
MSI was also showing off the BE6500 WiFi 7 USB adapter which is a tri-band dongle and the first of its kind that we've seen. It supports speeds of up to 2880 Mbps on the 6 and 5 GHz bands and 688 Mbps on the 2.4 GHz band, assuming you have a suitable WiFi 7 router or access point.

https://www.techpowerup.com/323191/...roamii-mesh-systems-and-wifi-7-usb-dongle?amp

The report also mentioned the WiFi 7 mesh solution from MSI.

Whether for market size or regulatory reasons, we just get less models available in Singapore.

For example, TP-Link Archer "TXE70UH AXE5400 Wi-Fi 6E High Gain Wireless USB Adapter" is not available at stores in Singapore, so when my hands got itchy I purchased it via Amazon dot com (I don't post photo cos this thread is for Wifi 7.)

MSI has a "RadiX AXE6600 WiFi 6E Tri-Band Gaming Router (GRAXE66)" available in the USA and EU markets, which I also itchy hands when browsing Amazon dot com.

MSI has for Wifi 6E adapter the "AXE5400 WiFi USB Adapter (GUAXE54)", so far I resist itchy hands cos I don't need it right, right?

Anyway I really dunno whether we will see the MSI Wifi 7 USB adapter nor the MSI Wifi 7 mesh router models.

TP-Link announced back in Jan 2024 "Archer TBE400UH BE6500 Wi-Fi 7 High Gain Wireless USB Adapter", and it's listed on the USA site but I won't hold out hopes for SG appearance anytime soon?

 

[xiaofan]

pardon me, this photo makes me curious. What router brand and model is this?

Looks like the TP-Link China WiFi 7 router TL-7DR7260 (BE7200 rated, 2.4GHz 1376Mbps, 5GHz 5765Mbps, no 6GHz band), MediaTek Filogic 860 platform with 5 2.5G ports.
https://www.tp-link.com.cn/product_3433.html

 

[MrClubbie]

Looks like the TP-Link China WiFi 7 router TL-7DR7260 (BE7200 rated, 2.4GHz 1376Mbps, 5GHz 5765Mbps, no 6GHz band), MediaTek Filogic 860 platform with 5 2.5G ports.
https://www.tp-link.com.cn/product_3433.html

y doesn't china wifi 7 support 320mhz channel bandwidth?

 

[xiaofan]

y doesn't china wifi 7 support 320mhz channel bandwidth?

China WiFI 7 routers: no support of 6GHz, no support of 320MHz channel bandwidth.
Other WiFi 7 features are supported: 4096 QAM, MLO, MRU, Preamble-punctruing.