working Singtel Vlan Settings with TPLink SG108E

[xiaofan]

Just tried this with my TL-SG105E this morning.

Internet works very well.
Port 1 -- connect to Singtel ZTE ONT
Port 2 -- Asus RT-AX82U with public IP 1
Port 3 -- pfSense with public IP 2
Port 5 -- Singtel Mesh router with public IP 3

However, Singtel TV box does not work on Port 4. It is very strange. I have also tried to connect it to Singtel Mesh Router on port 5 and it does not work either.

Singtel TV box works okay if I use Singtel Mesh Router or Asus RT-AX82U (with Singtel-others VLAN profile).

Just want to add: I tried both ways, Port 4 tagged or untagged, both are not working.

port 4 for singtel tv must be tagged, not untagged.

Some of the reports seem to indicate both tagged and untagged are needed. However, those two reports are with pfSense so I am not so sure if that is true or not.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...1-setting-up-internet-and-mio-tv-8474af46edcc

 

[renfred89]

Edit to add: I tried both ways, Port 4 tagged or untagged, both are not working.


Some of the reports seem to indicate both tagged and untagged are needed. However, those two reports are with pfSense so I am not so sure if that is true or not.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...1-setting-up-internet-and-mio-tv-8474af46edcc

enabled IGMP snooping?

 

[xiaofan]

enabled IGMP snooping?

Disabled now. I will try enable.

 

[TanKianW]

I have a short write up reply on the tplink smart switch vlan set up on this forum. Not sure if it is still around. You can try if it works.

 

[xiaofan]

enabled IGMP snooping?

Disabled now. I will try enable.

I have tried all 4 combination: enable/disable IGMP Snooping, tag/untag Port 4, none of them works.

So I guess there are some changes from SingTel side which prevents this working settings from working properly.

More info: I am using the relatively new ZTE ONT (changed in Sept 2018, was using Ericsson ONT before).

Other notable symptom: IPTV LED on the ZTE ONT is not ON.

 

[xiaofan]

I have a short write up reply on the tplink smart switch vlan set up on this forum. Not sure if it is still around. You can try if it works.

Maybe this one.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...hub-iptv-switched-network-help-5143406-8.html

I will try to set default PVID for Port 4 as well.

If my memory serve me well, the upstream with specific VLANs coming down to the Tp-link switch, you need to tag, if not that traffic will not come down.

If the downstream you set PVID for that particular port, it will only go downstream with that VLAN.

If you untag that port with that VLAN, PVID kept at default, the downstream will be a mixed traffic of default and set VLANs.

Mikrotik and Ubiquiti/Unifi switches will be slightly different.

 

[xiaofan]

I was thinking that connecting the SingTel TV box to SingTel Mesh Router in Port 5 (supposed to be passthrough interface) should work and I was puzzled why it didn't.

So I shut down the Singtel TV box again and powered it up again. Finally this worked.

Now at least I have one working solution.

Next I will try to see how to make Port 4 working.

 

[renfred89]

I have tried all 4 combination: enable/disable IGMP Snooping, tag/untag Port 4, none of them works.

So I guess there are some changes from SingTel side which prevents this working settings from working properly.

More info: I am using the relatively new ZTE ONT (changed in Sept 2018, was using Ericsson ONT before).

Other notable symptom: IPTV LED on the ZTE ONT is not ON.

Any screenshot of your configuration?

 

[xiaofan]

Maybe this one.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...hub-iptv-switched-network-help-5143406-8.html

I will try to set default PVID for Port 4 as well.

Unfortunately this does not work either.

 

[xiaofan]

Any screenshot of your configuration?

I will try further later and post my screenshot. It is pretty much the same as what Miloaisdino posted. Currently the only difference is IGMP Snooping enabled (others things are the same with Port 4 untagged and PVID=20). But I have tried different combinations on Port 4 (tag or untagged, PVID=20 or PVID=1). Maybe I mess up something along the way and I may be impatient in following the proper process (shut down the TV box for 2minutes and then power up again).

Anyway, I am actually happy with my current configuration. The good thing of using Singtel Mesh Router (or other Singtel issued router) is that extra function like Netflix, Stingray Music (ch8xx) and Singtel TV Go remote pair will work.

TP-Link TL-SG105E smart switch
Port 1 -- connect to Singtel ZTE ONT (Default VLAN 1)

Port 2 -- Asus RT-AX82U with public IP 1 (VLAN 10, untagged, PVID=10), or I can leave this unused if I move the RT-AX82U to the pfsense side as an AP.

Port 3 -- pfSense with public IP 2 (VLAN 10, untagged, PVID=10)

Port 4 -- meant for Singtel TV box (VLAN 20, untagged or tagged, PVID=20 or 1), not working, unused now.

Port 5 -- Singtel Mesh router with public IP 3 -- Singtel TV Box and Xbox One S (default VLAN 1, passthrough)

 

[xiaofan]

A lot of good info here. This is for Ubiquiti but it has quite some good info.

https://community.ui.com/questions/...me-fiber/b20170fe-d938-4158-bab2-b68a4fe0dae7

https://community.ui.com/questions/...Devices-/8e00582f-3c75-4815-983f-a5c7fd0aad2c

The expert di3 mentioned two problems if using switch.
1) no control over the security (as the switch, is a switch)
2) Netflix is not working so, as this need an IP using internet and not the TV over IP network (the set top box have 2 IP, one on the VLAN 20, and one on the internet VLAN (VLAN 0), and they get 2 IPs :
a) one for the TV over IP traffic
b) one for the application, like Netflix or Stingray Music.

From Singtel ONR AP thread. Third part routers do not support Netflix, Stingray Music and SingTel TV Go remote pairing either, as of now, because they do not implement the trick inside Singtel issued routers.

Part of the reason why singtel force us to use onr now is that certain "services" on the mio stb do not work solely on vlan20 anymore, eg stingray music, netflix and probably many more to come. What the singtel provided ap does (ont days) is to assign a special address to your mio stb (typically 192.168.1.196) and static route all multicast, igmp and dns traffic destined for vlan20 while allowing internet traffic to enter vlan10 (netflix), all while being natted into the same subnet as your other devices (for the remote control feature of the singtel tv go app). 3rd party routers simply mapped lan ports to vlan20 on the wan trunk, causing these value added services not to work as mio stbs were assigned 'public' ips from singtel. So singtel came up with a sneaky solution -- the onr..

 

[xiaofan]

Even though I can not get the SingTel TV box working with the switch yet. Still I like the passthrough port (Port 5) which works well with either my Singtel Mesh Router or my Asus RT-AX82U (with Singtel VLAN profile). SingTel TV box works with the two routers too in this case..

With the trick from this thread, SingTel ONT users can easily get multiple public IPs (multiple networks). I have checked both IPv4 and IPv6 (6rd) work in this case.

For me it is good for my pfSense testing too. One network is for the family (using RT-AX82U on Port 5 with SingTel TV box), and the other network is for me to play with pfSense (using Singtel Mesh Router as an AP).

 

[neomages]

With the trick from this thread, SingTel ONT users can easily get multiple public IPs (multiple networks). I have checked both IPv4 and IPv6 (6rd) work in this case.

Bro, so your are saying that if i plug 2 different routers to the internet vlan on the switch, each router will have its own public IP?

 

[xiaofan]

Bro, so your are saying that if i plug 2 different routers to the internet vlan on the switch, each router will have its own public IP?

Yes that is correct. Only for SingTel ONT users.

In the mentioned configurations, you can connect two routers to Port 2 and 3 (no VLAN settings on the routers) and get two public IP addresses. Then you can connect another router to Port 5 (with SingTel VLAN settings) to get the third public IP address.

If you do not need Singtel TV, then you can change Port 4 to untagged VLAN 10 and connect one more router.

Technically you may be able to get more if you use TP-Link TL-SG108E.

But probably it is not that useful to have more than 3 public IP addresses (3 separate networks).

 

[neomages]

Yes that is correct. Only for SingTel ONT users.

In the mentioned configurations, you can connect two routers to Port 2 and 3 (no VLAN settings on the routers) and get two public IP addresses. Then you can connect another router to Port 5 (with SingTel VLAN settings) to get the third public IP address.

If you do not need Singtel TV, then you can change Port 4 to untagged VLAN 10 and connect one more router.

Technically you may be able to get more if you use TP-Link TL-SG108E.

But probably it is not that useful to have more than 3 public IP addresses (3 separate networks).

Bandwidth wise, any impact?

 

[xiaofan]

Bandwidth wise, any impact?

No impact based on testing. You will still get near 1Gbps on wired (my particular case is about 940Mbps download and 900Mbps upload without the TL-SG105E, I did not do too detailed test with the TL-SG105E using wired, but the speed seems to be similar). I will carry out more tests and report later.

But do not expect to get above 1Gbps combined speed with this trick if you test with two clients connected to two routers, as the total bandwidth is still 1Gbps.

 

[neomages]

No impact based on testing. You will still get near 1Gbps on wired (my particular case is about 940Mbps download and 900Mbps upload without the TL-SG105E, I did not do too detailed test with the TL-SG105E using wired, but the speed seems to be similar). I will carry out more tests and report later.

But do not expect to get above 1Gbps combined speed with this trick if you test with two clients connected to two routers, as the total bandwidth is still 1Gbps.

If this work i can split network for different purposes. Haha

 

[xiaofan]

Speedtest with an Acer Laptop (Dec 2017) with a Ugreen Gigabit Ethernet adapter, Singtel SpeedTest server. The wired speed test results are as per expectation.

pfsense side (Celeron J4105 based mini PC) with public IP 1.

Asus RT-AX82U side, with public IP 2.

 

[neomages]

Gonna test with Ubiquiti unifi switch with this. not sure if it works. If it cant then have to get the tp link switch to test.

 

[xiaofan]

Gonna test with Ubiquiti unifi switch with this. not sure if it works. If it cant then have to get the tp link switch to test.

Unifi switch should be able to do it as it is more advanced than the low end TP-Link. Please refer to the second link mentioned in my post to the ubiquiti thread.

Reference for Singtel ONT users who want to get Singtel TV working.
https://community.ui.com/questions/.../b20170fe-d938-4158-bab2-b68a4fe0dae7?page=11

From the expert there, it seems indeed UDM may be more difficult to get it work.

Another one:
https://community.ui.com/questions/...-/8e00582f-3c75-4815-983f-a5c7fd0aad2c?page=2