YTD 2025 Networth tracking thread

wutawa

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A little over a million saved up over 16 years.
Just to qualify, I did not make $1.1m profit YTD from a $1m portfolio.
I made $1m profit in 2024 as well
U said your capital is $1m? I tot it is your stocks capital. Anyway it is a great achievement to gain $1m profit every year, regardless realised or not. Definitely qualified to be a super investor
 

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U said your capital is $1m? I tot it is your stocks capital. Anyway it is a great achievement to gain $1m profit every year, regardless realised or not. Definitely qualified to be a super investor
The other guy was asking for my capital outlay. So that's how much I have put into the stock market.

Capital outlay refers to the funds allocated for acquiring and maintaining the long-term assets, often referred to as CapEx, or capital expenditures.
 

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The other guy was asking for my capital outlay. So that's how much I have put into the stock market.

Capital outlay refers to the funds allocated for acquiring and maintaining the long-term assets, often referred to as CapEx, or capital expenditures.
What do u invest in? Equities only or use options?
 

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The other guy was asking for my capital outlay. So that's how much I have put into the stock market.

Capital outlay refers to the funds allocated for acquiring and maintaining the long-term assets, often referred to as CapEx, or capital expenditures.
Sorry, I don't understand your explanation.

How much did you put in to earn $1m in 2024? Did you get roughly 100% annualised return every year?
 

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Just to qualify, I did not make $1.1m profit YTD from a $1m portfolio.
I made $1m profit in 2024 as well
That's why, it is better to include the % return (time-weighted) per year or YTD, because everyone is now wondering about the % return.
 
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That's impressive, equities only can profit 1M for past 2 years! So your portfolio size is at last 3M+ now.

Do u trade or just buy and hold like the Broadcom guy?
Able to share which counters drove your gains for past 2 years?
I buy and hold. There are 45 counters currently in my portfolio. Did not monitor how individual stock affect the overall gains.
 
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That's why, it is better to include the % return (time-weighted) per year or YTD, because everyone is now wondering about the % return.
Time weighted return is a "scam" that the finance industry uses to justify the impact of a fund manager on the performance of an investment. It tends to be higher than money weighted returns, which is the real reason why it is often used by professional portfolio managers. In fact this is the industry standard.

Money weighted return is a better measurement of one's acuity in their investment decisions.

YearXIRR (Money weighted return)
200971.41%
201061.49%
201113.57%
201244.14%
201347.85%
201429.14%
201517.94%
201619.85%
201731.39%
2018-7.90%
201928.98%
202010.48%
2021124.52%
2022-17.19%
2023-25.99%
202426.96%
202518.99% (YTD)
 
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Time weighted return is a "scam" that the finance industry uses to justify the impact of a fund manager on the performance of an investment. It tendsw to be higher than money weighted returns, which is the real reason why it is often used by professional portfolio managers. In fact this is the industry standard.

Money weighted return is a better measurement of one's acuity in their investment decisions.

YearXIRR (Money weighted return)
200971.41%
201061.49%
201113.57%
201244.14%
201347.85%
201429.14%
201517.94%
201619.85%
201731.39%
2018-7.90%
201928.98%
202010.48%
2021124.52%
2022-17.19%
2023-25.99%
202426.96%
202518.99% (YTD)
so u started investing in US market post GFC?
*Golden Era todate and u siam the worst period 2000-2008

I guess u are in yr 40s rn.
 

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so u started investing in US market post GFC?
*Golden Era todate and u siam the worst period 2000-2008

I guess u are in yr 40s rn.
I think you must be feeling real old now!

Time weighted return is a "scam" that the finance industry uses to justify the impact of a fund manager on the performance of an investment. It tends to be higher than money weighted returns, which is the real reason why it is often used by professional portfolio managers. In fact this is the industry standard.

Money weighted return is a better measurement of one's acuity in their investment decisions.

YearXIRR (Money weighted return)
200971.41%
201061.49%
201113.57%
201244.14%
201347.85%
201429.14%
201517.94%
201619.85%
201731.39%
2018-7.90%
201928.98%
202010.48%
2021124.52%
2022-17.19%
2023-25.99%
202426.96%
202518.99% (YTD)

For retail investors, there are two different scenarios:
1. Accumulation mode: Always adding money (or net addition), because haven't retired
XIRR (MWR) > TWR
Here, one can "cheat" for higher performance with XIRR by adding more borrowed money from outside and then cash out the same amount but leaving profits behind. So now the profits inflate the XIRR return ratio. TWR won't reflect this. Trading gurus who want to promote their track record do this to con their followers. They usually earn more from course fees, which get deposited into the portfolio.

2. Retirement mode: Always taking out money, because got no more high-paying job
TWR > XIRR (MWR)
Here, one "cheats" for higher performance by withdrawing money halfway to the make capital "smaller". The TWR calculates return with denominator that is smaller, so it always give higher number than XIRR return. Those participating in trading competitions with own accounts often do this withdrawal mid-way to boost ranking (The famous trader Mark Minervini did this in USIC).

If you haven't retired, then you'll be in the Mode 1. Mine is in Mode 2 (semi-retirement).
So my TWR is 40% YTD right now, but I have a withdrawal target rate of around 10% to 20% (varies, depends on whether I go for overseas holidays), so my net MWR returns is about 20% to 30% YTD.

So, it really depends on what you want to do with the return number. If you tell me yours is XIRR, that means you're still in Mode 1, which should match your younger age?
 
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I think you must be feeling real old now!



For retail investors, there are two different scenarios:
1. Accumulation mode: Always adding money (or net addition), because haven't retired
XIRR > TWR
Here, one can "cheat" for higher performance with XIRR by adding more borrowed money from outside and then cash out the same amount but leaving profits behind. So now the profits inflate the XIRR return ratio. TWR won't reflect this. Trading gurus who want to promote their track record do this to con their followers. They usually earn more from course fees, which get deposited into the portfolio.

2. Retirement mode: Always taking out money, because got no more high-paying job
TWR > XIRR
Here, one "cheats" for higher performance by withdrawing money halfway to the make capital "smaller". The TWR calculates return with denominator that is smaller, so it always give higher number than XIRR return. Those participating in trading competitions with own accounts often do this withdrawal mid-way to boost ranking (The famous trader Mark Minervini did this in USIC).

If you haven't retired, then you'll be in the Mode 1. Mine is in Mode 2 (semi-retirement).
So my TWR is 40% YTD right now, but I have a withdrawal target rate of around 10% to 20% (varies, depends on whether I go for overseas holidays), so my net MWR returns is about 20% to 30% YTD.

So, it really depends on what you want to do with the return number. If you tell me yours is XIRR, that means you're still in Mode 1, which should match your younger age?
Chim for me
But look #wisdom
 

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Chim for me
But look #wisdom
Me agar agar catch some ball :s13:

I never bother to keep track performance…..and duno how to do it accurately because i also got alternative assets.

*i do have paid StockCafe for the main purpose of tabulating/projecting next 12 mths dividends.
The rest of the figure like xirr js ignore :s13:
 

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Me agar agar catch some ball :s13:

I never bother to keep track performance…..and duno how to do it accurately because i also got alternative assets.

*i do have paid StockCafe for the main purpose of tabulating/projecting next 12 mths dividends.
The rest of the figure like xirr js ignore :s13:
As long as both MWR and TWR exceed benchmark (SP500 or QQQ) is good enough.

I addressed this here (double-edged sword):
Cumulative return should be TWR, not MWR (default setting in IBKR).

So whether money is pumped in or not, can be double-edged sword:
  • TWR < benchmark if bad decisions are made,
  • TWR > benchmark if good decisions are made.
Since Adam Khoo's cumulative TWR (dark blue line 180%) > benchmark (SPX, green line 120%), that's basically good performance.

The return has to be judged in a context as mentioned above, cannot be judged in isolation.

After long and deep thought, I realise the below:

Regarding the peak value in 2021, he mainly add or rotates between holdings and don't go 100% cash at all, then it means he will NEVER realise the full value of the portfolio as cash in 2021.

So for this strategy of staying forever invested in markets, where supposedly it incurs less opportunity cost than buying and selling frequently (trading), the start and end point for evaluation has to be very long, i.e. decades. Example would be: start work and invest at 25 years old, retire at 55 years old (total: 30 years).

Then peak portfolio values in between actually don't really matter. Hence, it is fruitless for me to point out that the drawdown in 2022 is as large as the profits gained from Covid bubble since it will never become cash.
@d5dude, any comments about this as you are also doing something like this, staying fully invested while rotating between different assets?
 
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As long as both MWR and TWR > benchmark (SP500 or QQQ) is good enough.

I addressed this here (double-edged sword):
I only focus on next 12mths dividends+bonds/cash interest+nett rental income (at my stage of life)

BTC, Gold etc prices up up also don’t bother….
If crashing down, btfd :s13:
 
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