Proposal Ring - Part 3

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Went down to JP on 6/4/19

This is my personal experience with JP ytd.

Everything was kind of pleasant and was quoted $1.75k for 2 0.32ct diamond and $1.95k for an 0.35ct E vs1 diamond. We decided to get the 0.35 one and proceed to make payment for it.

However, after the sales rep returned and informed us that she quoted us the wrong price. The diamond we chose is supposed to be $2.15k. Please bear in mind that when she returned, she has already deducted the $500 deposit. Maybe i was overthinking but it did make me feel uncomfortable (They mark it up last minute or to make me take a diamond with a lesser ct for the same price - Doesn't matter anyway, can't back out now since they deducted the $500 deposit ). Did anyone encounter similar experience when dealing with them? Or is my experience an one-off incident?
 

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This is my personal experience with JP ytd.

Everything was kind of pleasant and was quoted $1.75k for 2 0.32ct diamond and $1.95k for an 0.35ct E vs1 diamond. We decided to get the 0.35 one and proceed to make payment for it.

However, after the sales rep returned and informed us that she quoted us the wrong price. The diamond we chose is supposed to be $2.15k. Please bear in mind that when she returned, she has already deducted the $500 deposit. Maybe i was overthinking but it did make me feel uncomfortable (They mark it up last minute or to make me take a diamond with a lesser ct for the same price - Doesn't matter anyway, can't back out now since they deducted the $500 deposit ). Did anyone encounter similar experience when dealing with them? Or is my experience an one-off incident?

Probably an uncommon mistake by their sales rep, anyway for such scenario if you’re really uncomfortable, I’m sure u could request to get back $500 deposit back and leaves the store since I’ve heard somebody actually get a free upgrade when one of the staff accidentally sold a reserved diamond years ago if I’m not wrong. Their CS are top notch for sure.
 

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I would feel uncomfortable too. Email them about the situation and see if they can work something out. :)

This is my personal experience with JP ytd.

Everything was kind of pleasant and was quoted $1.75k for 2 0.32ct diamond and $1.95k for an 0.35ct E vs1 diamond. We decided to get the 0.35 one and proceed to make payment for it.

However, after the sales rep returned and informed us that she quoted us the wrong price. The diamond we chose is supposed to be $2.15k. Please bear in mind that when she returned, she has already deducted the $500 deposit. Maybe i was overthinking but it did make me feel uncomfortable (They mark it up last minute or to make me take a diamond with a lesser ct for the same price - Doesn't matter anyway, can't back out now since they deducted the $500 deposit ). Did anyone encounter similar experience when dealing with them? Or is my experience an one-off incident?
 

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This is my personal experience with JP ytd.

Everything was kind of pleasant and was quoted $1.75k for 2 0.32ct diamond and $1.95k for an 0.35ct E vs1 diamond. We decided to get the 0.35 one and proceed to make payment for it.

However, after the sales rep returned and informed us that she quoted us the wrong price. The diamond we chose is supposed to be $2.15k. Please bear in mind that when she returned, she has already deducted the $500 deposit. Maybe i was overthinking but it did make me feel uncomfortable (They mark it up last minute or to make me take a diamond with a lesser ct for the same price - Doesn't matter anyway, can't back out now since they deducted the $500 deposit ). Did anyone encounter similar experience when dealing with them? Or is my experience an one-off incident?

The price includes the setting right?
0.32 carat got price error anot? or it's just the 0.35 carat?
 

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Crafted by Infinity has brick and mortar shops in the UK, Finland, Belgium and Ireland that carry their stones.
The assumption is of course, if u carry superideal stones, u shouldn’t really carry too much crappy stones as the superideal clearly stands out. No harm checking if they have access to a cushion.


Thank you so much, it helps my peace mind! No cushions on the website, prices are comparable to JP superideals (+-10%, based on the forum only) and the nearest store is very far away. So I'm happy with my JP decision for now :)
 

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Hi! I just went shopping around and walked into H0H. Intending to propose end year.

0.68CT VS2, Colour E, Triple Excellent with None Fluorescence, Clarity Character of Crystal & Feather. All in at 6,350. Is the price ok? Assuming all scopes look ok. It is an Ideal Cut.

Just want to have a peace of mind of not getting carrot. LOL!! Help plssss :s12: thanks!!!

aside from HOH did u check with other retail stores to get a few quotes as well?

a quick check online and u should be able to find a few prices for comparison and know if u getting carrot or not.

0.63ct, E color, VS2 clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $3,576
https://www.michaeltrio.com/diamondproduct/index/view/sn/VD1248687

0.71ct, D color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $3,506
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4045409.htm

0.67ct, E Color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $2,876
https://luxiee.com/view-description/957316744791

0.65ct, E Color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $2,924
https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
 

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I see. Noted that information.
I'll check with Whiteflash if these reports (together with the official AGS certificate) will come with the diamond purchase.

In their email, they stated and confirmed that the diamond is completely eye-clean (no visible inclusions to the unaided eye). Probably can trust them for that.

Just some final questions;
1) Other than the SGD Wire Price, what additional charges do I have to consider buying from Whiteflash online? I know there is a 7% GST payable when the item reaches SG. How about courier charges?

2) Should I have the diamond set in SG, can you recommend some of the reputable jewellers that is able to do it at a good price? What is the average costs for a basic solitaire setting (no side diamonds, etc)?



the last i recalled there is a service fee of 1.5% - 2% by the courier service. this is for the GST they paid up front on behalf of u when it arrives SG.

there are many retail chains in SG that sell basic solitaire setting. prices differ for each brand. prices starting 400 or 500 up. if u want to personalise them can go lucky plaza or far east plaza there are a few craftman that does ring setting and engraving.
 

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@DiamondLife you mentioned that you work in the diamond industry, yet I was curious if these are the stones u would recommend?

Someone went HOH and got a quote for $6k+ and asked if got carrot, while u posted seemingly similar specs at almost half price for $3-3.5k

But are the stones of similar quality?

You mentioned checking with retail stores, yet all your suggested links are stones from drop shippers and virtual inventory.

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1. The ship date for this is end of May.
The stone is deep. 62.5 depth.

2. Would u buy a stone with a GIA report with no inclusion plot?

3. Stone is in India with non-complementary angles

4. Deep stone. 62.8 depth. Have u seen a deep stone with good optics? Yes there are but few...

Here’s a vetted stone from Whiteflash that’s a fairer comparison
0.71 D VS2, sgd$ 6070 (gst, delivered)
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4063416.htm

aside from HOH did u check with other retail stores to get a few quotes as well?

a quick check online and u should be able to find a few prices for comparison and know if u getting carrot or not.

0.63ct, E color, VS2 clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $3,576
https://www.michaeltrio.com/diamondproduct/index/view/sn/VD1248687

0.71ct, D color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $3,506
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4045409.htm

0.67ct, E Color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $2,876
https://luxiee.com/view-description/957316744791

0.65ct, E Color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $2,924
https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
 

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@DiamondLife you mentioned that you work in the diamond industry, yet I was curious if these are the stones u would recommend?

Someone went HOH and got a quote for $6k+ and asked if got carrot, while u posted seemingly similar specs at almost half price for $3-3.5k

But are the stones of similar quality?

You mentioned checking with retail stores, yet all your suggested links are stones from drop shippers and virtual inventory.

1. The ship date for this is end of May.
The stone is deep. 62.5 depth.

2. Would u buy a stone with a GIA report with no inclusion plot?

3. Stone is in India with non-complementary angles

4. Deep stone. 62.8 depth. Have u seen a deep stone with good optics? Yes there are but few...

Here’s a vetted stone from Whiteflash that’s a fairer comparison
0.71 D VS2, sgd$ 6070 (gst, delivered)
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4063416.htm

Hi @miltah, I take it at face value of the diamond specs given by HOH without any measurement or more detailed information. Therefore diamonds given are based on the budget and GIA specs there are available out there on different sites. Even dropshippers are able to provide good quality stones if u do the necessary research not just retail stores.

If detailed specs is his priority, then the diamond u mentioned would be good, but if based on budget wise then there would be other options available. Each individual has their own priority especially when it comes to a big event like wedding and every cent counts toward the final goal. A few thousands more might be negligible to some, but goes a long way for others.
 
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I would disagree with your points. Cut is perhaps the most important aspect of a stone. The last thing u want is to wear a dud. While dropshippers can have great stones, the ones u highlighted does not appear to be the case.

I’m always in favour of online purchase. Here you have 2 very good stones, with scope images and complementary angles. Take the SI1 stone for example. Try finding one that is as clean on the clarity plot on bluenile. Yet both those options already save you over a thousand ...

0.62 E VS2 $4340 (gst included, delivered)
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/.../0.624-e-vs2-round-diamond-bkags-104101026048

0.69 D SI1 $4063
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/.../0.690-d-si1-round-diamond-ags-c-104104774028


Hi @miltah, I take it at face value of the diamond specs given by HOH without any measurement or more detailed information. Therefore diamonds given are based on the budget and GIA specs there are available out there on different sites. Even dropshippers are able to provide good quality stones if u do the necessary research not just retail stores.

If detailed specs is his priority, then the diamond u mentioned would be good, but if based on budget wise then there would be other options available. Each individual has their own priority especially when it comes to a big event like wedding and every cent counts toward the final goal. A few thousands more might be negligible to some, but goes a long way for others.
 
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aside from HOH did u check with other retail stores to get a few quotes as well?

a quick check online and u should be able to find a few prices for comparison and know if u getting carrot or not.

0.63ct, E color, VS2 clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $3,576
https://www.michaeltrio.com/diamondproduct/index/view/sn/VD1248687

0.71ct, D color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $3,506
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4045409.htm

0.67ct, E Color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $2,876
https://luxiee.com/view-description/957316744791

0.65ct, E Color, VS2 Clarity, 3EX, Non, SGD $2,924
https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

I didnt compare. I read thru this forum and went down straight away with the budget and quality in mind. Thanks for the links, and they are in USD. Also just calculated that the HCA Score is 0.8.
I looked thru the pages and didnt manage to find any Ideal cut of 0.60 and above. Mostly ppl richer than me, buy the SIC ones. ☹️
 

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I would disagree with your points. Cut is perhaps the most important aspect of a stone. The last thing u want is to wear a dud. While dropshippers can have great stones, the ones u highlighted does not appear to be the case.

I’m always in favour of online purchase. Here you have 2 very good stones, with scope images and complementary angles. Take the SI1 stone for example. Try finding one that is as clean on the clarity plot on bluenile. Yet both those options already save you over a thousand ...

0.62 E VS2 $4340 (gst included, delivered)
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/.../0.624-e-vs2-round-diamond-bkags-104101026048

0.69 D SI1 $4063
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/.../0.690-d-si1-round-diamond-ags-c-104104774028

Great to have a 2nd opinion from u. and yes i totally agree cut is one of the most important aspect when looking out for a diamond.

By claiming these companies as dropshippers is not true. There is a much deeper context in how these companies operated.

Bluenile (Overseas) and Whiteflash (Overseas) have 3 types of inventory. First type is an exclusive inventory whereby the diamonds listed on their website is only to them. These diamonds cannot appear in other websites. Depending on their agreement, it can be regional or worldwide. The second type is a non-exclusive inventory whereby these diamonds can appear on their website and on others as well, so there maybe times u can find the same diamond (GIA certificate number) in multiple websites but different price. Lastly, they do keep stock of their own diamond inventory to stock up for their retail stores and that is also shared on their website.

Luxiee (SG) does not hold any inventory. They claim to be a marketplace that connects diamond suppliers directly with consumers which eliminates extra middle-men costs. As such, their inventory is non-exclusive, which means that a diamond found on other websites can be tagged with a different price on theirs.

Michael Trio (SG) have 2 types of inventory. First is a non-exclusive inventory whereby these diamonds can appear on their website and on others as well and the next is their own diamond inventory as they too have retail shop in SG. They also have an export division named Royal King that manufacture and supplies jewellery wholesale.

The diamond u found is a AGS certificate. GIA diamonds that are below 1.00ct are usually dossier certificates which does not include the clarity plot (sometimes the diamond may have it depending on whether the supplier or retail requested for the big or small certificate)

GIA and AGS color and clarity grading standards differ. Also, AGS diamonds are always priced cheaper as they are not as widely traded / accepted internationally compared to GIA. reason being so is due to the strict criteria standards set out by GIA Therefore to say savings thousand when they are not the same product is not true.
 

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I didnt compare. I read thru this forum and went down straight away with the budget and quality in mind. Thanks for the links, and they are in USD. Also just calculated that the HCA Score is 0.8.
I looked thru the pages and didnt manage to find any Ideal cut of 0.60 and above. Mostly ppl richer than me, buy the SIC ones. ☹️

oh my bad. the Whiteflash one in USD but the rest Bluenile, Luxiee and Michael Trio is in SGD though.

0.60ct E color VS2 3EX Non SGD $2,934 HCA 1.6
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

0.60ct E color VS2 3EX Non SGD $2,962 HCA 0.9
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

0.64ct E color VS2 3EX Non SGD $2,634 HCA 1.4
https://luxiee.com/view-description/922306801627

0.63ct E color VS2 3EX Non SGD $2,593 HCA 1.6
https://luxiee.com/view-description/921318121777

i assume u are using credit card as payment mode but wire transfer still got further discount on them.

how to define rich? as long as make sure don't kana carrot and stay humble can liao. rich in the heart, not material :)
 

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Great to have a 2nd opinion from u. and yes i totally agree cut is one of the most important aspect when looking out for a diamond.

GIA and AGS color and clarity grading standards differ. Also, AGS diamonds are always priced cheaper as they are not as widely traded / accepted internationally compared to GIA. reason being so is due to the strict criteria standards set out by GIA Therefore to say savings thousand when they are not the same product is not true.

Here’s what we agree. Cut is the most important aspect.

Yet for all the stones you listed, there is no way in which u are able to tell the cut or quality of the stone. In fact, their proportions are off and deep.
And that’s the key difference between a vetted in house stone vs dropshippers. If the poster was really keen, other posters have chimed in previously that HOH/JP can also call the same stone in, possibly cheaper.

Take this stone from encharted diamonds, it can have the right proportions, score well on HCA yet have light leakage under the table.

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Your last statement is intriguing. How is the product not the same? The stone or product is exactly the same, the difference is only the cert. I could have a AGS certed stone send to GIA (for $300 if I’m not wrong), if I really want double certs. So at the end of the day, would you prefer a well cut AGS cert stone or a GIA cert.

The only time your scenario will hold true is when or if the persons decides to sell the stone and GIA re-certified the stone at a lower color or clarity. Again that’s if we talking about selling
 
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Here’s what we agree. Cut is the most important aspect.

Yet for all the stones you listed, there is no way in which u are able to tell the cut or quality of the stone. In fact, their proportions are off and deep.
And that’s the key difference between a vetted in house stone vs dropshippers. If the poster was really keen, other posters have chimed in previously that HOH/JP can also call the same stone in, possibly cheaper.

Take this stone from encharted diamonds, it can have the right proportions, score well on HCA yet have light leakage under the table.

Your last statement is intriguing. How is the product not the same? The stone or product is exactly the same, the difference is only the cert. I could have a AGS certed stone send to GIA (for $300 if I’m not wrong), if I really want double certs. So at the end of the day, would you prefer a well cut AGS cert stone or a GIA cert.

The only time your scenario will hold true is when or if the persons decides to sell the stone and GIA re-certified the stone at a lower color or clarity. Again that’s if we talking about selling

once again the stone stated was without detailed information and was taken at face value. point stated doesn't constitute to the difference between house stone vs BN WF LX MT diamonds because at the end of the day, diamonds are still purchased off from diamond suppliers. it is a matter of who is willing to purchase and keep the diamonds in house.

by purchasing the stones to keep in house, a higher markup of the diamond is required due to:

- risk of diamond not being sold, which contributes to cash liquidity
- bank interest for holding the diamond
- overheads from branding, rent etc.
- sales commission to drive sales people to push for higher ticket items

diamonds that are exclusive cannot be called in by anyone until a stipulated time period is over (i've tried that before) and to sell a single diamond for cheaper is possible but not for multiple diamond due to the above reasons.

difference is in the certificate which as u mention will contribute to the cost of diamond. having 2 certificates is illogical as it will increase the cost of the diamond thus making it not feasible. so having GIA that is recognized worldwide is an assurance.

selling is a possibility as some people do upgrade their diamonds over time and also knowing the true value of the diamond without being a carroted is just as important.
 

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GIA only has 5 cut grades vs AGS 10 grades.

Heres a good example for u, a GIA triple excellent at 64.1 depth, yet it would only score 6/10 on AGS cut grade

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3 of the 4 stones u linked were deep. Show me a deep cut stone, depth more than 62% with good ASET

The reality is you can’t have everything for free. Of course a brick and mortar has more overheads, but I’m more than willing to pay a small premium to an online vendor to get a better quality stone than one I have no idea over ( yet still cheaper than a mortar shop)
 
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