I would keep the ticket. My rough calculation says it should be better using the current redemption rates. Even if it does break even, you cannot guarantee your same seats are still there when you refund and rebook.
Pretty much.
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I would keep the ticket. My rough calculation says it should be better using the current redemption rates. Even if it does break even, you cannot guarantee your same seats are still there when you refund and rebook.
Pretty much.
UA engine is pretty good.
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other question if from UA engine its shown available, is it possible Kris Flyer said that the flight is unavailable (different engine different availability ? )
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Yeap, I agree and will be keeping the tickets. I was thinking ahead as to whether to make more redemptions before the deadline but realise I cannot do it as I already got my June and Dec hols down. And next June is too far to be ticketed.
I wonder if its possible to make a dummy booking now to lock in the redemption rates and later amend the date to what I want in June 2018 or even Dec 2018 when those dates open up.
I wonder if its possible to make a dummy booking now to lock in the redemption rates and later amend the date to what I want in June 2018 or even Dec 2018 when those dates open up.
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I always thought it costs more miles on an absolute basis to redeem on Star Alliance partners using Krisflyer miles?
I dun see it in the FAQ too. Anyone know?
I am considering the book first n change date option too.
Yes but it's not due to a different engine. Some carriers may choose not to release certain flights to certain partners (SQ does this for all long haul premium cabins), so what can be booked on UA may or may not be booked on SQ. However, since it is not possible to book a partner award online, you would eventually have to call in. I'm only using UA engine to have a rough flight information, so that I can point the agent to my desired flight using the shortest time. Imagine you calling KF hotline and having to feed them your route+date+time+class, they go ahead with searching for flights that suit your schedule. Compare this with calling in and telling them "I want flight UA123 on 5 March in J", it's much faster.
I don't think so. Although not specifically mentioned in the FAQ, I believe you have to refund and rebook. I will give a call to KF tomorrow. However even if this was possible, there still exists the issue of waitlisting.
Not with the 'enhancements' to the program. In my previous example of the SIN-ARN flight, flying on SQ will cost you 170k and taxes, while flying on another SA carrier will cost you 160k + taxes + (potential YQ if the operating airline charges it). So for airlines that do not charge YQ, it is 10k cheaper to fly on a partner airline than on SQ itself.
Like I've posted elsewhere, going to TPE, might not be that bad of a change.
YQ is like S$326, or S$242 if booked as 2x oneway. The requirement is only less the 15% discount, or 8250 miles, works out to $0.03 per mile (for 2x oneway) or $0.04 per mile (for roundtrip) for these extra 8250 miles. Does work out better for those who "earn" the miles at $0.02 each (ie Citbank PM annual fee, $192 for 10k miles).
I believe it should be possible. Date changes are supposed to be free, whether they check on the mileage paid or not, is another matter. And as dahnoob has mentioned, waitlisting might be an issue. What you can do is to ticket first, then when your preferred dates open up, waitlist for them. When the preferred dates waitlist clears, call and ask for a date change. You will need the required number of miles to waitlist though.
YQ is like S$326, or S$242 if booked as 2x oneway. The requirement is only less the 15% discount, or 8250 miles, works out to $0.03 per mile (for 2x oneway) or $0.04 per mile (for roundtrip) for these extra 8250 miles. Does work out better for those who "earn" the miles at $0.02 each (ie Citbank PM annual fee, $192 for 10k miles).
I believe it should be possible. Date changes are supposed to be free, whether they check on the mileage paid or not, is another matter. And as dahnoob has mentioned, waitlisting might be an issue. What you can do is to ticket first, then when your preferred dates open up, waitlist for them. When the preferred dates waitlist clears, call and ask for a date change. You will need the required number of miles to waitlist though.
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The most affected routes are still long haul premium cabins. My suggestion would be to plan out all your travels from now till Mar 2018, compare the miles needed against YQ, and decide on a case by case basis which rate is better. Overall I'm pretty happy with the changes, although 53k extra miles for SQ25 suites is pretty painful
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Cannot.. i just got off the phone with Krisflyer hotline.. the ticket date can only be changed within 1 year of issue. For example date of issue is today.. u can only change the ticket date as far back as 28 feb 2018
Whats e fuel charge?
Just got off a call with a KF agent, and here's what I found out.
1. Date change. If the change only involves a change of date, there will be no further charges/recalculations for as long as the ticket is valid (1 year from issuance). If there is a date change after 1 year from issuance date, it has to be re-issued. In this case, the ticket will follow the new TNCs, any YQ paid will be refunded, and you are required to top up any miles difference.
2. Flight change. If there is a change in flight, but to the same destination and in the same cabin, point 1 applies. If there is a change in destination or cabin class, and you request it after 23Mar, new TNCs apply.
3. Upgrade. For upgrades on a paid ticket, any upgrades after 23Mar will not have the 15% discount, and nothing is refunded. For 'upgrades' on a redemption ticket, you are required to top up the miles difference, and any YQ paid will be refunded to you.
So nope, you cannot pre-book travel more than 1 year ahead and hope to change the date after the desired dates are open for booking. You can however speculate travel plans within 1 year, issue the ticket and make free date changes using old TNCs anytime.
1. Date change. If the change only involves a change of date, there will be no further charges/recalculations for as long as the ticket is valid (1 year from issuance). If there is a date change after 1 year from issuance date, it has to be re-issued. In this case, the ticket will follow the new TNCs, any YQ paid will be refunded, and you are required to top up any miles difference.
2. Flight change. If there is a change in flight, but to the same destination and in the same cabin, point 1 applies. If there is a change in destination or cabin class, and you request it after 23Mar, new TNCs apply.
3. Upgrade. For upgrades on a paid ticket, any upgrades after 23Mar will not have the 15% discount, and nothing is refunded. For 'upgrades' on a redemption ticket, you are required to top up the miles difference, and any YQ paid will be refunded to you.
So nope, you cannot pre-book travel more than 1 year ahead and hope to change the date after the desired dates are open for booking. You can however speculate travel plans within 1 year, issue the ticket and make free date changes using old TNCs anytime.
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Correct. The cutoff is for 'ticketed' date. If you are still waitlisted as of 1st April, you'll have to pay more miles and less taxes.
You might have misread the award table. Zone 1 to Zone 11 J prices at 160k (136k after discount) before 23Mar, and 170k after 23Mar. The biggest change is still US bound flights, where it can get as much as 53k more expensive.
Right, I've forgotten about the Europe 1 and Europe 2 merger. I was shuttling between the States and back last year, so it wasn't a drastic change that hit me hard.
Definitely, 34k for $470 is an abysmal 1.4cpm. But who said anything about 'enhancements' definitely is an improvement
We should be used to banks/airlines 'enhancing' certain benefits away from us by now
OCBC screw me in morning. Citibank screw me in afternoon. SIA screw me at night
Right, I've forgotten about the Europe 1 and Europe 2 merger. I was shuttling between the States and back last year, so it wasn't a drastic change that hit me hard.
Definitely, 34k for $470 is an abysmal 1.4cpm. But who said anything about 'enhancements' definitely is an improvement
We should be used to banks/airlines 'enhancing' certain benefits away from us by now
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