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Lucky177

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It's actually a bit "hazy" in that aspect. It's not HEPA, but it's not electrostatic. If it's hybrid, then is it 50/50%? Or 80/20%? heh...

Oh, i think i have never shared this before. After the 1994 or 1997 (PSI 226) episodes, my parents bought for me a desktop type of electrostatic plate kinda AP. You know, like the stylish Stadler Form air purifiers you see in Metro or Robinsons Orchard.
Always need to clean it out, else performance drop.

After that, i vowed never to touch electrostatics already. Only pure HEPA for me.


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Ya. I not very keen in those electrostatics either.

I also prefer pure HEPA if I'm going to buy a new purifier. Hehe. :)

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Another product designed for long term profit

They are not selling the machine to make money

The money is in the filters

Filters last 24 months based on 8 hours operation - in fine print

So machine designed to auto stop = designer very smart
 

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Just a heads up for those interested in the ax40. Saw someone selling for $340. Used for 1 week with extra filter. Search for it on carousel.
 

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Just get the original Sharp replacement ones at BEST Denki. Or customise Taobao with a thicker one. My KC-840 cavity can take max of 45mm depth (original = 31mm). Adds to the performance with a thicker filter. SHARP has ready made ones in Taobao, just need to search the descriptions and get the correct size.

Or you can post your SHARP model here, i more or less know the whole chinese-equivalent range.

mine is KC-930E, which filter to search for on tb? or u can sticky the tb corresponding models to sg replacement parts so ppl no need to keep asking u. thanks.
 

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Ya. I not very keen in those electrostatics either.

I also prefer pure HEPA if I'm going to buy a new purifier. Hehe. :)

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It gets more confusing actually...

http://www.air-purifier-power.com/blueairreplacementfilters.html

Blueair owners must register the product and provide proof of purchase of genuine Blueair filters every 6 months to remain eligible for warranty claims.



Manufacturer recommended filter exchange is also 6 months.

More specifically, Blueair bases their 6-month requirement on 4,380 hours of run time, which works out to 180 days times 24 hours per day.

Particle filters are expended when restricted, clogged enough to reduce airflow meaningfully, NOT when an arbitrary time interval has expired.

This creates a quandary for Blueair owners with low particle load environments, and those who will not be running their air purifiers 24/7 continuously.

Genuine Blueair filters are gradient structured, which means they have progressively finer gaps further into the media.

Intended to run without prefilters, these filters can face load (clog the coarse mesh near the front while fine particle gaps further back remain open) in environments with heavy coarse dust.

Many user reviews say they have extended filter life to one year by carefully vacuuming off this face loaded dust.

HEPA is a filter performance standard, not a kind of filter.

Blueair is careful not to claim true-HEPA performance under all conditions of load and fan speed, quoting instead low speed performance on .1 micron sized particles.

All true-HEPA filters capture 99.97% of .1 micron particles, it is the hardest to catch .3 micron size that determines HEPA performance.

In Blueair's hybrid design particles are negatively charged by ion brushes before reaching the filters, increasing retention with unloaded filters.

Three-filter Blueairs (500 and 600 series) will begin bypassing, lifting the gravity-held center (top) filter a bit, when filters are face-loaded.

Generic products do NOT fulfill warranty requirements.

Substitution of generic HEPA-like filters will save money, but performance may decline.

BlueAir offers two types of filters, standard particle and optional SmokeStop (SS) filters.

Standard particle filters have had some carbon added in recent years, these are black on one side.

Some vendors may still have the older, white-both-sides, genuine Blueair OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) filters - these should sell at a discount.

Smokestop models have extra carbon for chemicals and odors, and are even pricier than standard filters.


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200 series particle filter is S$99 or $138, Best Denki prices. Can't remember exact. <--- this is aactually a decent price for original filters, same as other manufacturers.

400 series particle = $230 or so.
500/600 particle filter = ~ $260 . Smoke stop = $350.
 

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All true-HEPA filters capture 99.97% of .1 micron particles
, it is the hardest to catch .3 micron size that determines HEPA performance.

Repeat again from my above post, lest this is lost amongst the posts. Discussed quite a fair bit before last year.
 

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mine is KC-930E, which filter to search for on tb? or u can sticky the tb corresponding models to sg replacement parts so ppl no need to keep asking u. thanks.

heh... I am not the mod or thread starter, no stickys.

I will give you the link tonite or later. Check again. Your KC-930 shd be the same as my FZ-31. I give you the dimensions, you double confirm by personal measurement. Same, if there are gaps then use the plastic bag/tissue to plug the gaps to prevent bypass, 5 minute job. If too big, you won't be able to fit.

Approx 31mm thick original. I customised by going to 35mm from one particular seller, each filter i think add 5 RMB only. :)
 

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heh... I am not the mod or thread starter, no stickys.

I will give you the link tonite or later. Check again. Your KC-930 shd be the same as my FZ-31. I give you the dimensions, you double confirm by personal measurement. Same, if there are gaps then use the plastic bag/tissue to plug the gaps to prevent bypass, 5 minute job. If too big, you won't be able to fit.

Approx 31mm thick original. I customised by going to 35mm from one particular seller, each filter i think add 5 RMB only. :)

foosdoll, yours shd be FZ-180 HFS direct replacement. PP/Polypropylene media. Actually the stock FZ-31 filter is H10/85% only. This one i measured to be about 97-98% efficient.

The seller that i get from... 76 RMB. You can ALWW him and spec to be 35mm for a wee bit more. I am not sure if 45mm can fit.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=0.0.0.0.hRYbdV&id=23339280327

380 x 240 x 31mm thickness.
 

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I saw a LG PS-R459R for $240 only....Brand New In BOX/BNIB.

I got one, 9/10 as received or 9.9 after cleaning it out with alcohol, for $60. :D
Anyone know the current new price for ax40? I just got a used 9 months one for $200. Not sure if got carot chopped.
 

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Anyone know the current new price for ax40? I just got a used 9 months one for $200. Not sure if got carot chopped.

$269 + $15 shipping on Qoo10 at current time of this post. Original replacement filter +$78.
@9 months, it's time to change filter already.
 

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foosdoll, yours shd be FZ-180 HFS direct replacement. PP/Polypropylene media. Actually the stock FZ-31 filter is H10/85% only. This one i measured to be about 97-98% efficient.

The seller that i get from... 76 RMB. You can ALWW him and spec to be 35mm for a wee bit more. I am not sure if 45mm can fit.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=0.0.0.0.hRYbdV&id=23339280327

380 x 240 x 31mm thickness.

heh... I am not the mod or thread starter, no stickys.

I will give you the link tonite or later. Check again. Your KC-930 shd be the same as my FZ-31. I give you the dimensions, you double confirm by personal measurement. Same, if there are gaps then use the plastic bag/tissue to plug the gaps to prevent bypass, 5 minute job. If too big, you won't be able to fit.

Approx 31mm thick original. I customised by going to 35mm from one particular seller, each filter i think add 5 RMB only. :)

thanks many many

more good air ahead
 

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Anyone know the current new price for ax40? I just got a used 9 months one for $200. Not sure if got carot chopped.

New one sgd284 shipped.

Can check gumtree classifieds as well for second hand or new, other than carousell.
 
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Was asked in a pte msg regarding my post earlier about PM0.1 (Ultrafine particles) and the Samsung filters. And also whether the TB HEPAs can handle or not.

Actually you guys with a laser particle counter can use cigarette smoke as a source. Maybe your counter is able to measure accurately down to 0.5 microns only, or some cheap ones claim to be accurate down to 0.3 microns. Not an issue, you don't really need to measure it to anywhere accurate. We can just talk about "relative".
PM 0.1 or PM0.05 can be detected by by the IR laser, just not in an accurate sense.
ie If your initial 0.3 microns count is like 500,000 particles per L of air, and after 1hr it drops down to below 300, that speaks volumes already, that's 99.9+% drop in ambient (not talking about directly @ the air purifier output)

http://www.em-consulte.com/rmr/article/203034


Particulate distribution in the size categories (table I and figure 2).

The number of particles in the size category above 2 µm was close to zero for both air streams. 69.6 % ± 13.8 of the S1 particles and 95.8 % ± 4.4 of those in S2 are below 0.3 µm. 30.4% ± 14.8 of the S1 particles and 4.2% ± 4.1 of those in S2 fell into the intermediate category between 0.3 and 2 µm.


I can tell you that with decent enough HEPA surface area (size x depth) and/or number of air purifiers, cigarette smoke can be filtered, even with the cheap TB HEPAs.


Don't believe me and my cheap equipment, that's understandable.

But believe this video with a 5-figures $$$ counter. :D
Below post was posted in page 271 by me.

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Another good 11 mins video with regards to Air Purifiers testing in China in their standard 30 cu metre test chamber.

Note, they are using a crazy high 1000 ug/m3 (1mg/m3) initial concentration with cigarette smoke. Compare with the end result, which is very low.

Samsung AX40 and IQAir Healthpro tested inside!

Samsung AX40
Result : Slightly above 1000ug/m3 (!!!!) got filtered to 1 ug/m3 within 35 mins
Power consumption : 27.5 watts as measured (official spec is 34W)


IQAir Healthpro (not sure which model but I don't think got any below SGD2,200)
Result : Slightly above 1000ug/m3 (!!!!) got filtered to 1 ug/m3 within 28 mins
Power consumption : 139.1 watts as measured :D :D


Difference in electrical cost is SGD117 per year based on. 12hrs daily usage


The last air purifier, the Yadu, is a Chinese unit with a lower airflow spec.
Usually they do not use good stuff like energy efficient DC motors etc.


Video in the details section of the below tmall link.
http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?sp...=43954500555&ns=1&_u=51u0hciba683&abbucket=10

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Power post. Can share taobao partical laser counter lobang?

This is the one that i recently bought. However, the electronics only decode 0.5 and 2.5 microns particle count.
My other one gives 0.3 microns count in addition to 0.5, 1.0, 2.5 etc etc...but its already been taken down.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.9.79.altxnp&id=43721215547&_u=l1u0hcib07d4

This one slightly more ex, has 0.3 microns displayed etc.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.9.95.altxnp&id=45505826310&_u=l1u0hcib3e8e
 
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