Need help choosing a Z370 Mobo for i5-8600k!

["sanbo"]

Decided to get a i5-8600k but can't seem to decide which Z370 Mobo to pair with. Any ideas guys?

 

[elmariachi]

Depends on your budget but I am a fan of the Aorus Gaming 7 motherboard.

 

[ZrE0_Cha0s]

anyway needs from the mobo and budget constraint?

 

[Encrypted11]

I still don't see how any of the K CPUs are a good buy. Especially i3-8350k and i5-8600K. i7-8700K I can understand for the mainstream halo.

If you factor the total cost of ownership of a 8600K vs. i7-8700 (Same as i5-6600k vs. i7-6700 relationship)
(+Higher end cooler, more power consumption, less consistent performance). Is the 8600K really that great? You can enable multicore enhancement to run locked i7-8700 at 4.6GHz all core (locked CPU overclocking)?

Here's a Gigabyte confirmation on the gamersnexus MCE video. Basically gamersnexus was doing a callout on twitter, when someone linked him AnandTech's 5 year old MCE article since he initially had no idea of the actual reason some review benchmarks are high, some are low (MCE being the reason)

There is even this twitter thread when a puget systems reviewer that lacked the knowledge of MCE being a 5+ year old "bug" who stirred the hornet's hive on the subject matter. Other reviewers like Hardware Canucks chipping in that MCE existed in their Z68 board's default setting.
https://twitter.com/hardwarecanucks/status/917088762324234242

tl;dr remark: Is it true that i7-8700 is a superior part to the 8600K with a lower total cost of ownership?

Personal opinion: i3-8100<i5-8400<i7-8700<i7-8700K
(Don't bother with the "neither here or there 8350k and 8600K")

 

[gld998]

Decided to get a i5-8600k but can't seem to decide which Z370 Mobo to pair with. Any ideas guys?

Just get the cheapest. Invest more gpu ie gtx1080ti if u into gaming

 

[-Synchronicity-]

I still don't see how any of the K CPUs are a good buy. Especially i3-8350k and i5-8600K. i7-8700K I can understand for the mainstream halo.

If you factor the total cost of ownership of a 8600K vs. i7-8700 (Same as i5-6600k vs. i7-6700 relationship)
(+Higher end cooler, more power consumption, less consistent performance). Is the 8600K really that great? You can enable multicore enhancement to run locked i7-8700 at 4.6GHz all core (locked CPU overclocking)?

Here's a Gigabyte confirmation on the gamersnexus MCE video. Basically gamersnexus was doing a callout on twitter, when someone linked him AnandTech's 5 year old MCE article since he initially had no idea of the actual reason some review benchmarks are high, some are low (MCE being the reason)

There is even this twitter thread when a puget systems reviewer that lacked the knowledge of MCE being a 5+ year old "bug" who stirred the hornet's hive on the subject matter. Other reviewers like Hardware Canucks chipping in that MCE existed in their Z68 board's default setting.
https://twitter.com/hardwarecanucks/status/917088762324234242

tl;dr remark: Is it true that i7-8700 is a superior part to the 8600K with a lower total cost of ownership?

Personal opinion: i3-8100<i5-8400<i7-8700<i7-8700K
(Don't bother with the "neither here or there 8350k and 8600K")

+1 to this

 

[Bardiel]

msi z370 gaming lor. cheap n z370 (no valid for promo bundle)

unless u hoot their higher end then can enjoy msi bundle offer

 

[harharhar]

I still don't see how any of the K CPUs are a good buy. Especially i3-8350k and i5-8600K. i7-8700K I can understand for the mainstream halo.

If you factor the total cost of ownership of a 8600K vs. i7-8700 (Same as i5-6600k vs. i7-6700 relationship)
(+Higher end cooler, more power consumption, less consistent performance). Is the 8600K really that great? You can enable multicore enhancement to run locked i7-8700 at 4.6GHz all core (locked CPU overclocking)?

Here's a Gigabyte confirmation on the gamersnexus MCE video. Basically gamersnexus was doing a callout on twitter, when someone linked him AnandTech's 5 year old MCE article since he initially had no idea of the actual reason some review benchmarks are high, some are low (MCE being the reason)

There is even this twitter thread when a puget systems reviewer that lacked the knowledge of MCE being a 5+ year old "bug" who stirred the hornet's hive on the subject matter. Other reviewers like Hardware Canucks chipping in that MCE existed in their Z68 board's default setting.
https://twitter.com/hardwarecanucks/status/917088762324234242

tl;dr remark: Is it true that i7-8700 is a superior part to the 8600K with a lower total cost of ownership?

Personal opinion: i3-8100<i5-8400<i7-8700<i7-8700K
(Don't bother with the "neither here or there 8350k and 8600K")

Seconded. The reason why I went with B150 + i7-6700 instead of Z170 + i5-6600K at that time (was it 2 years ago already???)

 

[hlots123]

Seconded. The reason why I went with B150 + i7-6700 instead of Z170 + i5-6600K at that time (was it 2 years ago already???)

but isn't Encrypted11 taking mce into context in his comparison, which i think ur b150+6700 dun hav...?
besides, ram at 2133 loses out tho i dunno how much on other games, but in witcher3 quite significantly...

 

[Encrypted11]

but isn't Encrypted11 taking mce into context in his comparison, which i think ur b150+6700 dun hav...?
besides, ram at 2133 loses out tho i dunno how much on other games, but in witcher3 quite significantly...

Looking back at Macclipper's thread U had asus b150i pro gaming right?

That board really no such option in the "fake" non oc board XMP submenu?
At least for Z170 asus including ROG the combo is toggled on via
-XMP (Then in the MCE pop up dialogue hit ok than cancel)
-Or alternatively Extreme Tweaker/OC Menu toggle MCE to auto right?
-And also turboboost enabled

Iirc linus's comparison of i7 vs i5-8400 was definitely a by product of MCE.

 

[hlots123]

Looking back at Macclipper's thread U had asus b150i pro gaming right?

That board really no such option in the "fake" non oc board XMP submenu?
At least for Z170 asus including ROG the combo is toggled on via
-XMP (Then in the MCE pop up dialogue hit ok than cancel)
-Or alternatively Extreme Tweaker/OC Menu toggle MCE to auto right?
-And also turboboost enabled

Iirc linus's comparison of i7 vs i5-8400 was definitely a by product of MCE.

ahh, u mean enabling xmp could discreetly enable mce?
hmm, if so i stand corrected - but i can't cfm because using i3-6100 no turbo (plus currently its used in ofc, no testing)

 

[Encrypted11]

ahh, u mean enabling xmp could discreetly enable mce?
hmm, if so i stand corrected - but i can't cfm because using i3-6100 no turbo (plus currently its used in ofc, no testing)

Yes, its

Spoiler

Step 1: Make sure normal turboboost is auto or enabled (normally default enabled)
step 2: XMP
step 3: XMP: MCE popup keyima? (Keyi)

Alternatively,
in boards that can explicitly OC (asus example)
step 1: TB enabled
step 2: MCE

But the most direct way to find out if its definitely enabled is to save the bios profile in the .txt file and check the log, since locked boards have similar features except you don't get to decide to enable or disable within bios and the manufacturer decides.

Edit: Or manually eyeball the frequency behaviour.

Also if the intel PR this round says "we won't tell you what is the default per core TB value (without MCE override)", it can still be detected with Intel XTU + Management engine driver.

So if Anandtech also didn't receive the official table info (Their editor charted it in excel), they probably used XTU to easily extract the numbers on the chips they were sampled. Its on the top right of window.

 

[MoneyFace =p]

Just get the cheapest Z370 board and calls it a day cos it will be eventually succeeded by Z390 next year trollolol....

 

[hlots123]

Yes, its

Spoiler

Step 1: Make sure normal turboboost is auto or enabled (normally default enabled)
step 2: XMP
step 3: XMP: MCE popup keyima? (Keyi)

Alternatively,
in boards that can explicitly OC (asus example)
step 1: TB enabled
step 2: MCE

But the most direct way to find out if its definitely enabled is to save the bios profile in the .txt file and check the log, since locked boards have similar features except you don't get to decide to enable or disable within bios and the manufacturer decides.

currently someone using pc, but i found an old saved .txt profile - on 1st glance no mce...

Spoiler

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[Encrypted11]

[2017/01/20 18:36:43]

Mature bios, probably its final.
Means not the best motherboard brand anymore

 

[lifeishard]

Wait wait, you mean we still can oc locked cpu with z board? Just that no manual oc but auto oc (xmp)? For eg i7 6700 can turbo boost to 4ghz by default, using xmp how much can it goes to?

 

[Encrypted11]

The 5 year and counting bug..? Zehzeh check those previous links lah

Spoiler

So this is how far MCE can go, look at 1C column (old CPU)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000005523.html
How far CFL can go.

But with AMD Ryzen in the game, I think Intel won't padlock this "bug" because some reviewers scream cheating (its the mobo vendor).
It's a way to demonstrate IPC and frequency advantage and take interest away from Ryzen 5. i5 8400 peak boost is +1.2GHz over base.

 

[lalala92]

In the end it’s only a 200mhz increase. And how much would a board that will support this MCE “feature” cost seeing as how much higher Asus boards are priced in SG. So Asus is out the qn.

Will gigabyte cheapest Z370 board support MCE?

I don’t see why is it bad to get 8600k if u wanna oc to 4.8-4.9ghz.

But of course looking at the game reviews right now, I’d say 8600k will not be that worth it. Cuz it’s not having a substantial performance improvement over 8400 even after oc.

 

[lalala92]

OP, for motherboard look at their features to decide. Basically there are a few important points, power phases will be important since you’re gonna oc. I wouldn’t say for sure that having a lower amount of power phase is bad, but it may help your oc if you have more.

Look at the amount of sata ports, USB ports, PCIe, mSata, wifi etc. And then buy the cheapest one amongst the brands. In Singapore, I tend to avoid brands that are marked up. You can tell immediately because if they have the same amount of features, why is one brand costing much higher? Is it because they use better quality components? Sometimes it is but most of the time it’s cuz of mark up. Just look at the prices in Singapore and then you go amazon see their true price.

 

[hlots123]

... check oc forum users' feedback whether there's proper adaptive vcore mode
... check oc forum users' feedback whether there's proper load line calibration settings