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as a singaporean, does ib allow me to trade sg stocks?
As a Singapore resident, no. If you go overseas and become tax resident of another country, maybe can. Similarly foreigners living here too are not allowed to trade SG stocks via IB.

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hello guys,

Understand that IBKR has only internet US customer service. Has it ever occurred to you that if one day we die, how is my beneficiaries suppose to claim my estate from IB?

Since they do not have a office in Singapore, i suppose it's going to be difficult for your beneficiaries to liaises with them and all the legal framework.

CHeers
 

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Understand that IBKR has only internet US customer service. Has it ever occurred to you that if one day we die, how is my beneficiaries suppose to claim my estate from IB? Since they do not have a office in Singapore, i suppose it's going to be difficult for your beneficiaries to liaises with them and all the legal framework.
The fact Interactive Brokers doesn’t have an office in Singapore isn’t so exciting/interesting for these purposes. In fact, if it did, you might not enjoy the much stronger investor protections in the U.S., including SIPC coverage. The ability to interact with IB in English is important, and that they can do.

There are two basic solutions:

1. Have a joint IB account with your heir. There are a couple possible disadvantages here. One is that you would need the joint account holder’s permission to disconnect and/or change the joint account holder. If you’re suddenly estranged, that could be awkward. The second possible disadvantage is that both you and the joint account holder are subject to your own respective tax and financial reporting liabilities. That might not matter so much while you’re both residents of Singapore, but it could matter if the joint account holder moves elsewhere, or ends up on someone’s blacklist. (Both account holders are required to submit W-8BENs or W-9s, as applicable — at account opening and then every 3 years thereafter.)

2. Have your heir go through IB’s probate procedures to transfer the assets, but smooth that process by providing guidance on IB’s procedures (including contact details, account number, a rough accounting of the assets there, and recommendations on how to handle the assets, e.g. “I suggest you leave them in place and start slowly selling them when you retire”).

Regardless of which arrangement you decide, U.S. estate tax rules still apply. If you and your heir are concerned about U.S. estate tax then you should only invest in non-U.S. domiciled assets (such as IWDA, VWRD, EIMI, and other Irish domiciled funds) and keep the cash (in any currencies) holdings in the account at or below US$60,000. These limits apply to non-U.S. persons.

Also, if your heir is a dependent and would be seriously negatively impacted upon your demise, you want to make sure your dependent can access some emergency reserve funds practically instantly. The best way to do that is simply to give money to your dependent while you’re still alive, and then that dependent can park some funds in his/her ordinary bank account and some in SSBs. In other words, it’s prudent to split emergency reserve funds within a household. Then the heir has plenty of time to tap other assets. Another option is to provide your heir with a supplementary credit card, tied to your primary credit card account, and then to set up your credit card for automatic monthly full balance payment via GIRO. Then your heir would have plenty of spending power over the short-term, up to the limit of the funding bank account for your credit card. You could put that supplementary credit card in a “break open in an emergency” kit.

Anyway, brokerage accounts (no matter where they are) should never be the ones your heir relies on in an emergency. You simply want to smooth the path to transfer assets reliably, per your wishes, and in due course. That you can do.

If you have no heirs that you care about, or even if you do, you also have the option to leave your assets behind to any charity. For example, if you attended a (not-for-profit) university and want to give money to them, some universities can work with you to set up what’s called a “charitable remainder trust.” You give the assets to them, they pay you a regular income (and to a joint survivor if you wish, such as a spouse) for life, and then when you (and your spouse/partner, if it’s a joint remainder trust) (both) pass on, the university keeps the remainder. Some big charities can also make these arrangements, particularly in the U.S. And since IB is a U.S. broker, it could be easier to make these arrangements.
 
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hello guys,

Understand that IBKR has only internet US customer service. Has it ever occurred to you that if one day we die, how is my beneficiaries suppose to claim my estate from IB?

Since they do not have a office in Singapore, i suppose it's going to be difficult for your beneficiaries to liaises with them and all the legal framework.

CHeers

I just opened up a joint account with my wife. And, I'm trying to introduce her on how to use Interactive Brokers. I think most important is she must be able to access the account.

There are 3 types of joint accounts. I choose the following:

Joint Tenants with Rights of Survivorship - A form of ownership in which two or more parties have equal interests in the account and in which title to the entire account goes to the survivor(s) upon the death of one of the account holders. This process avoids court probate of the property, but may have some tax consequences which should be reviewed with a tax advisor prior to opening the account.
 

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Thanks MikeDirnt78 & BBC for replying on this issue of estate

Joint Tenants with Rights of Survivorship seems like a good idea. I recently just open a individual IB account ( waiting to be funded ), i think is possible to change from individual account to Joint account? I read somewhere someone took 3 weeks to change to account. Correct me if i am wrong?

BBC mentioned that there is a chance for estate duty taxes for assets more than USD $60,000 which is a little worrying. 60K usd is likely to exceed if we invest over a long period of time. DBS vickers, at least should know as my bank account is with them as well, but they are known for high commission charges (USD$25).

The fact that life is unpredictable and i may died abruptly. My spouse may not know how to liquid the assets. of course i do have my insurance and emergency funds, i do want her to access my money if i am not around.
I do not want to have a few hundred thousands lying around in IB, with US govt on my estate duty.

On a side note, IB did not ask me for W8-Ben form to be fill up. Should i take the initiative to furnish them with the records?

Cheers and have a nice day.

PS: i am intending to invest $1k USD into IWDA or $3k USD on a quarterly basis.
 

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If you have not funded, then just close the single account. Open a new joint account.

It will become troublesome once you have some positions inside.

Actually the transfer is fast. It's the days wasted trying to correspond with IB and verify your identity that delays.
 

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Joint Tenants with Rights of Survivorship seems like a good idea. I recently just open a individual IB account ( waiting to be funded ), i think is possible to change from individual account to Joint account?
Yes.

BBC mentioned that there is a chance for estate duty taxes for assets more than USD $60,000 which is a little worrying.
The U.S. estate tax exemption for non-U.S. persons is US$60,000. That exemption is applied to U.S. estate taxable assets. Irish domiciled/London traded funds are NOT U.S. estate taxable. Cash held at your U.S. broker is U.S. estate taxable, no matter what the currencies.

The U.S. estate tax exemption is per decedent. The only difference between IB and any/every other broker is the U.S. estate tax treatment of cash held at the broker. If you buy shares of Apple (AAPL) via DBS Vickers, for example, those shares are U.S. estate taxable upon your demise.

The fact that life is unpredictable and i may died abruptly. My spouse may not know how to liquid the assets.
Your spouse most probably should not liquidate the assets, at least not quickly. If they are good investments the day before you die, they should still be good investments the day after. If she is working (and earning an income) then she might not be adding more funds every month, or not adding as quickly, but the portfolio should still be good. There’s absolutely no requirement to liquidate assets when one of the joint account holders passes.

On a side note, IB did not ask me for W8-Ben form to be fill up. Should i take the initiative to furnish them with the records?
Yes.

PS: i am intending to invest $1k USD into IWDA or $3k USD on a quarterly basis.
IWDA is not U.S. estate taxable.
 

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I think what you're asking is whether the U.S. Treasury (or the U.S. Federal Reserve) records your name as the owner of a particular bond. When you're going through IB or Schwab, no. The broker (or its agent) maintains the book-entry accounts for U.S. Treasuries. The U.S. Treasury explains how that all works here.


That's when the SIPC steps in, to protect you and other account holders. They grab the record of accounts and return securities to account holders. Sometimes there will be another broker that simply takes over the accounts (with SIPC facilitation), and then you can either stay with the new broker or close the account.

Hi BBCWatcher,
I have a few more questions please....

1. Based on what you mentioned above, how safe are buying treasury bills say through Charles Schwab? Specifically, can one lose his treasury bills if say Charles Schwab is to fold one day / bankrupt / close down with no other brokerage taking over, since the treasury bills are held by Charles Schwab and not in our name?


2. Are Treasury Bills estate taxable? I understand any amount of treasury bills above 60K USD are taxable? What if I place them as separate treasury bills of 60K USD each, or do they look at the total amount of T bills one holds at the brokerage?

3. I am a Non-US person but what happens if I move to the US next year? How would that impact my holding of the T bills and any other taxes involved?
Anything in particular I should note with regards to my account in Charles Schwab and additional taxes?
 

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If you have not funded, then just close the single account. Open a new joint account.

It will become troublesome once you have some positions inside.

Actually the transfer is fast. It's the days wasted trying to correspond with IB and verify your identity that delays.
Sorry, if I have already an existing individual account, would u know how do I convert to joint
 

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For ib joint account, withdraw of money can transfer to individual account? Since the ib joint account is for avoiding estate tax only
 

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Since the ib joint account is for avoiding estate tax only
A joint account does not avoid estate tax! Estate tax is either owed or it isn't, based on tax laws. U.S. estate tax liability (if any) is entirely and irrevocably determined on the date any account holder dies.

A joint account might, in certain circumstances, effectively double the U.S. estate tax exemption from US$60,000 to US$120,000, but not always. A joint account approximately doubles the risk of triggering an estate taxable event since there are two people who could die at any moment in time, not just one.

boroangel said:
1. Based on what you mentioned above, how safe are buying treasury bills say through Charles Schwab? Specifically, can one lose his treasury bills if say Charles Schwab is to fold one day / bankrupt / close down with no other brokerage taking over, since the treasury bills are held by Charles Schwab and not in our name?
Quite safe, but there is that theoretical risk. If you're concerned about that risk, then keep your total custodial holdings at any SIPC-insured broker at US$500K or below.

2. Are Treasury Bills estate taxable?
No. U.S. Treasury bills, notes, bonds, and securities directly held are NOT counted toward your U.S. estate tax exemption. They are not U.S. estate taxable.

What if I place them as separate treasury bills of 60K USD each....
The US$60,000 exemption is per decedent. It doesn't matter whether you have 5, 10, or 58 separate accounts, or whether those accounts are at DBS Vickers, Standard Chartered, HSBC, or Schwab. The US$60,000 is a blanket, total, single exemption across all your U.S. estate taxable assets.

If you don't want U.S. estate tax liability, then there's only one solution: don't hold more than US$60,000 of U.S. estate taxable assets at any one time.

To repeat, if you hold individual U.S. Treasuries directly (bills, notes, bonds, and/or securities issued by the U.S. Treasury), those are NOT U.S. estate taxable assets. Shares of U.S. listed companies, U.S. domiciled funds, and cash in any currencies held at a U.S. broker are among the assets that are U.S. estate taxable and that do count toward your single US$60,000 exemption.

3. I am a Non-US person but what happens if I move to the US next year? How would that impact my holding of the T bills and any other taxes involved?
It would depend on your visa status, but if you were to become a U.S. person then you would become subject to U.S. tax rules. Some terms are more favorable, some are not.

Strictly before you physically enter the United States it's highly recommended to adjust your assets to prepare for U.S. personhood. This post isn't the place to elaborate on how you would do that, but there are a few basic steps you will probably want to take. That's PRIOR to your physical entry into the United States, to repeat.

Anything in particular I should note with regards to my account in Charles Schwab and additional taxes?
Not for U.S. Treasuries. While you're a non-U.S. person Schwab is unlikely to be attractive for most other investments, although there are a few possible exceptions. Naturally you should put a W-8BEN on file with Schwab, then switch that to a W-9 if/when you become a U.S. person.
 
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Sorry, if I have already an existing individual account, would u know how do I convert to joint

https://ibkr.info/article/2733

Just some tips.

1) Have a scanned copy of passport with the signature page.
2) Call US hotline for verification. The HK hotline has very slow response.

For ib joint account, withdraw of money can transfer to individual account? Since the ib joint account is for avoiding estate tax only

Yes. Can withdraw money to a single account holder of a bank. I just verified today.
 

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Anyone have info on Saxo?

Been selling options on a few platforms in the past.

1) OptionXpress now Charles Schwab - poor platform, high fees
2) ThinkorSwim now TDAmeritrade - great platform, regular fees, limited expiry on some counters, need subscription to trade some commodities
3) IB - cheap fees, slow platform, great range of products but SUPER high margins for selling options "naked"

Thinking of switching to Saxo. Does anyone have experience with them especially selling/shorting/writing long expiry commodity options? Their platform not fantastic, but they have a great range of products and their margin is pretty standard. Unlike IB's inflated margins. Just not sure if they have hidden holding fees etc or any negative stuff.
 

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I thought options margins are mandated by CBOE. I have short put on TSLA. Margin is not bad.

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I thought options margins are mandated by CBOE. I have short put on TSLA. Margin is not bad.


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Hi revhappy,

Yes you are right, stock options are mandated by CBOE. Future options margins are calculated using SPAN margins.

Brokerages can further increase this margin to protect themselves especially if we are shorting naked options. TDA and Saxo are pretty much span margins but IB can be 5 to 10 times higher, locking up precious funds.
 

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Hi revhappy,

Yes you are right, stock options are mandated by CBOE. Future options margins are calculated using SPAN margins.

Brokerages can further increase this margin to protect themselves especially if we are shorting naked options. TDA and Saxo are pretty much span margins but IB can be 5 to 10 times higher, locking up precious funds.

Good news to hear about IB.

At least, we know IB is safer.

All the trading accounts have their trade offs. ie You can get top features and low costs, maybe the platform is more vulnerable.
 

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Also, Interactive Brokers, Schwab, and TD Ameritrade are all SIPC insured and U.S. regulated, which probably explains why you cannot get too reckless with them. SIPC insurance coverage is up to US$500,000, with US$250,000 for cash, and those are worst case numbers since customer positions at depositories are secured by the depositories. MF Global was about as bad is it could ever get, and all the account holders above SIPC limits were made whole.

Saxo Capital Markets U.K. (if that's the entity you're comparing; maybe not) is U.K. FCA regulated with a much lower £50,000 insurance limit.

IB has some particular safety advantages here because their parent owns 40% of OneChicago (the merged CBOE and CME), the primary U.S. options and futures exchange.

Pros and cons to everything, I agree, and this is one more set of differences.
 

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Hi everyone,

After procrastinating a few years, i have decided to open an IB account. I have previously bought some IWDA through stanchart (about 150 units) and i have some cash (~SGD$2k) in my USD settlement account. If i want to open an IB account now, should i do the following?
1. Transfer all my assets (IWDA and USD) from stanchart over to IB
2. Sell my IWDA on SCB and withdraw the USD (convert back to SGD first)
3. Leave everything as it is in SCB and then just open IB account
4. Any better suggestions?

Thank you.
 

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1. Transfer all my assets (IWDA and USD) from stanchart over to IB
If you're able to transfer assets in-kind in a low cost way, then that'd be best. Your current holdings get you over the US$10,000 threshold necessary to avoid the highest monthly minimum commission charge at IB, and that's helpful.

I don't know if you're able to perform an in-kind transfer from SCB to IB, though.
 

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Good news to hear about IB.

At least, we know IB is safer.

All the trading accounts have their trade offs. ie You can get top features and low costs, maybe the platform is more vulnerable.

Well, safer is one side of the coin. But when you have opportunities in the market and your funds is locked up is margin because of IB's restrictive margin requirements... this is the other side of the coin.

Also, Interactive Brokers, Schwab, and TD Ameritrade are all SIPC insured and U.S. regulated, which probably explains why you cannot get too reckless with them. SIPC insurance coverage is up to US$500,000, with US$250,000 for cash, and those are worst case numbers since customer positions at depositories are secured by the depositories. MF Global was about as bad is it could ever get, and all the account holders above SIPC limits were made whole.

Saxo Capital Markets U.K. (if that's the entity you're comparing; maybe not) is U.K. FCA regulated with a much lower £50,000 insurance limit.

Capital protection is one of the more important aspect i am looking at. haven't found very credible infomation on it yet, other then this, which doenst really mean anything to me.
 
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