ONE is here. XZ1, XZ1 Compact, X1.

[omelet]

Usually Sony will use a certain sensor for a few generation of Xperia flagship before moving on to a new one.

The IMX300 debuted on the Xperia Z5 series, was then used on the Xperia X/X Performance and Xperia XZ/X Compact. Then Sony used the new IMX400 on the Xperia XZ Premium and Xperia XZ1/XZ1 Compact.

Maybe Sony might change its strategy haha

You are right, they usually use the same sensor for a few gen, however they also improve the camera (non-sensor parts, ie. Lens/mechanism..etc) within that gen as well.

Eg. The Z3+ was better than the Z3 and Z3 is better than Z2 despite using same sensor. The XZ was also better than Z5 if you have both to compare side by side.

 

[amazingone]

You are right, they usually use the same sensor for a few gen, however they also improve the camera (non-sensor parts, ie. Lens/mechanism..etc) within that gen as well.

Eg. The Z3+ was better than the Z3 and Z3 is better than Z2 despite using same sensor. The XZ was also better than Z5 if you have both to compare side by side.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned that I hope Sony can further enhance and improve the IMX400 to bring its further potential out to fight with the competition.

The Xperia XA1 is also using the IMX300 now, my friend has one and not sure if Sony did some tweaks to it, but the photo from his XA1 seems to be better than my Z5

 

[rssd21]

Usually Sony will use a certain sensor for a few generation of Xperia flagship before moving on to a new one.

The IMX300 debuted on the Xperia Z5 series, was then used on the Xperia X/X Performance and Xperia XZ/X Compact. Then Sony used the new IMX400 on the Xperia XZ Premium and Xperia XZ1/XZ1 Compact.

Maybe Sony might change its strategy haha

Let us review the past Sony sensors.

IMX400 - XZs, XZP

IMX300 - XZ, X and Z5 series

IMX220 - Z3+, Z3, Z2, Z1 series

We can see that Sony is picking up pace to produce new sensors within shorter time frame during recent years.

They also produce a wide range of custom sensors for other camera or phone makers.

Let's hope they will be faster next year.

 

[rssd21]

SONY doesn't copy what Samsung and Apple does, and we like it for that.

Sony does not need to copy anyone.

They had been making cameras for 20 years, longer than competing phone makers.

They had also pushed boundaries (mirrorless) where traditional camera makers like canon or nikon has been stagnant.

So far they are the leaders for camera sensors, it is others who should emulate them.

 

[OutBreak]

I'm surprised that SD 835 and Android Oreo could achieve a long battery life for XZ1. Unbelievable that the battery life is better than XZ Premium.. I hope this phone will be available in Oct.

 

[Illusionist_85]

hand itchy for XZ1 Compact, seems like a downgrade from my z5p

 

[rssd21]

I'm surprised that SD 835 and Android Oreo could achieve a long battery life for XZ1. Unbelievable that the battery life is better than XZ Premium.. I hope this phone will be available in Oct.

We will see the implementation of oreo for XZP, since both are using the same hardware.

 

[rssd21]

hand itchy for XZ1 Compact, seems like a downgrade from my z5p

Go for premium then you should stay premium.

 

[hueman]

I'm surprised that SD 835 and Android Oreo could achieve a long battery life for XZ1. Unbelievable that the battery life is better than XZ Premium.. I hope this phone will be available in Oct.

It's still kinda early to conclude that. My gut feel is that it'll be comparable to that of XZP's. For sure the XZ1C is gonna fly in this aspect. Can't wait for the full battery test reviews.

 

[chiaRH]

Sony does not need to copy anyone.

They had been making cameras for 20 years, longer than competing phone makers.

They had also pushed boundaries (mirrorless) where traditional camera makers like canon or nikon has been stagnant.

So far they are the leaders for camera sensors, it is others who should emulate them.

The ones making cameras for 20+ years are the cybershot/alpha guys, not the xperia guys, I'm pretty sure it's different departments within the company.


I will rather say that sony pushed boundary for water resistance, offering it way before everyone else did


For their camera, I'm still waiting for this company with "20 year camera experience" to learn how to put OIS on their cameras and to learn how to make apertures bigger than f/2.0, but I guess the xperia guys thought being able to shoot two seconds of 960fps slow-mo is way more important

 

[eeLsinneD]

Now abit conflicted. Rumors are next year they will come out with a new "Mirai" design instead of the current "omnibalance" design...

Should I wait for another half year...?

 

[amazingone]

Now abit conflicted. Rumors are next year they will come out with a new "Mirai" design instead of the current "omnibalance" design...

Should I wait for another half year...?

Actually the current design of Xperia X series isn't called Omnibalance already, Sony called it as Unified Design.

 

[rssd21]

The ones making cameras for 20+ years are the cybershot/alpha guys, not the xperia guys, I'm pretty sure it's different departments within the company.


I will rather say that sony pushed boundary for water resistance, offering it way before everyone else did


For their camera, I'm still waiting for this company with "20 year camera experience" to learn how to put OIS on their cameras and to learn how to make apertures bigger than f/2.0, but I guess the xperia guys thought being able to shoot two seconds of 960fps slow-mo is way more important

All camera sensors development came from same team in Sony, regardless of the end result in dedicated cameras or smartphones.
You think they will depend on an entirely new crew to make sensors when they have an experienced one?

It is a different story when it comes to implementation of the sensors into the smartphones, and camera software.

The combined effort of the individual teams is what it counts.
Also, the one who calls the shot for putting things like OIS or flash is also important.

 

[chiaRH]

All camera sensors development came from same team in Sony, regardless of the end result in dedicated cameras or smartphones.
You think they will depend on an entirely new crew to make sensors when they have an experienced one?

It is a different story when it comes to implementation of the sensors into the smartphones, and camera software.

The combined effort of the individual teams is what it counts.
Also, the one who calls the shot for putting things like OIS or flash is also important.

Ya i was referring to the implementation

thats why I said things like "xperia" and "cybershot" (i.e. referencing the phone and camera product lines), I didn't say "Exmor" (the sensor) cos i wasnt referring to sensor

i would really like to see if their camera team could actually pull off a smartphone for a change though.

With so many people using smartphones now i think its actually a good opportunity. Canon/Nikon arent making Powershot/Coolpix smartphones, and Samsung/LG/Apple arent making compact cameras (samsung gave up after 1 generation of K zoom), cybershot team + xperia team collab could produce a cybershot phone that takes photography to the next level

Unfortunately sony's idea of that was...

 

[Donten]

SONY doesn't copy what Samsung and Apple does, and we like it for that.

i get that people here have a hard on for sony. but if doing something bad is considered good for you, i have nothing to say. being straight and concise with the consumer SHOULD be something a company should strive for.

 

[rssd21]

i get that people here have a hard on for sony. but if doing something bad is considered good for you, i have nothing to say. being straight and concise with the consumer SHOULD be something a company should strive for.

Come on. There are some people who sold their shiny new phones just to buy the latest Sony phones because the release date is much further than announcement date.

If people wants to buy Sony products, a late release date will not stop their pursuit.

Just because Sony does not give a release date at first announcement you think it is bad?
Take a look at how many other products being released earlier but comes with bugs and issues, only to be resolved later with updates.

Instead of endless complaints about late release like an entitled US citizen, why not post something better for healthy discussion?

Peace.

 

[Donten]

Come on. There are some people who sold their shiny new phones just to buy the latest Sony phones because the release date is much further than announcement date.

If people wants to buy Sony products, a late release date will not stop their pursuit.

i agree. im can wait. but i would like to have a date when i can purchase it.

Take a look at how many other products being released earlier but comes with bugs and issues, only to be resolved later with updates.

you cant use this when sony have problems after release too. you make it sound like they dont have issues after release. and no, i dont need them to release earlier. i just like to have a release date when they're ready.

Just because Sony does not give a release date at first announcement you think it is bad?

Instead of endless complaints about late release like an entitled US citizen, why not post something better for healthy discussion?

Peace.

you need to take into context what im talking about. my previous quote was their release date have always been wonky which was replied with sony should do their own thing which in that context doesnt make sense. telling me not having a release date is a benefit that shouldnt be followed is the thinking of sheeps. or you can tell me whats the benefit of not having a release date so i can see from your point of view? i can agree they can do their own things as long as it benefits the consumer in some way. just think for awhile before you reply back to me.

 

[rssd21]

you need to take into context what im talking about. my previous quote was their release date have always been wonky which was replied with sony should do their own thing which in that context doesnt make sense. telling me not having a release date is a benefit that shouldnt be followed is the thinking of sheeps. or you can tell me whats the benefit of not having a release date so i can see from your point of view? i can agree they can do their own things as long as it benefits the consumer in some way. just think for awhile before you reply back to me.

They just give the release date at later time.
If being late is a problem for you, then look elsewhere.

Where in my post did I say it was a benefit, or are you blinded by your own opinion that you are imagining it.

I only said some early release of phones by brands you mentioned, which one does not have software issues or explosive incidents that they could have solved it before official retail.

Seriously if you cannot wait then do not bother to wait.
What point does it make by calling names in order to get everyone to agree with you.

Anyway, if your naming scheme makes you feel wonderful and young again like a teenager, feel free to do so.

Chill man.

 

[eeLsinneD]

i get that people here have a hard on for sony. but if doing something bad is considered good for you, i have nothing to say. being straight and concise with the consumer SHOULD be something a company should strive for.

Umm... "Hard on"??? -_-
You are a sicko.

Sure, SONY is good, but it is hardly 'sexy' -_-

We like it cos it is waterproof and the most important thing, Japanese language and keyboard customization.

Korean and Chinese phones are not even capable of such stuff unless you are a hacker -_-

If you expect me to go oh-SONY-is-the-best-no-flaws reply like iZombies and kZombies, then sorry to disappoint you.

You support something cos you are aware of its strengths and flaws and accept it.

Just like you get a girlfriend, you don't break up with her after you discovered she has flaws, right??? -_-

Back then X10 did not have multi touch, but we also never complain while other smartphones could do the pinch-zoom nonsense.

 

[eeLsinneD]

you need to take into context what im talking about. my previous quote was their release date have always been wonky which was replied with sony should do their own thing which in that context doesnt make sense. telling me not having a release date is a benefit that shouldnt be followed is the thinking of sheeps. or you can tell me whats the benefit of not having a release date so i can see from your point of view? i can agree they can do their own things as long as it benefits the consumer in some way. just think for awhile before you reply back to me.

The benefit of not having a release date?
So that people won't be stressed about saving enough money to get it.

And not to have sheep (yes, plural of sheep is SHEEP) queue up or whatever and affect business of others, and fairness to others who are not in to all the reserve/queuing nonsense.

You have any idea how disappointed they are when they wanna go get the phone then kena, "Sorry phone is out of stock" due to kiasu people?

And before you shoot me say how can Xperias sell like hotcakes, you wouldn't know if they are bringing in limited stocks cos they are not confident that they can clear all if quantity is too high?

Cos after all, compared to Apple and Korean brands, Xperia has the least accessory support out in the market.