Liverpool Forum (Anfield) - Part 21

[Medicated Oil]

Its just weird that in bvb... Klopp was able to:
- land great buys
- ruthlessly sell off deadwoods
- chop and change captaincy
- built a strong core that still stand strong today...years after he left

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I dunno what is happening behing the scene.
I can only assume that BVB have a more experienced transfer committee and scouts in getting the players for Klopp.
They can go to the lesser league to get their players at much cheaper as compared to BPL.
Therefore, if the above committee is strong and efficient, Klopp only need to tell them what type of players they need and the deal will be done.
They just need better players to deal with BM since the rest of the german teams CMI.
We will be top 4 if we are in the German League.

LFC transfer committee seems to be make up a bunch of FIFA numbers crunching warriors.
They are also experiencing difficulties in closing the deal since we are LFC.
Klopp need to provide more direction and guidence in getting the players that he want.
He may be too overconfident of his abilities and the dealing behind each transfer as seen in the last window.
Unfortunately, some of the players that he brought in are also rubbish so far.
If he is the one making decision, there is no urgency to get more defenders other than VVD.

In terms of tactics, it took German League a few seasons to break Klopp down and BPL half a season since he last joined.
Maybe it is very bay gan in the German League to park the bus.
That is why Klopp die die dun want to do it and pissed about his opponents doing it.
This is his weakness and his downfall since every team will be parking the bus against us from now on.
The defense and Park The Bus are two issues that he need to address NOW since it is lingering for two years.

He is having a Deja Vu moments in Liverpool as he had during his last days in BVB.
As mentioned before, this is the soccer lesson that he NEED to learn to become a BETTER manager or else he may be walking the road alone very soon.
Koeman should be walking this week.

 

[begintoend]

I want us to play 4141 from here on.
There will be less frantic running, less heavy metal, but more composed positioning.
343 shaped in attack
4411 shaped in defence

On the mgmt side, prepare a list and $ for klopp to spend in jan for prep to rest of epl.

Klopp... its time to wake up and look at your players hard. Who is good who is not. For god sake, successful mgr at germany and 2nd year into lffc and epl, dun tell me klopp doesn't know what is a good player or not. I dun play fm or fifa to know player stats. Jus look at them play and you will know. Come on.

 

[Takechan]

do you guys think we can spend on january to salvage anything?

Fearfully, I guess the top goals of the club this season is over. Haizzz

Don't think so. There's just too many problems that need to be addressed to.

 

[Medicated Oil]

Top 4 is still achievable if Klopp gets into his head that his team needs to defend 1st and foremost. Come Jan, he needs to bring in defensive players.

There are too many things that need to change to improve our positions.
Seems like we travel back in 2015 when the football genius was in charge.
At least the morale of the team is still much better.

The signs and the problems are already splashing on the media after every stupid defeat that we had so far.
If Klopp listened or read them, he would have no problem now.
He already lost his transfer window in Aug to make the change.
Dun think he will change because of one defeat.
We will not get any defenders cheap in Jan since the knife are already sharpened.
Therefore, we can only realistically look at NO europe commitment next year if some of the players decided to bail out in Jan.

 

[begintoend]

ANd funny
through from the start
there can only be these few from the season start that is really comforting for us every game

coutinho
salah
moreno

 

[Takechan]

Now we know why

Jim Boardman‏Verified account @JimBoardman 15h15 hours ago
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Wasted corner from Liverpool.

"Well it worked in training?"

"It was against your own defenders."

 

[messi7]

Both pochettino and Klopp are defenders during their playing days

Duno y one can build spurs from a buai gan team to now one with a great attack and mean defence while we are still the same old shiat week after week

Is it Klopp is not tat special after all? If he is fired, who else we can get to turn us around?

 

[urbanturban]

Although very sian, i think we ought to trust Klopp to make the changes to make this right longer term.

 

[begintoend]

It's very funny to see the team perform without any real indication of their ambitions. Did we set any in the first place? Seems like no. We seem to be the happy go lucky sorts looking at each game and the results and tell ourselves "oh ok, we still have a job"

The hugs n the fist pumps means little to me. The entertainment in these sideshows. Ya true, I do appreciate that but more so I wanna see klopp having the "I only demand the best" kinda character. If I am wrong, I do not see that in him. Jus look at the players.

We improved players wise. I give that. I actually am not worried that these players are not quality enough for top4 or a trophy. I am more worried about us playing like a team deserved of wearing the jersey and the responsibility to understand what it is to be winning.

Shit as fuck I am still angry.

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[5ex5en5e5]

It's very funny to see the team perform without any real indication of their ambitions. Did we set any in the first place? Seems like no. We seem to be the happy go lucky sorts looking at each game and the results and tell ourselves "oh ok, we still have a job"

The hugs n the fist pumps means little to me. The entertainment in these sideshows. Ya true, I do appreciate that but more so I wanna see klopp having the "I only demand the best" kinda character. If I am wrong, I do not see that in him. Jus look at the players.

We improved players wise. I give that. I actually am not worried that these players are not quality enough for top4 or a trophy. I am more worried about us playing like a team deserved of wearing the jersey and the responsibility to understand what it is to be winning.

Shit as fuck I am still angry.

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I am so angry till wifey spending non-stop at Nathan Rd with my heart numbed and pocket vomited like ****...

 

[LifeIsSuch]

Although very sian, i think we ought to trust Klopp to make the changes to make this right longer term.

I hope to be optimistic but week in and week out, when I see him fielding hendo (except when resting him for supposingly more important game), I am not hopeful that he will change. some may ask why I single out hendo?


I do not like mignolet but I am not convinced that karius is the solution.
I do not like lovren but I am not convinced that klavan is the solution.
I do not like Moreno but I am not convinced that Robertson is ready yet.
I like firmino but not his scoring record but I am not convinced that sturridge can do any better.


so I can understand why klopp start with the above players. but why hendo?


I do not like hendo and I think there are at least 2 players who should start ahead of him. Milner and Ox. I don't even mind having grujic ahead of him.


so I am not convince klopp will change.

 

[Henabi]

Regarding our midfield trio... when klopp started with can Milner and wij... we saw a different dynamics. More energetic more attacking etc

Then last night, we saw Can hendie and Milner... my thought was: "ok! Capt and VC finally starting together. Thats interesting. I hope it will bring even more dynamics..."

But.... wheres the leadership? Both Capt and VC were on that faking field at the same time... my god!!!
Wheres the organisation? Wheres the berating? Wheres the shouting?

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[Henabi]

I hope to be optimistic but week in and week out, when I see him fielding hendo (except when resting him for supposingly more important game), I am not hopeful that he will change. some may ask why I single out hendo?


I do not like mignolet but I am not convinced that karius is the solution.
I do not like lovren but I am not convinced that klavan is the solution.
I do not like Moreno but I am not convinced that Robertson is ready yet.
I like firmino but not his scoring record but I am not convinced that sturridge can do any better.


so I can understand why klopp start with the above players. but why hendo?


I do not like hendo and I think there are at least 2 players who should start ahead of him. Milner and Ox. I don't even mind having grujic ahead of him.


so I am not convince klopp will change.

I dont know what happened during summer transfer...
Whether it is klopp who really only wanted VVD.... or our owner dont wanna bring out their cheque book to secure all the defenders klopp wanted... or our TC really suck at negotiating terms.

Plus Judging from klopp comment like "name 5 defenders..." imo it seems like his hands were tied.

Tbh come end of this season... if klopp choose to leave liverpool and move to a new club with more supportive owners... i will feel very very sad. Its like how our ex owners treated rafa

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[Henabi]

www.empireofthekop.com/2017/10/22/liverpool-surpass-shocking-defensive-record-dating-back-to-1965

Well done team... 1965...

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[fishercow]

I dont know what happened during summer transfer...
Whether it is klopp who really only wanted VVD.... or our owner dont wanna bring out their cheque book

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Pretty sure it was down to Klopp. FSG shelled out 40m for a winger with one year left on his contract. We were willing to pay for Lemar as well if Monaco were willing to sell.

 

[cybertech]

More concerned now is LFC has to stick with these players at least until jan but then don't think there will be any worth buying during mid season transfer windows. I would say give Danny Ward a run of games, have seen enough of Mignolet. Get Joe Gomez to be one of the ** pairing and see how they can perform from there.

To add on that, can we see Flanagan, Ings and Robertson come on for some games since Klopp can only use the current squad of players?

 

[begintoend]

I hope to be optimistic but week in and week out, when I see him fielding hendo (except when resting him for supposingly more important game), I am not hopeful that he will change. some may ask why I single out hendo?


I do not like mignolet but I am not convinced that karius is the solution.
I do not like lovren but I am not convinced that klavan is the solution.
I do not like Moreno but I am not convinced that Robertson is ready yet.
I like firmino but not his scoring record but I am not convinced that sturridge can do any better.


so I can understand why klopp start with the above players. but why hendo?


I do not like hendo and I think there are at least 2 players who should start ahead of him. Milner and Ox. I don't even mind having grujic ahead of him.


so I am not convince klopp will change.

TBH I already given up hoping he is out of the team. By chance or by injury I dun hope anymore.

I tell u why he has some supporters. Firstly he is English. Than he plays safe and make little mistakes. He is usually not involved in opposing threats. So overall picture, he does look hard to fail.

My personal grouse with hendo is he is an average good player. Easily replaceable. No skill. Boring England mentality that thinks running hard and shouting makes a good player. Definitely not capt material. But I can still use him, if possible more effective than he is now.

Until we sort out player and manager problems on their football, we are not getting replacements to those weak links. We can make do better. But that is up to klopp to realize that.

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[econsmagic]

Reports: Staveley will give Rafa £500m to spend over the next two transfer windows, if she completes takeover #NUFC @ChronicleNUFC

Got a few interested parties from middle east as well...Rafa & Magpies will be very happy if Mike Ashley leaves the club...

Newcastle will be a powerhouse

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[daylight]

we still dun understand why klopp refuse to buy better denders

 

[Henabi]

Pretty sure it was down to Klopp. FSG shelled out 40m for a winger with one year left on his contract. We were willing to pay for Lemar as well if Monaco were willing to sell.

Firstly imo I doubt it's entirely klopp doing... he already said that he plays no part in transfer negotiation.. whether it's true or not... not sure

Secondly our clubs recent years transfer spending on defenders vs attackers is very unbalanced and I pointed it out previously

Other top epl clubs are spending quite balanced amount for defenders n attackers.

Lastly, such unbalance spending pattern is gonna hurt our club in a big way and a long way. Supporters have been asking for top defenders for a long long long time and I think it might reach a breaking point whereby supporters, especially local supporters, are gonna start to be very vocal and let our owners know it