OCBC Voyage Card

[Luc777]

Hmm closest would be HSBC VI with 30k FD.

oh 30k fd can liao ah

ok i go ask haha

thanks!

cos i read 250k pa i not so imba jus a normal 打工仔

 

[Luc777]

StanChart with their Priority VI (blue colour) comes with Unlimited PP.

this one needs to be their pb customer right

we only got the 3 local banks pb for now nia

and also sorry for derailing the thread

 

[phelyk]

I just received a OCBC Voyage mailer offering 3 voyage miles with every S$1 spent overseas from now to 31 Dec. This is the second time I have received this in a year.

I suspect this is a targeted offer, since I did put a overseas use notification for my upcoming trip later this month. For the earlier offer, it was sent to me in the June-July period, and the 3 miles offer period cover the period I traveled in July and had placed a overseas use notification in July as well.

Anyone with a Voyage received this offer this year? Did the offer period correspond closely with your overseas use notification period as well?

 

[Tiger9119]

Tried to redeem business class ticket using voyage miles but it seems that voyage miles are worth as low as 0.005cts (half a cent). I was quoted VM63,600 + VM14100 for a ticket that cost SGD1369 + SGD70.13(tax & surcharges). I know I can opt to pay the tax & surcharges in cash and I will get krisflyer miles(1766) for the travel. Krisflyer redemption ticket requires 40,000 miles + SGD70.13.

$1369/63,600=0.0215cts vs Krisflyer redemption $1369/40,000=0.0342cts
$70.13/14,100=0.00497cts

Also found out that Voyage Exchange is handled by a 3rd party company. Maybe they did add in handling fee to the cost of the ticket??

 

[jermss]

i did a redemption recently and via Krisflyer it was 160000 miles for two tickets which Voyage card matched for 160000 miles for the same tickets. in return i get krisflyer miles on my account.

 

[lalaisgongon]

i did a redemption recently and via Krisflyer it was 160000 miles for two tickets which Voyage card matched for 160000 miles for the same tickets. in return i get krisflyer miles on my account.

Woah!

Could you share more details ?

Whats the routing? dates? Class?

 

[jermss]

Woah!

Could you share more details ?

Whats the routing? dates? Class?

Sure! I am traveling to Los Angeles on SQ in economy class.

also, they offered me 3k cash top up per passenger to upgrade to us to biz class also.. .i didnt want.. 6k can do a lot of shopping in US. haha

 

[lalaisgongon]

Sure! I am traveling to Los Angeles on SQ in economy class.

also, they offered me 3k cash top up per passenger to upgrade to us to biz class also.. .i didnt want.. 6k can do a lot of shopping in US. haha

Actually! its 38*2 way * 2 pax = 152k miles for the Singapore to LA since LA is on the west coast.

So your ticket dollar values 1667 or 2797 per ticket or 3334 SGD or 5594 SGD for two tickets

Value Per Mile
3334/160,000 =2.08 cents per mile
or
5594/160,000 = 3.49625 Cent per mile.

Given that they sell 15,000 miles for 488. or 3.2 Cents per mile.
or 150,000 miles for 3210 or 2.14 Cents per mile

Taking most optimistic valuation means you purchase miles (150k@ 3210) at 2.14 Cents per mile but uses it for a value of 3.49 cents per mile (Flexi Ticket). You saved 1.3cent per mile or 2170 dollars

Taking the most pessimistic valuation you purchase miles (15k @ 488) at 3.2 cents per mile but uses it for value of 2.08 Cents means you are in the lost of 1.1Cent or -1871

Taking the most realistic valuation you bought the cheapest miles required (150k @3210) at 2.14 Cents a mile but uses it for a value of 2.08 Cents ( Cheapest ticket to LA on sia) you are at a lost of 0.06 cents.

just my two cents!

Btw these pricing are the ones i pull from sq website on random dates, i am sure there more expensive tickets and cheaper ones at the same time.

You might (imo) have been better off buying a discounted SIA ticket during a sale and using for example a hsbc advance credit card with 2.5% rebate.

 

[jermss]

thanks for the calculation, but i blur sotong one la.

what i am saying is from spending, i had 160k voyager miles but i dont have 160k krisflyer miles.. so i just use my 160k voyager miles to book my trip.

if i used krisflyer saver to book my tickets.. my trip wont be able to claim mileage but for voyager i still get mileage.

makes sense?

 

[elnewbie]

What he's trying to say is that you could have gotten better value by buying a commercial ticket instead of using the Voyager miles.

thanks for the calculation, but i blur sotong one la.

what i am saying is from spending, i had 160k voyager miles but i dont have 160k krisflyer miles.. so i just use my 160k voyager miles to book my trip.

if i used krisflyer saver to book my tickets.. my trip wont be able to claim mileage but for voyager i still get mileage.

makes sense?

 

[Tiger9119]

I just received a OCBC Voyage mailer offering 3 voyage miles with every S$1 spent overseas from now to 31 Dec. This is the second time I have received this in a year.

I suspect this is a targeted offer, since I did put a overseas use notification for my upcoming trip later this month. For the earlier offer, it was sent to me in the June-July period, and the 3 miles offer period cover the period I traveled in July and had placed a overseas use notification in July as well.

Anyone with a Voyage received this offer this year? Did the offer period correspond closely with your overseas use notification period as well?

I did not received this promo, I am still getting 2.3miles/$ for my recent overseas spent (19Nov).

 

[louist]

I haven't set notification for overseas usage yet and they've sent me the targeted offer too. Feel like it's just peak travel periods (around Jun & Dec school holidays). Not sure how they identify people to target, though!

I just received a OCBC Voyage mailer offering 3 voyage miles with every S$1 spent overseas from now to 31 Dec. This is the second time I have received this in a year.

I suspect this is a targeted offer, since I did put a overseas use notification for my upcoming trip later this month. For the earlier offer, it was sent to me in the June-July period, and the 3 miles offer period cover the period I traveled in July and had placed a overseas use notification in July as well.

Anyone with a Voyage received this offer this year? Did the offer period correspond closely with your overseas use notification period as well?

 

[final1]

Please correct me if i am wrong.

So for this card, it is:

15,000 miles, $488 first year fee.

25,000 miles, $488 renewal.

Is this right? Ignoring other options presented.

 

[Tiger9119]

Please correct me if i am wrong.

So for this card, it is:

15,000 miles, $488 first year fee.

25,000 miles, $488 renewal.

Is this right? Ignoring other options presented.

I believe you still get 15,000 voyage miles for renewal.

 

[chesterchen]

From 1 January 2018, OCBC VOYAGE Cardmembers will earn 1.6 VOYAGE Miles for every S$1 spent on local dining and 1.2 VOYAGE Miles for every S$1 spent on local retail transactions. Cardmembers will continue to earn 2.3 VOYAGE Miles for every S$1 equivalent charged in foreign currency.

 

[final1]

What little advantage this card had will be gone. Not worth the annual fee anymore.

 

[louist]

I recently (early Dec) asked for a VM quotation for SQ flight and was offered essentially a 1.1-1.3¢ per VM value (based on revenue fares available on SQ website).

Don't see why I'd ever opt to exercise that - even if I'm actually desperate and can't afford to risk the SQ waitlist, it probably makes more sense to pay in cash instead? Converting VM to KF will potentially unlock far greater value.

 

[Tiger9119]

I recently (early Dec) asked for a VM quotation for SQ flight and was offered essentially a 1.1-1.3¢ per VM value (based on revenue fares available on SQ website).

Don't see why I'd ever opt to exercise that - even if I'm actually desperate and can't afford to risk the SQ waitlist, it probably makes more sense to pay in cash instead? Converting VM to KF will potentially unlock far greater value.

Unless you are redeeming first or business class for long haul or maybe medium haul routes if not it is not worth to redeem using VM. I tried to redeem business class tickets on Silkair and I found that it is better to transfer to krisflyer.

Recently I tried to redeem 150,000VM for regional travel and I found out that the VM is only worth SG$3400. If I transfer VM to Krisflyer miles and the miles will worth up to SG$5060 for regional route. I understand I have to forgo the PPS/Krisflyer miles accrual.

Voyage Miles is operated/handled by John Paul. They are majority (80%) owned by Accor Hotels.

 

[louist]

Thought I'd just share my working here for how I evaluated their quotations. Found that each VM was only valued at 1.1-1.3¢, regardless of whether Y, PY or J. That seems really low, especially since some people (e.g. you!) have previously shared valuation of at least 2¢ per VM.

If anyone knows of cases where VM can be worth even more, pls share! Currently I still find it only makes sense if converting to KF for redemption.

SIN-BNE SQ235 (specific date in Feb 2018)
BNE-SIN SQ236 (specific date in Feb 2018)

Revenue price (as of 6 Dec)
Y: $1,550.90 ($900.90 for other flights on the same day)
PY: $1,510.90
J: $3,760.90

KF Award (although mostly waitlisted for outbound flight at this point)
Y: 56,000 + $160.90 (2.48¢ per mile. 1.32¢ per mile if based on cheapest ticket available for day.)
PY: 90,000 + $160.90 (1.5¢ per mile)
J: 116,000 + $160.90 (3.10¢ per mile)

VM Award (as of 5 Dec) - not taking into account miles earned
Y: 107,400 + $174.25 (1.28¢ per mile)
PY: 107,400 + $174.25 (1.24¢ per mile)
J: 107,400 + $2,558.43 (1.12¢ per mile)

Unless you are redeeming first or business class for long haul or maybe medium haul routes if not it is not worth to redeem using VM.

 

[newdestoria]

If after 1st year and cc charged annual fee for 2nd year, can cancel the card without paying annual fee?