CPF Easy Info Thread. :)

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https://www.cpf.gov.sg/members/FAQ/schemes/Retirement/CPF-LIFE/FAQDetails?category=Retirement&group=CPF%20LIFE&folderid=11663&ajfaqid=2186389
He can try to talk an CPF officer

but I didnt know if you top up the RA after you opt for CPF LIFE, it will be auto counted as additional premium for CPF life :s11::s11:

I tot must apply again
 

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For those who want to know how much cash will be top up their parent OA/SA account

use this method


1. Log in to my cpf Online Services with your father's SingPass at cpf.gov.sg
2. Click on "My Statement".
3. Scroll down to "Section C" and click on "Property".
4. Select "I wish to view My Public Housing Withdrawal Details".
5. Refer to "Footnotes"
 

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Anyway hoh, what is the benefit to leave more money in the cpf after 65? Because the money inside will not generate interest. The only advantage is you can live longer which the total withdrawal more than the money you leave on 65.
 
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Anyway hoh, what is the benefit to leave more money in the cpf after 65? Because the money inside will not generate interest. The only advantage is you can live longer which the total withdrawal more than the money you leave on 65.

Money inside CPF will always generate interest no matter the age Bro homedriver... :(
 

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Money inside CPF will always generate interest no matter the age Bro homedriver... :(

https://www.areyouready.sg/YourInfoHub/Pages/News-Understanding-riskpooling-How-CPF-LIFE-secures-a-lifelong-income-for-you.aspx

The interest earned on the annuity premiums is shared among all CPF *LIFE members. This pool of interest goes towards ensuring that you receive your monthly payouts for life — even after your RA savings have been used up!

Means interest you earn is put in the pool. Unless you live Long enough to enjoy the pool, else the interest is never your?
 
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https://www.areyouready.sg/YourInfoHub/Pages/News-Understanding-riskpooling-How-CPF-LIFE-secures-a-lifelong-income-for-you.aspx

The interest earned on the annuity premiums is shared among all CPF *LIFE members. This pool of interest goes towards ensuring that you receive your monthly payouts for life — even after your RA savings have been used up!

Means interest you earn is put in the pool. Unless you live Long enough to enjoy the pool, else the interest is never your?
Yeap. CPF Life is better for ppl who live longer lives.

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Anyway hoh, what is the benefit to leave more money in the cpf after 65? Because the money inside will not generate interest. The only advantage is you can live longer which the total withdrawal more than the money you leave on 65.
The second sentence is false and misleading as you wrote it. All CPF dollars earn interest for every whole calendar month on deposit as long as the member is alive. Your share of interest in the CPF Lifelong Income Fund pays for (extremely nicely priced) longevity insurance, to guarantee that you won’t outlive your savings. The higher your Retirement Account balance, the bigger your monthly CPF LIFE retirement benefit, for the rest of your life.

By the way, you can start CPF LIFE payouts as late as age 70, and that’s the default. You have to choose age 65, or any age before age 70, if that’s what you want.
 
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https://www.areyouready.sg/YourInfoHub/Pages/News-Understanding-riskpooling-How-CPF-LIFE-secures-a-lifelong-income-for-you.aspx

The interest earned on the annuity premiums is shared among all CPF *LIFE members. This pool of interest goes towards ensuring that you receive your monthly payouts for life — even after your RA savings have been used up!

Means interest you earn is put in the pool. Unless you live Long enough to enjoy the pool, else the interest is never your?

any monkeys can write and post something on the internet.

what is posted is only two-thirds right. it is correct if you choose cpf life escalating or standard.

it is wrong if you choose cpf life basic. 80% of your ra will stay in your ra. this 80% will continue to earn interest exclusively for yourself
 

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Means is correct the interest is in the pool and not belong to you.

it depends on how you look at it.

it is like buying car insurance. if you dont crash your car, the premium belongs to others that crash theirs, and the insurance companies. but if you crash yours, you claim back all of your premium, including that that is paid by others

if you die early, you lose all the interest, the interest belongs to those that wont die. but if you die very old, then you claim back all your interest including wat the rest of the people paid.

it is whether you believe in risk pooling and insurance.
 

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The second sentence is false and misleading as you wrote it. All CPF dollars earn interest for every whole calendar month on deposit as long as the member is alive. Your share of interest in the CPF Lifelong Income Fund pays for (extremely nicely priced) longevity insurance, to guarantee that you won’t outlive your savings. The higher your Retirement Account balance, the bigger your monthly CPF LIFE retirement benefit, for the rest of your life.

By the way, you can start CPF LIFE payouts as late as age 70, and that’s the default. You have to choose age 65, or any age before age 70, if that’s what you want.

Yes. But again the interest is in the pool and not belong to me. When I pass away, my family will only get the capital balance?

For example:
30000 in the account on 65.
1 year cpf pay me 3000.
Pass away on 7th year. My family will only get the balance of 9000.
Whatever interest earn in the First 7th year will remain in the pool.
 

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Depends on when you pass away. On average the amount you receive will be equivalent to what you would get with the usual 4+% interest. If you live longer than average, you will get even more.
 

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Yes. But again the interest is in the pool and not belong to me. When I pass away, my family will only get the capital balance?

For example:
30000 in the account on 65.
1 year cpf pay me 3000.
Pass away on 7th year. My family will only get the balance of 9000.
Whatever interest earn in the First 7th year will remain in the pool.

If you opt for standard or escalating plan with higher payout, all money in RA will move out and hence there is no interest (on CPF balance) to speak of.

If you want your RA to continue earning interest, go for basic plan, with lower payout.
 

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Yes. But again the interest is in the pool and not belong to me.
You have claims on all dollars you've deposited (and deposited on your behalf), including accrued interest -- including claims on your share of the CPF Lifelong Income Fund. Your claim specifically on the CPF Lifelong Income Fund takes the form of a (most excellently priced) life annuity.

All CPF dollars attract interest, and all your valid claims are yours.

Your CPF nominee(s) is(are) not you. They have valid claims only after you die, and those claims can be a little different than yours were.

If you want your nominee(s) to receive a certain amount of wealth, there's an easy solution: hand it to them, now! (Why make them wait?) It's much, MUCH easier to hand them a larger pile of wealth immediately when you have a AAA-rated government-guaranteed income for life.
 

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All CPF dollars attract interest .... up to the time before you commence CPFL payout. Thereafter, it depends on the life plan choosen.
 

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All CPF dollars attract interest .... up to the time before you commence CPFL payout. Thereafter, it depends on the life plan choosen.
No, all CPF dollars earn interest. That includes your claim on the CPF Lifelong Income fund which is structured as a life annuity payout. If interest were not paid on those dollars too, then you'd be especially unhappy with the resulting life annuity calculation.

The behavior of the life annuity (how long it pays) depends on lifespan.
 

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This is correct?
30000 in the account on 65.
1 year cpf pay me 3000.
Pass away on 7th year. My family will only get the balance of 9000.
Whatever interest earn in the First 7th year will remain in the pool.
 

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No, all CPF dollars earn interest. That includes your claim on the CPF Lifelong Income fund which is structured as a life annuity payout. If interest were not paid on those dollars too, then you'd be especially unhappy with the resulting life annuity calculation.

The behavior of the life annuity (how long it pays) depends on lifespan.

You will enjoy the interest if you live longer that your initial capital is finish. This also means the family will not get anything when we pass away?
 

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You will enjoy the interest if you live longer that your initial capital is finish.
You're confusing interest with longevity insurance.

I'll repeat, for the umpteenth time -- and it is quite simple, really: interest is paid on all CPF dollars. That includes OA, MA, SA, RA, and the CPF Lifelong Income Fund. As long as you're alive, and for whole calendar months, all interest is paid per CPF's published interest rate schedule.

What your CPF Retirement Account buys is longevity insurance, a life annuity, called CPF LIFE. Whatever portion is allocated to the CPF Lifelong Income Fund still earns interest, and that interest is fully baked into your monthly payment for life. Your life annuity payout claim on the CPF Lifelong Income fund is fully interest inclusive.

OK, so that's what your RA principal and interest buys: a longevity insurance policy, a superb one -- the biggest monthly payout per premium dollar available in Singapore. Now, your longevity insurance policy (CPF LIFE) will then vary in how many months of retirement income it pays to you and how much residual is left (if any). That'll depend on when you start payouts and when you die.

You've repeatedly expressed that you're concerned about your heirs. That's great! It's wonderful you care about them so much. So let me offer some really important advice for how you can help your loved ones:

(a) Insofar as possible, avoid being a financial burden on them.

(b) Insofar as possible, financially help them as early as you can. Don't make them wait until you're gone, when investments in them would be ill-timed or even useless. If somebody needs help to pay a university tuition bill in 2022, don't make them wait until 2032 when they're 10 years older to pay for university. That'd be awful.

Do you know how you can solve both (a) and (b)? Buy at least enough longevity insurance, including especially the policy that provides the highest monthly payout per premium dollars: CPF LIFE. (You're required to buy a little if you can afford it and if you maintain a right of abode in Singapore.) With longevity insurance you are guaranteed you won't outlive your savings. You won't ever be a financial burden to your heirs as long as you can survive on your life annuity income, and you can give away up to every other dollar of wealth you have right now, to whomever you wish, without fear of falling below a certain standard of living. If you love your heirs, and I assume you do, then that's the very best way you can be more generous sooner.
 
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