[GVGT] Jamus Lim and Josephine Teo debate effectiveness of Singapore's Employment, S Pass measures

[gundam9]

cannot under estimate WP IB. they can talk as good as ****. i am impress.

Maybe u shld brush up ur england first

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[zuppeur]

When jamus comparing 35k people vs 9k
Is he referring to some official numbers?
Or just for comparison sake

 

[Eureka75]

Dr Jamus Lim is definitely more minister quality than that bitch. She is good for doing blow jobs only

This breakdown of the exchange between jamus and jo really shows something is badly off.

How did she get the post?

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[freshsoapsmell]

PAP MPs have had a very easy life in parleement for the pass 20-30 years by going thru motion

literally pass motion for past 20-30 years.

 

[laalaaland]

Will all the **** talents be shitting in their pants now?

 

[cute_togepi]

When jamus comparing 35k people vs 9k
Is he referring to some official numbers?
Or just for comparison sake

Just an example of why percentages are misleading.

 

[looney_saint]

Actually I kind of agree with Jo Teo. It is short-sighted to only look at S pass and EP numbers. There is really no point. There must be a systemic change in terms of why our own people cannot secure jobs in those positions. Is low salary foreigners the cause? Then fix the salary gap. Is skill deficiency the cause? Then train and provide incentive for employers to groom its people.

Protectionist stance will only weaken its people. Look at Malaysia, having quota for uni positions, government positions etc. It has caused their people to be lazy and complacent just because of birthright.

I think you got it wrong. Malaysia protect a race and not their citizens. Even bangaladeshi has better rights than Malaysian Chinese.

Secondly, companies always say Singaporeans got too much expectation. Need higher pay. Actually, the real reason is pay. Expectation is expected just like companies expect their staff to be a slave. If there is no MOM you think there is fairness in employment? There is always this tussle between employer and employee expectation. Just that employers are finding themselves losing hence need to find easier pray. Stop deluding yourself.

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[havetheveryfun]

When jamus comparing 35k people vs 9k
Is he referring to some official numbers?
Or just for comparison sake

is numbers from here but think not related:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...companies-singaporean-core-weakening-13071218

"Between 2014 and 2019, the number of Employment Pass and S Pass holders grew on average by fewer than 9,000 annually, compared with the average annual growth of 30,400 in between 2009 and 2014.

In comparison, the number of locals in professionals, managers, executives and technicians (PMETs) jobs rose by an average of about 35,000 annually between 2014 and 2019, said Mrs Teo."

 

[laopokcar_g]

Will all the **** talents be shitting in their pants now?

They are probably thinking:
"fk yeah, she's the reason why we get to be here! You go girl!"

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[tokiya]

Dr Jamus Lim is definitely more minister quality than that bitch. She is good for doing blow jobs only

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[redorangeyellow]

we need more of jamus lim in the parliament. we REALLY need people to QUESTION the ruling party of such policies. we DESPERATELY need it.

but then again sinkies are still going to vote for them so no point.

 

[Psman78]

I read and listen a few times of Josephine Teo response to Jamus and still cannot figure out what she is trying to say. Sigh!

 

[zensushi]

There must be a systemic change in terms of why our own people cannot secure jobs in those positions.

No desire from the top to allow locals to compete fairly.

In pursuing the "global city" accolade, we Singaporeans have been brusquely brushed aside in favour of foreign "talents".

Dissension fermenting; backlash incoming...

 

[havetheveryfun]

Actually I kind of agree with Jo Teo. It is short-sighted to only look at S pass and EP numbers. There is really no point. There must be a systemic change in terms of why our own people cannot secure jobs in those positions. Is low salary foreigners the cause? Then fix the salary gap. Is skill deficiency the cause? Then train and provide incentive for employers to groom its people.

Protectionist stance will only weaken its people. Look at Malaysia, having quota for uni positions, government positions etc. It has caused their people to be lazy and complacent just because of birthright.

The real reason is because some foreigners will do everything in their power to bring in their whole kampung into the company if they have the chance to. Nothing to do with skills, salary, etc at all.

This kind of reason, of course there must be some policies in place to prevent this ?

 

[laopokcar_g]

� I read and listen a few times of Josephine Teo response to Jamus and still cannot figure out what she is trying to say. Sigh!

You cannot make something out of nothing, unless you're a certain party mudslinging another party

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[Travis_Touchdown]

Finally... Finally we can see serious debates going on... Rather than all those dozing off in there or even absent...

 

[SMLJMIW]

They are all globalists.

They share this strong belief that we need to continuously absorb foreigners in order to create jobs for Singaporeans.

Absorbing foreigners is like printing money. The more you print, the fewer things the next paper dollar can buy. Eventually the dollar will buy nothing. Very simple concept but ministars can't seem to understand it.

They have no long term solution for the mess we are in.

 

[kamhwee72]

Will all the **** talents be shitting in their pants now?

They dont need to worry.

They just need to do these 2 things to circumvent the new clauses.

1. HR will increase a higher cashback or cash route to qualify for the higher minimum income requirement for SP and EP.

2. HR will prepare all the required reasons and excuses (standard templates) needed to prove to MOM that the job application can only be filled by a foreign expert of their choice of course emphasising on the fact that the coy may leave the country altogether if this option is not fulfilled.

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[havetheveryfun]

They are all globalists.

They share this strong belief that we need to continuously absorb foreigners in order to create jobs for Singaporeans.

Absorbing foreigners is like printing money. The more you print, the fewer things the next paper dollar can buy. Eventually the dollar will buy nothing. Very simple concept but ministars can't seem to understand it.

They have no long term solution for the mess we are in.

saying they need foreigners to create jobs for sinkies is just an excuse to placate sinkies

the real reason is as u said, printing money , taking the easy way out to increase gdp growth by increasing amount of working popn instead of boosting productivity per worker

 

[Travis_Touchdown]

Actually I kind of agree with Jo Teo. It is short-sighted to only look at S pass and EP numbers. There is really no point. There must be a systemic change in terms of why our own people cannot secure jobs in those positions. Is low salary foreigners the cause? Then fix the salary gap. Is skill deficiency the cause? Then train and provide incentive for employers to groom its people.

Protectionist stance will only weaken its people. Look at Malaysia, having quota for uni positions, government positions etc. It has caused their people to be lazy and complacent just because of birthright.

It's because of "unconscious bias" mentioned by another smart aleck in another thread rahz!!!