Saving Private Ryan's omaha beach landing scene

[kgluong]

Why did the US even bother to fight another continent's war?

Because japan bombed pearl harbor destroying most of US pacific fleet. A few days after pearl harbor Germany declared war on the usa.

 

[kgluong]

They did naval bombardment prior to the beach landing, but they did not plan adequately..

The beach was fortified. Heavy Bombardment of the defender were carrier out by the allies. Navy guns went dried, that's how much allies were shells hitting the defenders. You also have aircraft dropping bombs.

https://ospreypublishing.com/blog/Naval_Bombardment_on_D-Day?___store=osprey_usa

 

[KENNNL]

not really a war-war movie but i enjoyed and rewatched a few times..

and this movie introduces me to Christoph Waltz. i think he is a super solid actor...

 

[kgluong]

any more war movies worth rewatching?

The best ww2 movies were made in the 60s and 70s.

Battle of the bulge
Enemy at the gates
A bridge too far
The bridge on the river kwai
Kelly's heroes
The guns of navarone
Memphis bell
Patton
The dirty dozen
Tora! Tora! Tora!
U-571
Where eagle dare

 

[Super Nintendo]

Ok

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[hardwaregone]

Learning history from Hollywood movies and don't pay attention to the actual events can easily make you misunderstood what really happened.

The Germans during ww2 were much more frightened of the Soviets than the Americans. The fact is Germany sent their best Wermacht to the Eastern front against the Slavics who kept coming like zombies. The soviet leadership was total sh/t. Soldiers were poorly equipped, poorly trained but they kept coming in huge numbers. They die in the millions, the number of soviet military deaths is almost ten times the casualties of us + Germany. To attempt breaking the soviets spirit, for every German soldier killed, the German would kill 50 soviet pow or civilians. Doesn't work as the soviets don't give a ******* ****. The hungry soviets, were known to cook the German pow to eat, the Germans were even more afraid. Bloody and crazy like hell.

Matter of fact, the German army sent to fight the Americans at Normandy were mostly German's reserve units. So some historians question the success of the battle. Majority of the German best military units were having showdown with the soviets. When the soviets were fighting against Germany, the German army were at the prime with strong morale, well trained and well equipped. When the Americans were fighting, the Germans were already starting to lose. It was the soviets who made the first German Marshal to surrender and locked up alot of the German's resources and military in the eastern front. If Hitler did not underestimate the soviets and declared war against them, things could be very different.

One of the crazy battle for the Americans should be the battle of Okinawa where they meet the relentless Japanese troops. Iirc USA had 500k versus japs 100k. 90 over percent of the japs died, they fought all the way.

No German troops landed on America soil Iirc. Casualties at home is at the minimal. All fights were on foreign soil. This is very witty. Even today, USA has a approach to try shifting main battleground to other countries.

 

[mirestige]

Why did the US even bother to fight another continent's war?

The 2 WW is what gives US their super power status.

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[mirestige]

Learning history from Hollywood movies and don't pay attention to the actual events can easily make you misunderstood what really happened.

The Germans during ww2 were much more frightened of the Soviets than the Americans. The fact is Germany sent their best Wermacht to the Eastern front against the Slavics who kept coming like zombies. The soviet leadership was total sh/t. Soldiers were poorly equipped, poorly trained but they kept coming in huge numbers. They die in the millions, the number of soviet military deaths is almost ten times the casualties of us + Germany. To attempt breaking the soviets spirit, for every German soldier killed, the German would kill 50 soviet pow or civilians. Doesn't work as the soviets don't give a ******* ****. The hungry soviets, were known to cook the German pow to eat, the Germans were even more afraid. Bloody and crazy like hell.

Matter of fact, the German army sent to fight the Americans at Normandy were mostly German's reserve units. So some historians question the success of the battle. Majority of the German best military units were having showdown with the soviets. When the soviets were fighting against Germany, the German army were at the prime with strong morale, well trained and well equipped. When the Americans were fighting, the Germans were already starting to lose. It was the soviets who made the first German Marshal to surrender and locked up alot of the German's resources and military in the eastern front. If Hitler did not underestimate the soviets and declared war against them, things could be very different.

One of the crazy battle for the Americans should be the battle of Okinawa where they meet the relentless Japanese troops. Iirc USA had 500k versus japs 100k. 90 over percent of the japs died, they fought all the way.

No German troops landed on America soil Iirc. Casualties at home is at the minimal. All fights were on foreign soil. This is very witty. Even today, USA has a approach to try shifting main battleground to other countries.

What stopped the Germans from conquering Soviets is the relentless cold weather. And offcourse the mass bodies the Soviet throws at the Germans to drag the battle on.

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[Seah.tt]

how dafug they go war with helmets unsrapped

 

[fishbuff]

The best ww2 movies were made in the 60s and 70s.

Battle of the bulge
Enemy at the gates
A bridge too far
The bridge on the river kwai
Kelly's heroes
The guns of navarone
Memphis bell
Patton
The dirty dozen
Tora! Tora! Tora!
U-571
Where eagle dare

I remembered there are several movies made by the pommies about the Lancaster dam buster and the mosquito planes. In the latter film, they intentionally destroyed one of the vintage plane too

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[chromehead]

france's red zones, worth a read

https://www.messynessychic.com/2015...nce-a-forbidden-no-mans-land-poisoned-by-war/

 

[kgluong]

I remembered there are several movies made by the pommies about the Lancaster dam buster and the mosquito planes. In the latter film, they intentionally destroyed one of the vintage plane too

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The movie is called the dam busters.

 

[tankgunner]

reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/46d5yo/in_wwii_movies_american_soldiers_are_almost_never/

and this:

yeah ******* salute them man

how dafug they go war with helmets unsrapped

i asked the same question and someone posted the answer above.

 

[CSNation]

Satki sleep well

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[Soulhacker]

Learning history from Hollywood movies and don't pay attention to the actual events can easily make you misunderstood what really happened.

The Germans during ww2 were much more frightened of the Soviets than the Americans. The fact is Germany sent their best Wermacht to the Eastern front against the Slavics who kept coming like zombies. The soviet leadership was total sh/t. Soldiers were poorly equipped, poorly trained but they kept coming in huge numbers. They die in the millions, the number of soviet military deaths is almost ten times the casualties of us + Germany. To attempt breaking the soviets spirit, for every German soldier killed, the German would kill 50 soviet pow or civilians. Doesn't work as the soviets don't give a ******* ****. The hungry soviets, were known to cook the German pow to eat, the Germans were even more afraid. Bloody and crazy like hell.

Matter of fact, the German army sent to fight the Americans at Normandy were mostly German's reserve units. So some historians question the success of the battle. Majority of the German best military units were having showdown with the soviets. When the soviets were fighting against Germany, the German army were at the prime with strong morale, well trained and well equipped. When the Americans were fighting, the Germans were already starting to lose. It was the soviets who made the first German Marshal to surrender and locked up alot of the German's resources and military in the eastern front. If Hitler did not underestimate the soviets and declared war against them, things could be very different.

One of the crazy battle for the Americans should be the battle of Okinawa where they meet the relentless Japanese troops. Iirc USA had 500k versus japs 100k. 90 over percent of the japs died, they fought all the way.

No German troops landed on America soil Iirc. Casualties at home is at the minimal. All fights were on foreign soil. This is very witty. Even today, USA has a approach to try shifting main battleground to other countries.

To be fair some of the German army choices at that time ish bo bian one. Not that they no want to deploy elite troops but most either already up lorry and\or still tie up in the eastern front. Cum Hitler ish the one who ish kiasee and also an idiot never follow his military generals best advise and choose to horde the elite tanks for himself than to deploy to western front that why the general in-charge also ish llst.

 

[hardwaregone]

What stopped the Germans from conquering Soviets is the relentless cold weather. And offcourse the mass bodies the Soviet throws at the Germans to drag the battle on.

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To be fair some of the German army choices at that time ish bo bian one. Not that they no want to deploy elite troops but most either already up lorry and\or still tie up in the eastern front. Cum Hitler ish the one who ish kiasee and also an idiot never follow his military generals best advise and choose to horde the elite tanks for himself than to deploy to western front that why the general in-charge also ish llst.

The cold weather did halt Germany's Operation Barbarossa from taking over Soviet union fully in 1941. However, Germany did took over a vast amount of land(about 90%) and countless soviet POW.

So the idea was if the weather was better, Germany would had won and they did waited till summer before launching a more deadly attack. Then there should be no excuses. That's the Battle of Stalingrad in August 1942, it was urban warfare and the Soviets were popping up from no where attacking from all directions. They keep coming and fought a Rat War, the warm did not made it better. The best of the Wermacht still could not penetrate in. That's where Hitler saw his first major defeat, his first marshall surrendered, his unstoppable Blitzkrieg was halted, morale starts to drop. The Soviets instead won the battle of Stalingrad.
At that time Hitler already knew that that the allies may arrive at the western coast, so they been building the Wall of Atlantic for about 2-3 years to counter the incoming allies troops that may appear at anytime.

But as mentioned earlier, the German's attention was more fixated on the crazy Slavs in the East who were coming non stop with crappy tanks and he also desperately needs their oil.
To illustrate this, despite knowing about the possibility of the allies invading from the West. Hitler still made the decision to shift a lot of his best troops from the Western coast to the Eastern front against Stalin. Germany already wasted a lot of troops and time there and Hitler with this advisors knew it might not work but he still chose to shift the troops there. You can tell the fear in Hitler of the Slavs razing his land being worse than the West. So there's probably an underlying reason on how he decides to deploy his Panzers.
This means that in the west where D day happened, was left with only a few Panzer divisions. Alot of the German troops stationed on the Wall of Atlantic fighting the Allies were actually Soviet POW, old and injured Nazis and last min round ups.

During the attack of Normandy, another major flop was a few of their German key appointment holders were MIA. Hitler went to sleep and ignored, their key comander iirc took leave to celebrate his wife's BD and a few others don't know went where. So D day could be much worse as they were against a headless chicken. The wall of Atlantic was actually breached in minutes, not really that drama. So D day wasn't IMO the most important battle that changed the course of events and definitely not the most spectacular. The Americans came after the Nazis were mostly dead or tired with the crazy Slavs. That's another witty part of the Americans, non intervention until the best timing arrives.

D day happened in 1944, it was after major losses the German suffered in the meatgrinders at the Eastern Front. The Soviets killed the most German soldiers in WW2. IIRC out of every 11 Nazis casualties, 7 were killed by the Slavs. Hitler totally underestimated Soviet Union. They were shocked when they realised that the Slavs could pump out 1500 lousy tanks a month, another reason why they think Stalingard must be taken. Not that the Soviet did great, their commanders were sh/t but they definitely did the most sacrifice. That's probably one of the reasons why the Slavs were so pissed with the Americans after the WW2 for taking all the credits and calling all the shots.

 

[Stealth_PL]

This beach landing probably won’t even happen if German took out the retreating ally forces at Dunkirk

If German never fell for the fake army trick and fortified the wrong coast the beach landing might not be so successful

Really is everything must swee swee happen to result in this ally victory

 

[evq]

This beach landing probably won’t even happen if German took out the retreating ally forces at Dunkirk

If German never fell for the fake army trick and fortified the wrong coast the beach landing might not be so successful

Really is everything must swee swee happen to result in this ally victory

Not only this, there were quite a few cases when the axis just Suay, eg midway battle. I feel that God was helping the ally somehow

 

[Itsnotfunny]

That's quite a simplified version of events.

In reality, the Germans had a clear idea that an attack may come from Normandy. The idea behind their defense was to use the seawall as a holding mechanism, while panzer was mobilised from beyond Allies bombardment range.

Don’t think so. German fell into Allies decoy. Calais was deemed to be the landing site all along with massive troops deployed earlier on the opposite bank. Allies also used dummy tanks and soldiers to fool the German surveillance. Panzer units were totally out of position chasing the Allied airborne troops all over the shop. They were also cut off later from behind.

 

[Itsnotfunny]

What stopped the Germans from conquering Soviets is the relentless cold weather. And offcourse the mass bodies the Soviet throws at the Germans to drag the battle on.

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Stalingard was the turning point. German was stalled for months there and not made progress taking a toll on their supply lines and worn out troops. Winter killed them there. Hitler stubbornness to take Stalingard which they can easily avoid to cross the Volga river at other crossing points to march east.