[CONSOLIDATED] Israel & Palestine Hamas conflict updates [History Discussion and stirring against any religion NOT ALLOWED]

Who’s fault is it that Palestine are suffering/dying now

  • Israel

    Votes: 116 15.6%

  • Hamas

    Votes: 518 69.6%

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just happen to be there to kway sio most likely tio stucked there after their naval exercise in Oman yet got no intention to evacuate their people. hope they get out b4 it get congested when the Eisenhower battle group reached
 
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eclipsemints said:
1) First of all, I merely stated my opinions on the matter. To set the record straight, I am not convinced of anything yet, it still could be Hamas's fault, it still could be Israeli's fault. Just that Israel's very own account is very shady and not to mention self contradicting.

2) You should add one more, Air burst Munitions. Which Israel does have.

3) For a credible news agency that is highly factual, I believe they will not stoop down to uneducated wild guesses without facts to back it up. Which you are implying that they are.

Instead they should do proper research and gather all the information available to put together a clear and concise report which they had done.

4) So you are saying since there is no independent and neutral party in the world we should believe in the most parroted news available? Especially now from a country which had consistently lied to the press on almost everything?
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1. You seem to be saying things that do not accurate convey what you mean. You said that you are not convinced. But yet, you drew two picture to prove your point that it's not possible for the explosions to happen behind the path of the rockets.

2. Well, if an air burst munition had went off, it would had resulted in broken windows and leave behind shrapnel marks on the buildings and parking lots. No evidence of that. Air burst munition would not had caused the fireball either. But let's assume that was a fuel air explosive, but if it's a FAE, windows would be blown out and there would be indications of a point of detonation radiating outwards.

3. Now you are the one introducing the label of channel 4 stooping down to uneducated wild guesses. I did not say nor mean that, but if that's what you think, good by me.

Assessments may be made in good faith and turn out to be incorrect. There are different theories by different credible aviation experts around the world over the disappearances of MH370. One of them could be right, or it could turn out that all of them are wrong. But that don't by default earn them the label of uneducated wild guesses. And I certainly did not imply that. I worry for your penchant to jump to illogical conclusions.

4. I certainly did not say that we should believe the most parroted news available because there is no independent and neutral party in the world. First let me correct you by pointing out that you said independent and totally neutral organisation or persons. Note the operative word totally, which you conveniently omitted when you responded to me. Next, I did not allude that we should believe the most "parroted news", which by the way is a term you introduced and I did not say that. My point is very clear. There is no such a thing as totally neutral organization. We can term an organization as generally neutral, claimed to be neutral, largely neutral, by and far neutral. But totally neutral? Name me one.

You had on numerous occasions claimed that people are putting words in your mouth. But what I see instead is that you are creatively and/or wrongly reading into what people actually meant, and putting words and claims into their mouths instead. This is concerning.
 
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Ethan_ said:
Erm, observer perhaps, 那里凉快那里坐? :s22:
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lol really just happen to be there to play basketball. hope they get out soon if not the angmoh 2 aircraft carrier strike grps loaded with f35 got bored decided to play with these 6 ships instead

The 44th naval escort task force has been involved in routine operations in the area since May and last week spent several days on a visit to Oman, including a joint exercise with the country’s navy, according to the Chinese defence ministry website.
The task force left the capital Muscat on Saturday, en route for an unspecified destination, state media reported.
During the visit, Chinese commanders met Omani military officials and visited military institutions, while sailors from both countries toured each other’s shops. They also organised a basketball game, according to the state news agency Xinhua.
 
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As noted by Marc Garlasco, a Military Advisor at PAX for Peace’s Protection of Civilians team, the impact point does not appear to be consistent with the 500, 1000 or 2000-pound bombs used in Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs).
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https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/10/18/identifying-possible-crater-from-gaza-hospital-blast

Apparently the point of impact is not even near the cars but on the road between grass patches, entering the car park. Yet the cars away from the crater is hit, up to 3 cars away. The tree beside the impact point, about two cars away, is still standing and not burnt, amazing. I assume the rocket fly in from a certain angle thus the explosion is directed to specific area.

Bellingcat (stylised bell¿ngcat) is a Netherlands-based investigative journalism group that specialises in fact-checking and open-source intelligence (OSINT). It was founded by British citizen journalist and former blogger Eliot Higgins in July 2014. Bellingcat publishes the findings of both professional and citizen journalist investigations into war zones, human rights abuses, and the criminal underworld. The site's contributors also publish guides to their techniques, as well as case studies.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellingcat
 
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Iron dome interception, the white bright ball with long trailing tail is the iron dome in action.
The small dot at the far left are the rockets.
The interceptor hit the rockets at its highest or dropping point!

Al Jazeera shamelessly claim the rocket is intercepted by iron dome but as you can see, iron dome is propulsion missile, not anti gravity engine!! Clearly we should see another dot flying to rocket if interception is occurring.

 
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