To upgrade or not to 4080s

[Revolution]

Been out of touch with PC components so hope to seek some advice.

Would like to ask if I should consider a major upgrade or gpu upgrade.

current system
Amd 3600X
B550i Msi mobo
SN850 1 tb ssd
Cm850w psu
Rtx 3080ti
lgc2 as monitor

been playing older titles like division 2
Company of heroes , D2R

somewhat there is abit of stutter when I’m playing division 2, and I been wondering if I should consider upgrading to the current AM5 14. Gen. Intel setups

OR

just get a 4080S at about 1.5k and continue.

would like to know if my current system is sufficient for 4K gaming at max settings.

Not sure if I’m missing out on settings which my system can tweak to for more smooth game plays…..

Appreciate if can get some suggestions here.
Thanks

 

[Koenig168]

The RTX 3080 Ti is still very capable. I suggest you get a 5700X3D and save the rest of the funds for when you are ready to build a new rig,

 

[ragnarok95]

End of this yr is AMD 9000 and intel 15000 series. Since you are using a B550, get a 2nd hand 5700/5800 whatever cpu. Your RTX3080Ti still a very decent card.

 

[Revolution]

Thank you for the replies.

For the upgrade of the cpu to 5700/5800 x3d,
This will help at 4K right?
Getting confused by the 4K gaming dependent on gpu.

makes me feel I’m kinda compelled to upgrade my gpu.

 

[KYZT2021]

Thank you for the replies.

For the upgrade of the cpu to 5700/5800 x3d,
This will help at 4K right?
Getting confused by the 4K gaming dependent on gpu.

makes me feel I’m kinda compelled to upgrade my gpu.

4k still more dependent on the GPU, 5090 end of year

 

[Yongkit]

Ryzen 5000 series should perform better in terms of cpu ipc performance compared to Ryzen 3000 series and would have less shuttering too.

3080ti 12 gb vram is still very capable for your game at 4k 120hz resolution.

3 upgrade I would suggest you to consider

1. Upgrade to zen 3, 8 core cpu (5700x / 5700x3D / 5800x3D)
2. 32GB ram if still using 16gb ram
3. Upgrade HDMI 2.1

 

[NightRaven49]

been playing older titles like division 2
Company of heroes , D2R

somewhat there is abit of stutter when I’m playing division 2

so the gameplay is largely smooth other than some times when suddenly like got microlag? sounds like a cpu rather than gpu bottleneck, easy way to verify is to monitor gpu usage while gaming and see if gpu utilisation is near 100%. if it is usually lower than 80-90%, then a cpu upgrade is a good investment as not only will the stuttering improve but u also have improved overall performance as u will be using ur gpu more. a 3600x is also not that fast for gaming nowadays too. like what others recommend, best to get an am4 x3d cpu which will bring massive increase in cpu limited performance and can be found for $400 or less nowadays. ur 3080ti is very similar to a 4070ti and is still one of the faster gpus around today, and while a 4080s is 1/3 faster, is it really worth 1.5k+ to play older games that dont need much gpu horsepower to begin with that little bit smoother?

 

[Revolution]

Ryzen 5000 series should perform better in terms of cpu ipc performance compared to Ryzen 3000 series and would have less shuttering too.

3080ti 12 gb vram is still very capable for your game at 4k 120hz resolution.

3 upgrade I would suggest you to consider

1. Upgrade to zen 3, 8 core cpu (5700x / 5700x3D / 5800x3D)
2. 32GB ram if still using 16gb ram
3. Upgrade HDMI 2.1

I think based on the 3 of your suggestions
I would be left with 1) because 2&3 is my current setup

The new 5800x3d is almost the same price as a 7800x3d…..

makes me tempted to setup a new mobo ddr ram and cpu.
But then it’s like not very wise economically.

 

[Revolution]

so the gameplay is largely smooth other than some times when suddenly like got microlag? sounds like a cpu rather than gpu bottleneck, easy way to verify is to monitor gpu usage while gaming and see if gpu utilisation is near 100%. if it is usually lower than 80-90%, then a cpu upgrade is a good investment as not only will the stuttering improve but u also have improved overall performance as u will be using ur gpu more. a 3600x is also not that fast for gaming nowadays too. like what others recommend, best to get an am4 x3d cpu which will bring massive increase in cpu limited performance and can be found for $400 or less nowadays. ur 3080ti is very similar to a 4070ti and is still one of the faster gpus around today, and while a 4080s is 1/3 faster, is it really worth 1.5k+ to play older games that dont need much gpu horsepower to begin with that little bit smoother?

Yes it’s a micro stutter or jerk
That’s why I am also hesitant to just pull the trigger and just get on the “upgrade” bandwagon.

Saw the 5800x3d gg around 460-480+
With the 5700x3d at 368 thereabts

Probably abit hard to get used chips because even on carousell seems quite rare…

it’s the “might as well” bug sometimes that get to me lol.

lucky I came to the forums to ask, saved some budget for potentially the next gpu upgrade…

 

[Koenig168]

.....

Saw the 5800x3d gg around 460-480+
With the 5700x3d at 368 thereabts

...

The difference is minimal at 1080p and probably non-existent at 4K.

 

[Yongkit]

I think based on the 3 of your suggestions
I would be left with 1) because 2&3 is my current setup

The new 5800x3d is almost the same price as a 7800x3d…..

makes me tempted to setup a new mobo ddr ram and cpu.
But then it’s like not very wise economically.

In this case I believe 5700x3D for less than $400 is best for your usage and you will definitely feel the power of 3D cache in gaming and smoothness compare 3600x.

And you just need to update the Mobo bios to cater the new cpu.

Though not too sure which CPU cooler you are using now but nowadays many twin tower air cooler from 2023 onwards is very capable to cool down the 5700x3D cpu.

 

[Revolution]

The difference is minimal at 1080p and probably non-existent at 4K.

think it various from game to game even at 4k


This review seems to suggest that.

I think for me most impt is not really abt max frames but just smooth game play at highest settings my card allows me to game.

Generally across various reviews , Users seem to also suggest they don’t see much of max frames improvement but overall smoothness.

Not sure if it’s a placebo effect of spending money though hahaha….

 

[Phen8210]

think it various from game to game even at 4k


This review seems to suggest that.

I think for me most impt is not really abt max frames but just smooth game play at highest settings my card allows me to game.

Generally across various reviews , Users seem to also suggest they don’t see much of max frames improvement but overall smoothness.

Not sure if it’s a placebo effect of spending money though hahaha….

For 2024 gaming, minimum 8 core Zen 3 processor, preferrably with 3D cache.

Honestly speaking, things haven't change much for people who are caught up last year, all the unoptimized titles shows that without Zen 3 or higher, you can forget about playing most of the latest games with an ideal level of smoothness.

Don't buy intel processor though or your rig will be rigged

 

[kimsix]

5700x3d is best ROI if you busy person, just swap cpu.

Full upgrade to 7800x3d AM5 if you itchy to diy a PC, it is very good too.

here is my coh2 and coh3 bench i ran awhile

Coh2 : 7600x -> 5950x -> 3950x. 7600x is about 5800x3d. The first 2 is using 3080ti capped to gsync 142hz. The last one is 3950x 1080ti (this is where 3600x is)

Coh3

 

[Rapt0r]

If you want to remain on AM4 for the next 3 years or so then get 5700x3d.
If you are considering to change new setup soon, please wait for new releases from both AMD & Intel before making a decision.

 

[86technie]

Been out of touch with PC components so hope to seek some advice.

Would like to ask if I should consider a major upgrade or gpu upgrade.

current system
Amd 3600X
B550i Msi mobo
SN850 1 tb ssd
Cm850w psu
Rtx 3080ti
lgc2 as monitor

been playing older titles like division 2
Company of heroes , D2R

somewhat there is abit of stutter when I’m playing division 2, and I been wondering if I should consider upgrading to the current AM5 14. Gen. Intel setups

OR

just get a 4080S at about 1.5k and continue.

would like to know if my current system is sufficient for 4K gaming at max settings.

Not sure if I’m missing out on settings which my system can tweak to for more smooth game plays…..

Appreciate if can get some suggestions here.
Thanks

Two suggesstions:

1) For your current setup have you install AMD chipset which include power plan for
The AMD Ryzen CPU.

If it is missing, you can backup first than format than do a clean install of Windows. (Offline)
Than install all the driver AMD Chipset -> WIFI -BT-> LAN-> Sound (all these from MSI website)
-> Nvidia

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550I-GAMING-EDGE-WIFI/support#driver

What you are experience is Micro shuttering where AMD chipset driver can help to address
such issue.

2) Upgrade to Ryzen 7 5700X3D ($415) or 7 5800x3d ($519) depending on your budget.
Price from Bizgram.
Recommend if possible if you are changing to new CPU, do a clean install Windows
than install the AMD chipset driver.
The chipset driver will optimze the Ryzen CPU power plan as well as install AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver.

For AMD Ryzen unlike Intel, for the CPU to work optimally AMD chipset is needed.

 

[Revolution]

Two suggesstions:

1) For your current setup have you install AMD chipset which include power plan for
The AMD Ryzen CPU.

If it is missing, you can backup first than format than do a clean install of Windows. (Offline)
Than install all the driver AMD Chipset -> WIFI -BT-> LAN-> Sound (all these from MSI website)
-> Nvidia

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550I-GAMING-EDGE-WIFI/support#driver

What you are experience is Micro shuttering where AMD chipset driver can help to address
such issue.

2) Upgrade to Ryzen 7 5700X3D ($415) or 7 5800x3d ($519) depending on your budget.
Price from Bizgram.
Recommend if possible if you are changing to new CPU, do a clean install Windows
than install the AMD chipset driver.
The chipset driver will optimze the Ryzen CPU power plan as well as install AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver.

For AMD Ryzen unlike Intel, for the CPU to work optimally AMD chipset is needed.

thanks for sharing this piece of information!!
I’ll tinker with my setup this weekend to try it out.

yep the prices are quite comfortable given that this is going to be a last burst of life injected to my current setup unless I downsize my monitor.

the thought of new rig is tempting too but trying to be rational and glad the community has many well informed members to share

 

[Revolution]

If you want to remain on AM4 for the next 3 years or so then get 5700x3d.
If you are considering to change new setup soon, please wait for new releases from both AMD & Intel before making a decision.

Saw some time line on the zen5 line up and it seems it’s some 1 quarter away in jun thereabouts for some new cpus.

Hence I was also wondering if can wait,
1) buy the new release products and probably newer boards
2) enjoy a potential price dip of current zen 4s?

The games are not unplayable now, it’s really the upgrade bug I caught lately.

 

[Revolution]

For 2024 gaming, minimum 8 core Zen 3 processor, preferrably with 3D cache.

Honestly speaking, things haven't change much for people who are caught up last year, all the unoptimized titles shows that without Zen 3 or higher, you can forget about playing most of the latest games with an ideal level of smoothness.

Don't buy intel processor though or your rig will be rigged

what do you mean by rigged?

Tbh I was temped by my colleague got a new 14700 setup but I read much abt it running hotter and stuff.

And the AMD offerings price wise made more worthwhile for my use case. Because I just turn on play games, I probably don’t do much web surfing even and maybe some potential simple video edit when I take travel vids.

 

[Revolution]

@kimsix thanks for sharing the benches.

yep agree that 5700x3d is probably the fastest and economical fix at the moment

the lure of 7800x3d also is nice but I’ll need new rams and motherboard maybe addition 5-700 bucks.