Pr can withdraw cpf but Singaporean cannot

[TiedInsurer]

This is very funny. Which country will allow foreigners to just retired there without any contribution?

I never said there is. Which is exactly the problem.

 

[Akky85]

I don't agreed with your suggestion. It is not consistent international practice. PR should be allowed to renew as long as they like. Just control the benefit.

Why apply for PR if benefit is controlled? PR is the right to live and work in Spore. That is sufficient benefit for any foreigner. They can pay less fees but should not have access to public housing. They should not be made to serve NS. They should contribute to CPF. That, to me, is more closer to policies from other countries pertaining to permanent residency.

Hanging as a capital punishment is also not consistent international practice, i think our policies should be crafted and prioritize with the locals in mind. After all, we work for the ppl here not for the globe.

That said, any system as long as it achieve the goals is good enough, be it abiding by international standards or not. Most other nations have a list of requirement for you to hit before even CONSIDERING you as a candidate.

Down here, we wayang a bit and they are in. Esp back in the 2010s. Ppl who are here earning 5-6K but basic English is arguably poorer then our primary school kids? Very telling.

 

[Lifeisgoodagain]

i had a course mate - Malaysian with not very good command of English

and my course was about economics and we touched on foreigners labour market etc
we were seated in a group of 4 - 2 sg, 1 m'sian, 1 viet
when our lecturer was asking us to think why foreigners are essential to sg, she said this and i quote word for word:
"because singaporeans lazy, need foreigners to work"

And u are Singaporean? Should be so proud

 

[Lifeisgoodagain]

Hanging as a capital punishment is also not consistent international practice, i think our policies should be crafted and prioritize with the locals in mind. After all, we work for the ppl here not for the globe.

That said, any system as long as it achieve the goals is good enough, be it abiding by international standards or not. Most other nations have a list of requirement for you to hit before even CONSIDERING you as a candidate.

Down here, we wayang a bit and they are in. Esp back in the 2010s. Ppl who are here earning 5-6K but basic English is arguably poorer then our primary school kids? Very telling.

Actually we work for the globe. The country is too small to work for the domestic market. We will die hungry

 

[Moowoow]

Ty wise fair leaders should ink humanitarian mou with bigger countries to allow sinkkies retire dignifiably overseas

 

[KingKongBell]

My own XP:

I also hire fw, all Malaysians and all relatively young.

Some are cui I don't deny. After awhile, ask them balik kampung, but surprisingly from my XP, more than 50% are hardworking, willing to learn, even those education level is secondary school kind. English not tok kong, but good enough and improved over the years.

And quite a no. of them <$2k salary. Some ask for the sky but screw them lar. I can't afford to hire anyway. Those which we did hire, majority were good. Confirm got black sheep, but it's a math game.

And once we had good fw staff, they ownself cannot tahan the cui Malaysians and wanna kick them out themselves coz they don't want ppl to freeload on their hard work.

I think the key lesson is this: as employers / hiring managers, we gotta be selective. If we let the cui ones proliferate then it'll end up hurting everyone. If he/she not good, just let them go before it becomes cancer.

That's our privilege, not their god given right.

i like your mindset and i agree with you.

sadly my coy has a lot of those cui ones and are already long service and hired way before my time. i got my friend to undercover for me and found out those old cui jiaos are slowing down the processes and telling new ppl not to work so fast or limit output. recently some MY workers are spreading fake news that retirement age for wp holders have increased to 65 and they are now saying if still remain at 60, they don't know what to do when they retire back to MY (i really much rather they lower the age limit for wp holders because i really want to get rid of them asap)

it would be easy if it's just a few that are like this, but majority are like that. it doesn't help that the ingrained culture in my co is seniority based progression and now those lao cui are like leaders/ supervisors positions. that is why the turnover rate at that level in my co is very high and we have lost many good ones over the years.....

thankfully we got a new md who is slowly changing this and have started to reward the hardworking and more receptive ones but this will probably take like another 10 - 20 years to change entirely if at all so hopefully i will be tucked away by then because i no eye see

 

[haveyourcake]

PR should receive the CPF they contributed from their salary.

Should claw back the employer portion, together with the interest

 

[Eliwood]

I never said there is. Which is exactly the problem.

So u r asking for sth that doesnt exist anywhere...

 

[HoLoGram]

It's a math game except the gahment is playing with outdated rules. You can't make them sink roots anymore because these people aren't getting kids. Chinese JHB fertility rate is 0.8, which is actually lower then Chinese sinkiebu fertility rate of 0.94.

Gahment should update the rules of them game accordingly. Either find a new "anchor", or start penalising heavily those who balik kampung.

Agree, need to make some tweaks otherwise, we'll end up running on a broken hamster wheel.

I don't have the answer for it nor do I pretend to.

But I do appreciate it is an extremely difficult problem to solve, it's literally swimming against the tide of changing demographics and behaviours.

 

[KingKongBell]

And u are Singaporean? Should be so proud

yes i am and i am sane as well

you expect me to stand up, shout at her and slap her across the face in class?

displeasure need not be displayed

 

[TiedInsurer]

So u r asking for sth that doesnt exist anywhere...

I'm not asking for anything?

These people are saying that our envy of JHK is not valid, because we can also go retire in MY if we envious that JHK get to earn 3x in SG, then retire cheap in MY. I'm saying that we can't. It's not an option for sinkies. This lifehack only available for JHK.

 

[Akky85]

Actually we work for the globe. The country is too small to work for the domestic market. We will die hungry

That's business side. But nobody said anything about having to export citizen benefits as a product to sell.

 

[Lifeisgoodagain]

yes i am and i am sane as well

you expect me to stand up, shout at her and slap her across the face in class?

displeasure need not be displayed

No. As an economics student u will answer that foreigners supplement the workforce which will increase the economic output of the country. And I’m sure u know why is there a need to increase the economic output of the country.

 

[Eliwood]

I'm not asking for anything?

These people are saying that our envy of JHK is not valid, because we can also go retire in MY if we envious that JHK get to earn 3x in SG, then retire cheap in MY. I'm saying that we can't. It's not an option for sinkies. This lifehack only available for JHK.

Can earn 1.6 times if go UK.

1.4 times if go US.

 

[TiedInsurer]

Can earn 1.6 times if go UK.

1.4 times if go US.

But any increase in earnings gets obliterated by the much higher taxes in those countries, so in the end back to square one.

 

[HoLoGram]

i like your mindset and i agree with you.

sadly my coy has a lot of those cui ones and are already long service and hired way before my time. i got my friend to undercover for me and found out those old cui jiaos are slowing down the processes and telling new ppl not to work so fast or limit output. recently some MY workers are spreading fake news that retirement age for wp holders have increased to 65 and they are now saying if still remain at 60, they don't know what to do when they retire back to MY (i really much rather they lower the age limit for wp holders because i really want to get rid of them asap)

it would be easy if it's just a few that are like this, but majority are like that. it doesn't help that the ingrained culture in my co is seniority based progression and now those lao cui are like leaders/ supervisors positions. that is why the turnover rate at that level in my co is very high and we have lost many good ones over the years.....

thankfully we got a new md who is slowly changing this and have started to reward the hardworking and more receptive ones but this will probably take like another 10 - 20 years to change entirely if at all so hopefully i will be tucked away by then because i no eye see

Wah. OK, then this is a deeply embedded cultural issue with the organisation already. Heng your new MD is trying to change it.

My side, we have quite a flat hierarchy and we built the business from scratch such that we make try our best not to tolerate bad behaviour from the beginning. And we reward competence and team players with promotions. I don't care if the worker is from SG/MY, if cui, then you can expect to be penalised.

End up, SG/MY bad supervisors leave, and good promising juniors whether SG/MY get promoted

I can understand how painful it is to get rid of this kinda culture. But it's a cancer, even if can't get rid entirely, at the very least, gotta try and make sure it's not growing.

I think on your end if within your power, can try and make sure the next hires, FW or not, that are really high standard, promote them fast to show example of it, empower them. Overcrowd the lousy ones until they quit. Will take a long time, but best time to start is yesterday. Next best time is today.

When we do a meritorious job in hiring and firing as hiring managers, we're also helping SG as national service.

The high performing JHKs feel it's more worthwhile to sink roots in SG, have kids and birth next generation of Singaporeans who will be no different - speak, think and act in exactly same way as the us, the OGs.

 

[wickedpuppy]

But any increase in earnings gets obliterated by the much higher taxes in those countries, so in the end back to square one.

Higher tax ... do they get anything back in return ? Or its just pay to govt for no reasons ?

For example , Germany tax rate can be up to 40+% depending on income...

 

[coyote]

I'm not asking for anything?

These people are saying that our envy of JHK is not valid, because we can also go retire in MY if we envious that JHK get to earn 3x in SG, then retire cheap in MY. I'm saying that we can't. It's not an option for sinkies. This lifehack only available for JHK.

Edmwers only find excuses. We have fellow edmwers @moonraiser, @Firstclass1188 living in Malaysia for ages. Sitting in the comfort of your Aircon offices will not find you solution for sure. There's a will, there's a way. If Malaysia does not work, go Thailand...or whatever... But one needs to plan for years and decades to achieve their goals...

 

[chenaz]

They give up PR status to withdraw the money.

Singaporean can give up citizenship and withdraw all the cpf also. Isn’t it the same ?

 

[KingKongBell]

i did not monitor closely but i read articles here and there and saw that opp did in fact came out with some policies which can be considered and looked into

eg tier based utilities, separate commercial and private coe etc (some of those i remember)

the problem is, pappies are just too absorbed in eliminating the oppositions that they just knock down most proposals coming from opp even if it's worth studying into in detail.

with everything so out in the open now, pappies still have the "gotta fix them all" mindset when they should be adopting a more progressive one and work together for the general good ... sometimes i wonder if they think that citizens won't be able to tell that their excuses are ******** or if they are that arrogant to think that even if we know, we can't do anything to them