The Buddha and his Teachings, according to Suttas in the Pali Canon

[Ironside]

Buddha was born a hindu prince. And he go start practicing when he reached adulthood and have wife and kids.

The entire pali canon was recited by him during that limited lifetime when he kickstart buddism from scratch. U guys really believe? I mean it was supposed to be from scratch, not addition to previous teaching, right?

He has obviously studied other philosophies at that time especially bramanism and Jainism. Also all the meditation techniques.

 

[bigrooster]

got one monk Ajahn Brahm, he summarized the whole pali scripture into concised english version, without the repetition.
got the PDF for download, can search for "The Word of the Buddha"

Ajahn Brahm's outline of the Dhamma as taken from the Pāli Canon comprises of snippets and "words of wisdom" translated into modern day English. It is one of the sources good for quick reference as the Sutta "codes" or numbers were indicated too. It was compiled based on Nyanatiloka Mahāthera’s booklet ‘Word of the Buddha’, updated with translations from Bhikkhu Bodhi, and edited by Ajahn Brahm.

As I mentioned before, it is good to read different translations of the Nikāyas (in brief, or in its entirety), as the translators might have their own perceptions, understanding and interpretation of the words from the original texts. Studying the original Pāli terms, if we have the time or interest, is definitely fruitful too.

Sic:

1. The Word of the Buddha - Ajahn Brahm
2. The Word of the Buddha - Nyanatiloka Mahāthera

 

[MyWill]

He has obviously studied other philosophies at that time especially bramanism and Jainism. Also all the meditation techniques.

I see. Btw, i free thinker.
Its just the logic that i was comtemplating. In christianity, they claim jesus is god, so natural that god can recite whatever long philosophy written in bible. But in buddhist, the canon was recited by a man who only start practicing at adulthood. Hence i asked the question, but it was not meant to be disrespect. Just wana check mainstream understanding of it. Thanks again.

 

[bigrooster]

Yah, supposedly only one nirmanakaya of Buddha manifested to turn the dharma wheel. Next one is supposed to be Maitreya.

The Nirmāṇakāya (Chinese: 應身/應化身) term/concept, part of the Trikāya doctrine, is used in Mahayana and Vajrayana; it is not found in the Pāli Canon. From my understanding, it is not the same as the “mind-made body” (manomāyakāya) mentioned in the suttas.

On Metteyya (Sanskrit: Maitreya), it is interesting that he was mentioned only in one sutta out of the entire Sutta-Piṭaka, IIRC. Bodhisatta Metteyya was said to be residing at Tusita Heaven now, pending his last birth as human, when he will attain Supreme Enlightenment and teach the Dhamma (which would have been non-existent by then) just as our current Buddha Gotama. It is LOL when people call him 彌勒佛, and depict him as a big-tummy monk, and those who touch his tummy will have good luck!

 

[bigrooster]

I see. Btw, i free thinker.
Its just the logic that i was comtemplating. In christianity, they claim jesus is god, so natural that god can recite whatever long philosophy written in bible. But in buddhist, the canon was recited by a man who only start practicing at adulthood. Hence i asked the question, but it was not meant to be disrespect. Just wana check mainstream understanding of it. Thanks again.

The suttas (discourses/sermons) which form part of the Pali Canon, were teachings/soundbytes made by the histrocial Buddha during his 45-years teaching 'career'. I like to call these suttas "minutes of meeting", as these details were remembered by his disciple monks, recited and passed down generation by generation, first by oral transmissions (there were no practice of writing down initially), then in written forms later.

 

[chintokkong]

The Nirmāṇakāya (Chinese: 應身/應化身) term/concept, part of the Trikāya doctrine, is used in Mahayana and Vajrayana; it is not found in the Pāli Canon. From my understanding, it is not the same as the “mind-made body” (manomāyakāya) mentioned in the suttas.

On Metteyya (Sanskrit: Maitreya), it is interesting that he was mentioned only in one sutta out of the entire Sutta-Piṭaka, IIRC. Bodhisatta Metteyya was said to be residing at Tusita Heaven now, pending his last birth as human, when he will attain Supreme Enlightenment and teach the Dhamma (which would have been non-existent by then) just as our current Buddha Gotama. It is LOL when people call him 彌勒佛, and depict him as a big-tummy monk, and those who touch his tummy will have good luck!

Yah, legend goes that there was a cloth-sack monk (布袋和尚) who was supposedly a manifestation of Metteyya, and then for some reason the imagery of Metteyya became a big-tummy monk with a cloth-sack.
Just like how Guanyin (Avalokiteśvara) after some time became depicted as feminine by the Chinese probably sometime in Tang dynasty.

These Bodhisattas not found in the Pali canon, except a brief teaching of Metteyya.

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(Edit): Yah, nirmanakaya different from manomayakaya (mind-made body). Nirmanakaya supposedly represents one of three bodies of Buddha, whereas manomayakaya can be manifested by any trained practitioner through the use of mano/manas.

 

[Ironside]

I see. Btw, i free thinker.
Its just the logic that i was comtemplating. In christianity, they claim jesus is god, so natural that god can recite whatever long philosophy written in bible. But in buddhist, the canon was recited by a man who only start practicing at adulthood. Hence i asked the question, but it was not meant to be disrespect. Just wana check mainstream understanding of it. Thanks again.

The Buddha actually taught how to in details to observe and scrutinise the teacher including himself.

The Nirmāṇakāya (Chinese: 應身/應化身) term/concept, part of the Trikāya doctrine, is used in Mahayana and Vajrayana; it is not found in the Pāli Canon. From my understanding, it is not the same as the “mind-made body” (manomāyakāya) mentioned in the suttas.

On Metteyya (Sanskrit: Maitreya), it is interesting that he was mentioned only in one sutta out of the entire Sutta-Piṭaka, IIRC. Bodhisatta Metteyya was said to be residing at Tusita Heaven now, pending his last birth as human, when he will attain Supreme Enlightenment and teach the Dhamma (which would have been non-existent by then) just as our current Buddha Gotama. It is LOL when people call him 彌勒佛, and depict him as a big-tummy monk, and those who touch his tummy will have good luck!

Mind-made body = 元神？

 

[BennyQ]

I see. Btw, i free thinker.
Its just the logic that i was comtemplating. In christianity, they claim jesus is god, so natural that god can recite whatever long philosophy written in bible. But in buddhist, the canon was recited by a man who only start practicing at adulthood. Hence i asked the question, but it was not meant to be disrespect. Just wana check mainstream understanding of it. Thanks again.

Might as well compare with Avengers movie if u wanna compare fictions. Seriously stupid endeavour leh.

 

[bigrooster]

Mind-made body = 元神？

AFAIK, no.

Excerpt:
"When their mind has become immersed in samādhi like this—purified, bright, flawless, rid of corruptions, pliable, workable, steady, and imperturbable—they project it and extend it toward the creation of a mind-made body. From this body they create another body, physical, mind-made, complete in all its various parts, not deficient in any faculty.

Suppose a person was to draw a reed out from its sheath. They’d think: ‘This is the reed, this is the sheath. The reed and the sheath are different things. The reed has been drawn out from the sheath.’ "

Online reference: DN 10 - Subha Sutta, Bhikkhu Sujato translation

 

[Lasogette]

Last time got RK and (好)公民.

Now I see many 上樑不正下樑歪.

Now don't have ?

 

[Lasogette]

In Post #4 on the 4 Noble Truths, the 1st Noble Truth of Suffering is: birth, ageing, illness, death, union with what is displeasing, separation from what is pleasing, not to get what one wants, i.e. the 5 aggregates subject to clinging are suffering.

From first look, birth, ageing, illness, death, union with what is displeasing, separation from what is pleasing, not to get what one wants are suffering.

However, the crucial point is actually: the 5 aggregates subject to clinging are suffering.

How so?

It is because we identify ourselves with the 5 aggregates (due to ignorance, we identify ourselves with them because of wrong view - personal identity view) that we think that (1) form is me and belongs to me, (2) feeling is me and belongs to me, (3) perception ..., (4) volitional formations ..., (5) consciousness is me and belongs to me and cling onto them (resulting from craving and intensifies to clinging/grasping). When things change, our so-called "self" ages/falls sick/is dying, we suffer. This kind of suffering is mental.

The awakened ones like the Buddha and the Arahants - their existential being is similarly made up of the 5 aggregates (due to old kamma), but they no longer suffer and were liberated. Because they did not identify with it and cling to it.

Reference 1: Post #166 - clinging aggregates and sutta
Reference 2: Post #97 - diagrammatic depiction of the 5 aggregates

Bro u seem to know a lot about the 5 aggregates.

U got any sources for the 6th, and 7th? And is the 8th part of the pali canon?

Am starting to research into how the 8th(alaya vijnana) works.

 

[Ironside]

AFAIK, no.

Excerpt:
"When their mind has become immersed in samādhi like this—purified, bright, flawless, rid of corruptions, pliable, workable, steady, and imperturbable—they project it and extend it toward the creation of a mind-made body. From this body they create another body, physical, mind-made, complete in all its various parts, not deficient in any faculty.

Suppose a person was to draw a reed out from its sheath. They’d think: ‘This is the reed, this is the sheath. The reed and the sheath are different things. The reed has been drawn out from the sheath.’ "

Online reference: DN 10 - Subha Sutta, Bhikkhu Sujato translation

I see the picture illustrations in the book secret of the golden flower, it is exactly that and from one become many. The title of the book is probably golden light in Chinese.

 

[bigrooster]

Bro u seem to know a lot about the 5 aggregates.

U got any sources for the 6th, and 7th? And is the 8th part of the pali canon?

Am starting to research into how the 8th(alaya vijnana) works.

If you are referring to 八識, it is not mentioned in the Pali Canon.

In Pali Canon, it is mentioned:

• The 6 (internal) sense bases
• The 6 sense objects
• The 6 sense-consciousness
• The 6 sense-contacts
• Feelings born of the 6 sense-contacts

 

[bigrooster]

I see the picture illustrations in the book secret of the golden flower, it is exactly that and from one become many. The title of the book is probably golden light in Chinese.

Taoist and other faiths have their own cultivation and methods to attain psychic powers.

 

[Lasogette]

If you are referring to 八識, it is not mentioned in the Pali Canon.

In Pali Canon, it is mentioned:

• The 6 (internal) sense bases
• The 6 sense objects
• The 6 sense-consciousness
• The 6 sense-contacts
• Feelings born of the 6 sense-contacts

Thank u. Not exactly sure. But I think it's call ah Lai ye shi. (8th consciousness) Or some called is storehouse consciousness

 

[bigrooster]

Thank u. Not exactly sure. But I think it's call ah Lai ye shi. (8th consciousness) Or some called is storehouse consciousness

Yes, 八識. The 7th is the defiled consciousness and the 8th is the storehouse consciousness. This teaching/concept is found in Mahayana tradition, and I think it originated from the Yogacara school, IIRC.

 

[Ironside]

Thank u. Not exactly sure. But I think it's call ah Lai ye shi. (8th consciousness) Or some called is storehouse consciousness

This I think is a yogacara development.

Yogacara states there are two layers of consciousness: surface consciousness that includes the six senses, and. deep consciousness that includes store consciousness and the 'sense of self' consciousness.

 

[Ironside]

Taoist and other faiths have their own cultivation and methods to attain psychic powers.

The light, the man made body and one to many cannot be coincidence. It is the 4th jhana.

 

[bigrooster]

The light, the man made body and one to many cannot be coincidence. It is the 4th jhana.

If after achieving concentration, should catch the opportunity to direct attention to contemplate arising and cessation of phenomena, which could lead to disenchantment, dispassion ... liberation.

When the Buddha was still a Bodhisatta, his two teachers Āḷāra Kālāma and Uddaka Rāmaputta were experts in the arūpa jhānas but they were not liberated.

 

[Ironside]

If after achieving concentration, should catch the opportunity to direct attention to contemplate arising and cessation of phenomena, which could lead to disenchantment, dispassion ... liberation.

When the Buddha was still a Bodhisatta, his two teachers Āḷāra Kālāma and Uddaka Rāmaputta were experts in the arūpa jhānas but they were not liberated.

Difference is the views.

The last five fetters to be ditched includes desire for fine material existence and desire for immaterial existence.