[GLGT] Couple first met when man was 21, and girl was 13.

[Itsnotfunny]

Grooming means always use comb to brush?

 

[marshalTan93]

This one nothing lah & is quite common.

The 60year age gap one posted here earlier is the real crazy one.

 

[Brionic]

Sauce

Reddit discussion:



There's no grooming hokay!?!? Chiu jelly the man boh?

youth pastor that's why, well known to have many sickos in this religion

 

[chaiscool]

Again you did not answer my question. That says it all. You're biased. Age limit is a social construct. That's why different countries have different age limits. She has 3 children now and she is not a single mother. They didn't do anything inappropriate to get charged for it. Only people who are judgemental would consider this wrong.

What question? That stupid question about if moi read their convo? It's not relevant at all.

So not only you don't understand what is grooming, you apparently also don't understand legal and ethics. Not legal means it's right ah? Hopefully you get beat up one day and realize mata tell you it's not illegal and you go settle yourself.

 

[lovemyself123]

something something grooming

 

[zohn1999]

Ok lah. Normal. I had similar experience. She was 13 I was 19

 

[iamverysmart]

I don't think you all understand what grooming is lol. It's not simply age gap, ppl don't care if 80 year old marry 40 year old.

Problem with this is that they met when she was 13 and he waited "groom" her to be a couple at 18. This is classic grooming, adults exploiting kids. There is right and wrong to be judged on this, simply due to her being a 13 year old kid.

Groomers do marry them, see celine dion case too(12 year old and 38 year old)

If the 21 guy has romantic feels for the 13 girl…then purposely waits for her turns 18 to get together….that is grooming…

if they church-mates and friends, then when she 18, they starts going out for dates and then romantic attraction happens during that year…then not grooming….

cos how long you wants to extrapolate? How about when she turns 30? Or 50? Still considers grooming as long as once upon a time the man knew her as a teen?

 

[iamverysmart]

Ok lah. Normal. I had similar experience. She was 13 I was 19

Some people will says you has issues…..

 

[iridiot]

https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/PC1871?ProvIds=pr376E-

Status:
Current version
as at 06 Oct 2024
376E Sexual grooming of minor below 16 year...

Sexual grooming of minor below 16 years of age
376E.—(1) Any person of or above 18 years of age (A) shall be guilty of an offence if having met or communicated with another person (B) on at least one previous occasion —
(a)A intentionally meets B or travels with the intention of meeting B or B travels to attend a meeting with A which A has either initiated or agreed to whether expressly or by implication; and
(b)at the time of the acts referred to in paragraph (a) —
(i)A intends to do anything to or in respect of B, during or after the meeting, which if done will involve the commission by A of a relevant offence;
(ii)B is below 16 years of age; and
(iii)A does not reasonably believe that B is of or above 16 years of age.
[15/2019]
(2) In subsection (1), “relevant offence” means an offence under —
(a)section 354, 354A, 355, 372, 373, 373A, 375, 376, 376A, 376B, 376C, 376EB, 376ED, 376F, 376H, 377(1)(e), (f), (g) or (h), 377B(3), 377BA, 377BB, 377BF, 377BG or 377BH;
[Act 23 of 2021 wef 01/03/2022]
[Act 39 of 2022 wef 03/01/2023]
(b)section 8 of the Children and Young Persons Act 1993; or
(c)section 140(1) of the Women’s Charter 1961.
[15/2019]
(3) For the purposes of this section, it is immaterial whether the previous occasion of A having met or communicated with B referred to in subsection (1) took place in or outside Singapore.
[15/2019]
(4) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall on conviction —
(a)in the case where the offence is committed against a victim who is below 14 years of age and A does not reasonably believe that B is of or above that age, be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 4 years, or with fine, or with both; or
(b)in any other case, be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 3 years, or with
fine, or with both.

 

[iridiot]

https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/PC1871?ProvIds=pr376E-

Status:
Current version
as at 06 Oct 2024
376E Sexual grooming of minor below 16 year...

Sexual grooming of minor below 16 years of age
376E.—(1) Any person of or above 18 years of age (A) shall be guilty of an offence if having met or communicated with another person (B) on at least one previous occasion —
(a)A intentionally meets B or travels with the intention of meeting B or B travels to attend a meeting with A which A has either initiated or agreed to whether expressly or by implication; and
(b)at the time of the acts referred to in paragraph (a) —
(i)A intends to do anything to or in respect of B, during or after the meeting, which if done will involve the commission by A of a relevant offence;
(ii)B is below 16 years of age; and
(iii)A does not reasonably believe that B is of or above 16 years of age.
[15/2019]
(2) In subsection (1), “relevant offence” means an offence under —
(a)section 354, 354A, 355, 372, 373, 373A, 375, 376, 376A, 376B, 376C, 376EB, 376ED, 376F, 376H, 377(1)(e), (f), (g) or (h), 377B(3), 377BA, 377BB, 377BF, 377BG or 377BH;
[Act 23 of 2021 wef 01/03/2022]
[Act 39 of 2022 wef 03/01/2023]
(b)section 8 of the Children and Young Persons Act 1993; or
(c)section 140(1) of the Women’s Charter 1961.
[15/2019]
(3) For the purposes of this section, it is immaterial whether the previous occasion of A having met or communicated with B referred to in subsection (1) took place in or outside Singapore.
[15/2019]
(4) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall on conviction —
(a)in the case where the offence is committed against a victim who is below 14 years of age and A does not reasonably believe that B is of or above that age, be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 4 years, or with fine, or with both; or
(b)in any other case, be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 3 years, or with
fine, or with both.

TL;DR : cannot piak piak before 16

 

[angel99999]

Those who say grooming, is assumption. How you all know his actions and words had effects on the girl's marriage choice?

How you all know he did stuffs that would lead to an outcome whereby the girl would marry him in the future?

Girl probably already puberty and had feelings on her own, cannot be she the one to brainwash the guy to wait for her to turn 18 to get married? Don't forget we just had bullying cases of schooling children, so children also not stupid and can plan motives ones.

Likely he had groomed the child, but not for certain unless you had knowledge of his actions over the years.

 

[glarerder]

What question? That stupid question about if moi read their convo? It's not relevant at all.

So not only you don't understand what is grooming, you apparently also don't understand legal and ethics. Not legal means it's right ah? Hopefully you get beat up one day and realize mata tell you it's not illegal and you go settle yourself.

Of course it's relevant. Because to accuse one of grooming requires proof. Else it's baseless accusation. You're in fact dishing out baseless accusation and saying your accusation is right without showing proof. There is nothing more absurd than this.

And you're in fact contradicting yourself by first saying it's not simply age gap and then just basing on their age, you determine he must have groomed her. I initially thought you have evidence to substantiate your claim but no. You're merely biased.

 

[chaiscool]

If the 21 guy has romantic feels for the 13 girl…then purposely waits for her turns 18 to get together….that is grooming…

if they church-mates and friends, then when she 18, they starts going out for dates and then romantic attraction happens during that year…then not grooming….

cos how long you wants to extrapolate? How about when she turns 30? Or 50? Still considers grooming as long as once upon a time the man knew her as a teen?

Yes. I don't think you understand grooming, it's not when the kids turn to adult or when they start to date - like if he waited for her till she 50 years old.

It's grooming as long as it's a kids being involved with an adult outside the norm. Teacher and student in school no issue, but if they meet outside it's an issue.

21 year old should not be friends with 13 year old. That's highly inappropriate simply cuz she is a kid.

 

[stanlawj]

What question? That stupid question about if moi read their convo? It's not relevant at all.

So not only you don't understand what is grooming, you apparently also don't understand legal and ethics. Not legal means it's right ah? Hopefully you get beat up one day and realize mata tell you it's not illegal and you go settle yourself.

Grooming involves actions listed in:
(a)section 354, 354A, 355, 372, 373, 373A, 375, 376, 376A, 376B, 376C, 376EB, 376ED, 376F, 376H, 377(1)(e), (f), (g) or (h), 377B(3), 377BA, 377BB, 377BF, 377BG or 377BH;
https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/PC1871?ProvIds=P416-#pr354-

If none of the actions above, it is not grooming.

 

[OutBreak]

The guy is a patient man. Salut.

 

[chaiscool]

Of course it's relevant. Because to accuse one of grooming requires proof. Else it's baseless accusation. You're in fact dishing out baseless accusation and saying your accusation is right without showing proof. There is nothing more absurd than this.

And you're in fact contradicting yourself by first saying it's not simply age gap and then just basing on their age, you determine he must have groomed her. I initially thought you have evidence to substantiate your claim but no. You're merely biased.

Huh? Proof is him being involved with 13 year old k

Again, do you think grooming is him sending his pp pics and not simply texting with her about god / school?

Please don't use the word bias if you don't understand it. There's no discussion on this, 13 year old kid with an adult is grooming regardless of their convo.

They could be talking about how great jesus is, idc cuz it's still grooming when an adult is being friends with a kid.

 

[iamverysmart]

Yes. I don't think you understand grooming, it's not when the kids turn to adult or when they start to date - like if he waited for her till she 50 years old.

It's grooming as long as it's a kids being involved with an adult outside the norm. Teacher and student in school no issue, but if they meet outside it's an issue.

21 year old should not be friends with 13 year old. That's highly inappropriate simply cuz she is a kid.

Haiya means you no goes church before la….

it is super normal for the 13 the under 30s to hang out….

ministry work, small groups, gaming nights….bible study….music stuff like playing in a band…..list goes on…..

I knows where you coming from now….fair enough…..

if a 30 yo guy keeps going movie dates alone with a 15 yo old….and if the guy has certain express and implied authority over her in a formal environment…. Then ok…that is grooming

 

[chaiscool]

https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/PC1871?ProvIds=pr376E-

Status:
Current version
as at 06 Oct 2024
376E Sexual grooming of minor below 16 year...

Sexual grooming of minor below 16 years of age
376E.—(1) Any person of or above 18 years of age (A) shall be guilty of an offence if having met or communicated with another person (B) on at least one previous occasion —
(a)A intentionally meets B or travels with the intention of meeting B or B travels to attend a meeting with A which A has either initiated or agreed to whether expressly or by implication; and
(b)at the time of the acts referred to in paragraph (a) —
(i)A intends to do anything to or in respect of B, during or after the meeting, which if done will involve the commission by A of a relevant offence;
(ii)B is below 16 years of age; and
(iii)A does not reasonably believe that B is of or above 16 years of age.
[15/2019]
(2) In subsection (1), “relevant offence” means an offence under —
(a)section 354, 354A, 355, 372, 373, 373A, 375, 376, 376A, 376B, 376C, 376EB, 376ED, 376F, 376H, 377(1)(e), (f), (g) or (h), 377B(3), 377BA, 377BB, 377BF, 377BG or 377BH;
[Act 23 of 2021 wef 01/03/2022]
[Act 39 of 2022 wef 03/01/2023]
(b)section 8 of the Children and Young Persons Act 1993; or
(c)section 140(1) of the Women’s Charter 1961.
[15/2019]
(3) For the purposes of this section, it is immaterial whether the previous occasion of A having met or communicated with B referred to in subsection (1) took place in or outside Singapore.
[15/2019]
(4) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall on conviction —
(a)in the case where the offence is committed against a victim who is below 14 years of age and A does not reasonably believe that B is of or above that age, be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 4 years, or with fine, or with both; or
(b)in any other case, be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 3 years, or with
fine, or with both.

Grooming involves actions listed in:
(a)section 354, 354A, 355, 372, 373, 373A, 375, 376, 376A, 376B, 376C, 376EB, 376ED, 376F, 376H, 377(1)(e), (f), (g) or (h), 377B(3), 377BA, 377BB, 377BF, 377BG or 377BH;
https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/PC1871?ProvIds=P416-#pr354-

If none of the actions above, it is not grooming.

Never piak ok mah, sexual grooming and just grooming different.

 

[chaiscool]

Haiya means you no goes church before la….

it is super normal for the 13 the under 30s to hang out….

ministry work, small groups, gaming nights….bible study….music stuff like playing in a band…..list goes on…..

I knows where you coming from now….fair enough…..

if a 30 yo guy keeps going movie dates alone with a 15 yo old….and if the guy has certain express and implied authority over her in a formal environment…. Then ok…that is grooming

Ain't that a problem for a church? Like saying it's wrong but it happens a lot in church so it's okay cuz holy than thou. Pedo is wrong but happens a lot in church too.

Maybe church should not allow such activities for adults and kids to be involved so much then.

 

[xJingx]

have to be a teacher huh? whats wrong with these all these pedophiles being teachers?



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