Need advice on this pc rig

[Phen8210]

Get B850M motherboard better. 7800X3D can run hot so get one with better VRM.

B650M Gaming Plus Wifi is fine, its the bare minimum, not like the one with naked VRM that AS gave you.

 

[Vanyel]

Btw casing+lcd panel fans 360aio 850w can get from taobao for $350 including shipping
Looks pretty nice too imo

what i got recently

Spoiler

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/pc-rig-building-upgrade-again.7111202/post-155831636

 

[GotBetrayed]

B650M Gaming Plus Wifi is fine, its the bare minimum, not like the one with naked VRM that AS gave you.

Haha but VRM specs really not that good leh.

 

[Vanyel]

Haha but VRM specs really not that good leh.

my boy's 7800X3D running PRO B650M-A Wifi
i online googled the vrm design is 8+2+1

B650M Gaming Plus Wifi is 5+2+2

so i gather that the more the better?

 

[GotBetrayed]

my boy's 7800X3D running PRO B650M-A Wifi
i online googled the vrm design is 8+2+1

B650M Gaming Plus Wifi is 5+2+2

so i gather that the more the better?

Yes, thats right, 5+2+2 is more or less rubbish. I opted for B850M Aorus Elite Ice wifi6E, 12*+2+2.
Best B850M MB is Asus TUF gaming plus 14*2+2.
8*+2+1 is ok la, barely can make it kind also.

The MB Aftershock gives by default is like 5*+2+2 also, or 6*+1+1

 

[Vanyel]

Yes, thats right, 5+2+2 is more or less rubbish. I opted for B850M Aorus Elite Ice wifi6E, 12*+2+2.
Best B850M MB is Asus TUF gaming plus 14*2+2.
8*+2+1 is ok la, barely can make it kind also.

The MB Aftershock gives by default is like 5*+2+2 also, or 6*+1+1

but ok leh so far the temp on his 7800X3D, wont see 85deg+ unless he plays minecraft with all his whatever shaders on~
generally 70-80deg when plays mhw

 

[GotBetrayed]

but ok leh so far the temp on his 7800X3D, wont see 85deg+ unless he plays minecraft with all his whatever shaders on~
generally 70-80deg when plays mhw

What about ppt limit? Is it 90 watts or 162 watts?

my 9800X3D was running 90 watts PPT limit on Gigabyte B650M gaming wifi 6E MB. Of course temps are lower because the motherboard is limiting the full potential of the cpu. Complained to Aftershock, did a top up to change to B850M Aorus elite ice.

My ASRock B850M with 9800X3D was thrash too. Constantly getting high temperatures etc.

 

[soreloser]

What about ppt limit? Is it 90 watts or 162 watts?

my 9800X3D was running 90 watts PPT limit on Gigabyte B650M gaming wifi 6E MB. Of course temps are lower because the motherboard is limiting the full potential of the cpu. Complained to Aftershock, did a top up to change to B850M Aorus elite ice.

My ASRock B850M with 9800X3D was thrash too. Constantly getting high temperatures etc.

High temps in Vrm and CPU temps is not the same. They are talking about high VRM temps, changing motherboard won't change your CPU temps, only your cooler will do that. Personally I limited my 9800x3d to 128/100/160 for ppt tdc EDC, about 5% perf loss in cinebench, but -10C to 70C during load, so which I'm ok with. Aorus elite has good VRM and cooling, so won't have to worry about that.

 

[GotBetrayed]

High temps in Vrm and CPU temps is not the same. They are talking about high VRM temps, changing motherboard won't change your CPU temps, only your cooler will do that. Personally I limited my 9800x3d to 128/100/160 for ppt tdc EDC, about 5% perf loss in cinebench, but -10C to 70C during load, so which I'm ok with. Aorus elite has good VRM and cooling, so won't have to worry about that.

My cooler is thermal right 360. Any issues with this?

 

[soreloser]

My cooler is thermal right 360. Any issues with this?

360AIOs are usually more than enough, my Royal Pretor 130 + 9800x3d generally idles at 30-40C and 50-55C while gaming

 

[GotBetrayed]

360AIOs are usually more than enough, my Royal Pretor 130 + 9800x3d generally idles at 30-40C and 50-55C while gaming

Ok good to know. My setups are still with aftershock, waiting for the motherboards to arrive, so should be done by Friday. Seems like 9800X3D is overkill for 4k gaming?

for 4k not sure if there’s any real diff between 7700 and 9800X3D. Price diff damn huge zz

 

[soreloser]

Ok good to know. My setups are still with aftershock, waiting for the motherboards to arrive, so should be done by Friday. Seems like 9800X3D is overkill for 4k gaming?

for 4k not sure if there’s any real diff between 7700 and 9800X3D. Price diff damn huge zz

Ya overkill if you only play at native. If you use DLSS, and upscale, then your setup considered to be running at lower resolution which uses more CPU, then 9800x3d will be much better than 7700.

 

[Phen8210]

yeah.. actually if u got 4k monitor no reason not to use dlss transformer model, its pretty good.. better than native 4k without dlaa.

 

[Haosss]

Ya, only 1 guy making big noise over a his issue. Only hear his side of the story. He was also acting like he knows how to run their PC business better than them. It was amusing to read.

I had good service from Invader PC, many google reviews agree too. No SI is perfect. Sure have outlier problematic cases.

OP also can order from Aftershock and other SI after considering the prices. Just pointing out that lately, the prices of SLS is so high, DIY is just not worth it anymore.

I wonder why pre-build is so much cheaper, I did survey earlier on invader pc page but still choose to diy with part picked by myself. I think the aesthetic worth it?

 

[GotBetrayed]

Nice to know, I got 4k240hz qd Oled monitor and Lg42c3 4k 120hz tv for my setups. Hope

Ya overkill if you only play at native. If you use DLSS, and upscale, then your setup considered to be running at lower resolution which uses more CPU, then 9800x3d will be much better than 7700

 

[Psycovirus]

I wonder why pre-build is so much cheaper, I did survey earlier on invader pc page but still choose to diy with part picked by myself. I think the aesthetic worth it?

Some choose aesthetic over performance, it's not wrong.

Just do note that 9070XT is worth over 9070 if price difference is around 10%. 9070XT is 11% faster than 9070 usually. Also 9800x3D is a better CPU than 7800x3D. 9800x3D moved the temperature sensitive V-cache under the CCD thus the CPU itself can perform better than 7800x3d while keeping temperatures lower.

Well, SLS shops has to keep their shops open and their employees paid thus they take some profit margin. The distributors usually takes some margin too plus GST. End up around 25% higher than USD MSRP for a lot of parts.
Pre-builds, they buy in bulk for all the parts thus they can buy discounted prices and they don't have to pay for retail space. Though they will charge you for assembling PC and providing support which seems to be cheaper than combined distributor/shop tax of SLS stores.

 

[Haosss]

Yes, thats right, 5+2+2 is more or less rubbish. I opted for B850M Aorus Elite Ice wifi6E, 12*+2+2.
Best B850M MB is Asus TUF gaming plus 14*2+2.
8*+2+1 is ok la, barely can make it kind also.

The MB Aftershock gives by default is like 5*+2+2 also, or 6*+1+1

Hi there , I was not able to find this info from MSI website. I did saw the line mentioning “enhanced power design: 12+1+1 duet rail power system. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B650-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

does this mean the vrm is 12+1+1?
I think that does explain why the mobo is cheaper than other due to vrm

 

[Haosss]

Personally I would go corsair psu, since they have 10years warranty.
But will cost a little more $, but i think is worth it for such important component

Thx for the recommendation. Will do some comparison.

 

[GotBetrayed]

Hi there , I was not able to find this info from MSI website. I did saw the line mentioning “enhanced power design: 12+1+1 duet rail power system. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B650-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

does this mean the vrm is 12+1+1?
I think that does explain why the mobo is cheaper than other due to vrm

Yes that’s the VRM. Anyway this is a full ATX board, and good ATX boards can have 16*+2+2 etc.

note that B650M vs B650 = micro ATX vs Full size ATX. Better make sure you search correct info for right motherboard.

yours should be this: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B650M-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI
10+2+1

B850M version:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B850M-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/Overview
8+2+1

not sure why the B650M has better VRM than the B850M variant.

 

[Phen8210]

High temps in Vrm and CPU temps is not the same. They are talking about high VRM temps, changing motherboard won't change your CPU temps, only your cooler will do that. Personally I limited my 9800x3d to 128/100/160 for ppt tdc EDC, about 5% perf loss in cinebench, but -10C to 70C during load, so which I'm ok with. Aorus elite has good VRM and cooling, so won't have to worry about that.

It will because those AS freaks gave him a board that hard limit to 90W PPT lolz..