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WiFi 8 is coming

The next generation of Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi 8, is currently under development in secret. This time, the focus is no longer on pure speed, but on improving the user experience.

The next generation of Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi 8, is currently under development in secret. This time, the focus is no longer on pure speed, but on improving the user experience.

Wi-Fi 8 (currently known as the IEEE 802.11bn Ultra-Reliability standard) is still years away. Wireless technology is in a constant state of improvement: Each advancement in Wi-Fi’s evolution takes years to be discussed, approved, and deployed. Wi-Fi 7 (the current standard) hasn’t even been officially ratified yet.

But that hasn’t stopped Wi-Fi 8 from being developed behind the scenes, and we already know some details. MediaTek recently released some of the details you can expect, but it’s important to note that the final details won’t be determined until the final specification is released around September 2028.

What's the key word you should think of in the context of Wi-Fi 8? Not peak throughput, but effective throughput.

Wi-Fi 8 is very similar to Wi-Fi 7

According to the Wi-Fi Alliance and MediaTek, it is China, not the United States, that is driving the development of wireless technology: China has 650 million broadband users, and more than a quarter of them have a 1Gbps broadband connection at home. Overall, the average connection speed is 487.6Mbps, an increase of 18% in one year.

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In theory, 802.11bn / Wi-Fi 8 is designed to provide enough wireless bandwidth to accommodate broadband gateways that deliver several gigabits per second, and given Ethernet's ability to deliver even more bandwidth, EverythingRF interprets the 2022 document, known as a Project Authorization Request (PAR), as providing a minimum aggregate throughput of 100Gbps.

Since then, PAR was approved in 2023 and the working group has begun finalizing more details. As of November 2024, MediaTek believes that Wi-Fi 8 will be almost identical to Wi-Fi 7 in several key areas: The maximum physical layer (PHY) rate will be the same, at 2,880Mbps x 8, or 23Gbits/s. It will also use the same three frequency bands (2.4, 5, and 6GHz) and the same 4096 QAM modulation, with a maximum channel bandwidth of 320MHz.

Of course, Wi-Fi 8 routers aren’t going to get 23Gbps of bandwidth. According to MediaTek, actual peak throughput in a “clean” or lab environment is only about 80% of the assumed peak throughput, and actual real-world results are likely to be much lower.

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In simple terms, though, Wi-Fi 8 should be able to provide the same wireless bandwidth as Wi-Fi 7, using the same channels and modulation. Each Wi-Fi standard is also backwards compatible with its predecessor. What Wi-Fi 8 does, however, is change the way client devices (such as PCs or phones) interact with multiple access points.

Think of it as the evolution of how your laptop communicates with your home networking equipment. Over time, Wi-Fi has evolved from communicating between one laptop and a router, over a single channel. Channel hopping routes different clients to different frequency bands. When Wi-Fi 6 was developed, dedicated 6GHz channels were added, sometimes as a dedicated "backhaul" between home access points. Now, mesh networks are more common, giving your laptop a variety of access points, channels, and frequencies to choose from.

How Wi-Fi 8 will improve Wi-Fi technology

MediaTek sees several opportunities to improve coordination between access points and devices. (To be fair, we consider these MediaTek efforts only because we can’t be sure they will ultimately be approved by the 802.11bn working group for Wi-Fi 8 as a whole.)

1. Coordinated Spatial Reuse (Co-SR):
This technology was first implemented as spatial reuse in Wi-Fi 6. The problem occurs when there is a difference in transmit power when an access point is "talking" to a nearby device and communicating with a second access point farther away at the same time. If the first access point lowers its power to communicate with the nearby device, the access point cannot "hear" it.
MediaTek says Wi-Fi 8’s Co-SR is a “mature” version of spatial reuse technology that will solve the problem by allowing access points to communicate with each other and coordinate their power output. “Our initial trials show that Co-SR can increase overall system throughput by 15% to 25%,” MediaTek said.

2. Coordinated Beamforming (Co-BF):
There is a trend now: taking early Wi-Fi technology and extending it to multiple access points. Spatial Nulling is a feature introduced in 802.11ac (Wi-Fi 5) that allows a router to essentially stop sending signals in certain directions. By doing so, the router sends the signal to the requested location and avoids interfering with devices that don't want to communicate with the router.

The technology seeks to solve a fairly common problem in a connected home or public Wi-Fi location: two devices in close proximity to each other. Coordinated beamforming allows access points to communicate with each other, determine which device needs a signal and which doesn’t, and adjust the mesh access point to “steer” the signal away from devices that aren’t communicating with the network, i.e. denying transmission to their area.

联发科表示:“下一代联发科 Filogic 中协调波束成形 (Co-BF) 提供的吞吐量得到显著增强,在具有一个控制 AP 和一个代理 AP 的网状网络设置中,吞吐量增幅从 20% 到 50% 不等。”

3. Dynamic sub-channel operation:
You probably know that the latest devices support the latest wireless standards, such as Wi-Fi 7. But some devices may also have additional or improved Wi-Fi antennas, allowing for higher throughput. In the past, this information would be passed to the router and stored there.
In most cases, this isn’t a problem. But in situations where multiple different devices are downloading the same file, DSO will create a dynamic scenario where the more advanced device will get a subchannel to download the file faster. The difference between the old approach and Wi-Fi 8’s DSO is that the access point will be able to make the decision, “learn” the capabilities of each device and its requirements, and route the data accordingly.

MediaTek believes that DSO can increase data throughput by 80% compared to without the technology.

4. New data rates:
You may not know what the MCS index is, which is the modulation coding scheme for Wi-Fi. It's basically a table that helps your Wi-Fi router determine the link speed so that you can actually connect and transmit data without errors. If your throughput is slow as you move around your home, this is partially due to your devices and the router "deciding" what connection speed your devices should transmit data at.

MediaTek argues that the problem is that the "stepped" rate reductions are too far-reaching, and that additional gradations should be introduced, such as 16-QAM at 2/3 code rate. The idea is not to introduce dramatic drops and increases in throughput as you move your phone or laptop around your home, but rather to introduce smaller increments. Again, MediaTek argues that these finer MCS divisions can increase overall transmission rates by 5% to 30%.

Change of pace

Likewise, the evolution of Wi-Fi 8 depends on how quickly the standard moves through the regulatory process. Wi-Fi 7 (802.11be) was expected to be approved in September this year, but has not yet been approved. Sony's PlayStation 5 may not be approved in India because the country has not yet approved the 6GHz wireless channels that the Wi-Fi 7 standard relies on. This will also hinder the promotion of Wi-Fi 8.

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Wireless standards take about six years to develop — and impatient hardware makers rarely wait. As MediaTek points out, Wi-Fi 7 products have been shipping since late 2023, even though the standard hasn’t been formally ratified. That’s partly because the IEEE committee in charge of the standard rarely makes major changes between draft standard approval and the final standard. For Wi-Fi 8, the first products are expected to hit the market in early 2028, even though final approval should be completed by the end of that year.

However, it’s worth noting that in two different areas of the PC market, the race to ever-increasing speeds has been put on hold for now. Qualcomm and Intel’s CPUs have slowed down their pace of increasing clock speeds in favor of lower power consumption. For Wi-Fi 8, the focus now appears to be on improving the overall user experience first.

Reference Links
https://www.pcworld.com/article/251...ade-speed-for-a-more-reliable-experience.html
This article comes from the WeChat public account "Semiconductor Industry Observer" (ID: icbank) , author: Mark Hachman, and is authorized to be published by 36Kr.

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Interesting topics on WiFi 8.

But then I am not so sure why not use the original English souce.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/251...ade-speed-for-a-more-reliable-experience.html

Your above post is kind of going through English --> Chinese --> English translation.

Original article first paragraph:
The next generation of Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi 8, is currently being developed behind closed doors. This time, the emphasis isn’t on pure speed, but instead on improving the user experience.

After English --> Chinese --> English translation: not bad though, still better to use the original source in this case.
The next generation of Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi 8, is currently under development in secret. This time, the focus is no longer on pure speed, but on improving the user experience.
 

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Not sure if there are similar statistics for Singapore household, but the following data may be of some reference for those who want to ditch broadband and use 4G/5G mobile data for Internet.

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Not sure if there are similar statistics for Singapore household, but the following data may be of some reference for those who want to ditch broadband and use 4G/5G mobile data for Internet.

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i'm only aware of opensignal, but they don't reveal detailed figures
 

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Interesting topics on WiFi 8.

But then I am not so sure why not use the original English souce.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/251...ade-speed-for-a-more-reliable-experience.html

Your above post is kind of going through English --> Chinese --> English translation.

Original article first paragraph:
The next generation of Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi 8, is currently being developed behind closed doors. This time, the emphasis isn’t on pure speed, but instead on improving the user experience.

After English --> Chinese --> English translation: not bad though, still better to use the original source in this case.
The next generation of Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi 8, is currently under development in secret. This time, the focus is no longer on pure speed, but on improving the user experience.
Jitao right-click and Translate to English :s13:
 

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Last November, we told you that Wi-Fi 8, the successor to Wi-Fi 7, will focus on reliability instead of speed. Sure enough, Qualcomm said today, in a freshly published blog, that the goal of Wi-Fi 8 is to "prioritize reliable performance in challenging real-world conditions, enhancing connectivity even in congested, interference-prone and mobile environments."

One cool feature of Wi-Fi 8 is "Seamless Roaming." This allows a device to provide a "once connected, always connected" experience. By maintaining a continuous low-latency connection as a device moves around, there are no interruptions or packet drops due to handoffs. An important capability of Wi-Fi 8 is its ability to continuously offer a reliable and high-quality connection under non-ideal signal conditions.

For example, in some areas, there is signal degradation due to the distance the device is from the Wi-Fi signal, interference, or power limitations. Qualcomm says that Wi-Fi 8 uses a range of physical layer enhancements working together to keep Wi-Fi connected even if the environment isn't perfect. This is referred to as having reliable coverage at the edge.

Where Ultra-Reliability matters the most.

Where Ultra-High Reliability is most important. | Image credit-Qualcomm

Ever run into problems with your Wi-Fi connection in areas considered high density, such as corporate campuses, apartment buildings, and public venues? Problems such as overlapping signals or battles among various devices for access to the shared wireless signal can lead to problems with the user experience. Wi-Fi 8 solves this using one of its most important features, multi-Access Point (AP) coordination.

Real world connectivity challenges that Wi-Fi 8 will solve.

Connectivity challenges that Wi-Fi 8 will face. | Image credit-Qualcomm

This allows APs to work as a team rather than independently. When APs work independently, devices could end up "attached" to a distant AP with a weaker signal, leading to poor performance. In Wi-Fi 8, Access Points, resources between APs, are shared, allowing for a more consistent experience for the user.

Today's devices carry multiple radios (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, UWB), causing coexistence challenges. Wi-Fi 8 allows for improved in-device coexistence to ensure smoother operation when multiple radios share antennas or spectrum. This allows the wireless networking technology to gracefully handle the temporary outages when the antenna is used for another technology.

Wi-Fi 8 features improved in-device coexistence thus ensuring smoother operation when multiple radios are sharing antennas or spectrum. Wi-Fi 8 also includes new features making wireless connectivity more energy aware without having to compromise responsiveness. Notice how all of the features of Wi-Fi 8 that Qualcomm is writing about deals with improving the reliability of Wi-Fi and doesn't mention anything about hiking Wi-Fi speed with Wi=Fi 8.

Wi-Fi Standards milestones.

The Evolution of Wi-Fi. | Image credit-Qualcomm

Qualcomm says that Wi-Fi 8 will make the biggest impact in smart factories, hospitals, college campuses, homes, and public spaces. The latter include airports, stadiums, and transit hubs. Expected to be ready in 2028, IEEE802.11bn will be the upcoming standard serving as the foundation of Wi-Fi 8. It will help with two trends:

Evolution of Wi-Fi

Wi-Fi standards from Extremely High Throughput to Ultra High Reliability. | Image credit-Qualcomm

The trend toward personal devices such as smart glasses, next-gen wearable devices, and health monitors. These devices need seamless short-range wireless performance so they can offload intensive tasks to other, companion devices.

The second trend is the one moving toward AI-driven systems that require "reliable, low-latency connectivity to access edge or cloud-based AI for real-time inference." Again, keep in mind that Wi-Fi 8 will focus on improving Wi-Fi reliability, not speed.
 

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Just my 2c.

There are still so many out here who don't deploy more than one access point. If they do, it's still a wireless mesh system with all the problems of the poor wireless backhaul. Hence, they will continue to experience poor network quality even if the connected AP reports a good signal strength to the device (simply because that node has a poor connection to another node).

Might be time for people to normalise using the multiple LAN points included in BTOs built in the last 10 years or so. There is no reason why people don't have LAN points in rooms now.
 

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Let's see if the estimated timing will be materializaed or not --> first wave of WiFi 8 prduct in 2028.

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I tend to think it will happen in 2028 for the initial batch of WiFi 8 routers. But then probably we will have to wait for 2029/2030 for 10G triband capable WiFi 8 routers to be popular and at reasonable cost. Take note 2028 is also the target of SG government to have 50% of the households using 10Gbps Fibre Broadband service.

WiFi 7: initial product launch in 2024 and product gets popular in 2025. But the lower cost ones are still using dual band (no 6GHz band) and usually only 2.5Gbps capable only. The cheapest 10G capable triband WiFi 7 routers are mostly bundled by the ISPs, like TP-Link HB710 from SH/MR (at S$192), TP-Link EB810v from Starhub, TP-Link HB810 from SingTel, TP-Link Archer BE805 from M1 and MR (about S$300 BNIB in Carousell), Asus RT-BE92U (only Single 10G port) and Asus ZenWiFi BT10 from M1. Among them only HB710 is below S$250.

Probably we will see many more 10G capable triband WiFi 7 routers (with 6GHz band) in 2027/2028, below S$250.
 

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To me I hope MLO will become more stable in the next two years, before WiFi 8 comes in.

But the above video also mentions that MLO roaming is tough and it may not be that good until toward the release of WiFi 8.
 

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Security improvements are much needed, but they're conspicuously absent so far in the reporting about Wi-Fi 8. The IEEE 802.11 working group really needs to open up at least that part of the standardization process for public and expert participation — similar to how groups focused on security like the IETF and NIST do it.
 

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Security improvements are much needed, but they're conspicuously absent so far in the reporting about Wi-Fi 8. The IEEE 802.11 working group really needs to open up at least that part of the standardization process for public and expert participation — similar to how groups focused on security like the IETF and NIST do it.

Looks like they stop at WPA3 (which comes with WiFi 6).
https://www.wi-fi.org/security

The problem is that many end devices, especially IoT devices (including smart home devices) do not support WPA 3 at all. Therefore at best they can only use WPA2-Personal which may not be that secure. In this case, the associated security issue may not really an issue that Wi-Fi.org can sort out by themselves, in the home environment.

I tend to think it is less an issue with the enterprise side in terms of technology. WPA2-Enterprise (WPA-802.1x, RADIUS) is probably good enough, probably not yet need WPA3-Enterprise. The main chanllenge is probably on the deployment and maintenance side.
 
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The problem is that many end devices, especially IoT devices (including smart home devices) do not support WPA 3 at all. Therefore at best they can only use WPA2-Personal which may not be that secure.
WPA3-Personal was supposed to be more secure than WPA2-Personal, but there are reasons to doubt it actually is.
 

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I tend to think it will happen in 2028 for the initial batch of WiFi 8 routers. But then probably we will have to wait for 2029/2030 for 10G triband capable WiFi 8 routers to be popular and at reasonable cost. Take note 2028 is also the target of SG government to have 50% of the households using 10Gbps Fibre Broadband service.

WiFi 7: initial product launch in 2024 and product gets popular in 2025. But the lower cost ones are still using dual band (no 6GHz band) and usually only 2.5Gbps capable only. The cheapest 10G capable triband WiFi 7 routers are mostly bundled by the ISPs, like TP-Link HB710 from SH/MR (at S$192), TP-Link EB810v from Starhub, TP-Link HB810 from SingTel, TP-Link Archer BE805 from M1 and MR (about S$300 BNIB in Carousell), Asus RT-BE92U (only Single 10G port) and Asus ZenWiFi BT10 from M1. Among them only HB710 is below S$250.

Probably we will see many more 10G capable triband WiFi 7 routers (with 6GHz band) in 2027/2028, below S$250.
We will see many more 10G capable triband WiFi 7 routers is true but the price is hard to say.
 
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