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[Carnage]

u guys are implying that MOE is not equipping the workforce correctly ????????????

I believe you also know that what is learned in school is only applied 20% of the time at work. The rest os OJT lehhh

 

[Jarlaxle]

Can Singapore wean itself off cheap foreign labour? | SingaporeScene - Yahoo! News Singapore

Ho noted that in Australia, a builder gets a salary several times the salary of a construction worker in Singapore, although both countries have about the same per capita income.
"We've had construction development experience in Australia, New Zealand, Thailand and so on. When we built our hotel in New Zealand we were shocked because the number of workers we engaged there was about 10 percent of what we would get in Thailand -- because they are well trained," he said.
"We haven't bitten the bullet here. We are still addicted to cheap foreign labour in industries like construction," Ho pointed out.
"Our low-skilled workers are at a disadvantage today because salaries are quite low with the influx of foreign workers, so I think we need to ratchet that up a bit," he added.

i dun tink cost will be up drastically based on mr ho experience
unless his "several" times is more than 10 times lol

 

[cancer81]

sadly pay is only part of the problem

a builder in Australia or New Zealand will have at least 2 or 3 kinds of certified skills on their CV. Some are even capable of operating several kinds of vehicles, cranes and machines.

a small team of 3-5 can build a house complete with most trimmings and fittings all on their own. The foreman is not only managing the work process but also the timeline, procurement of materials and filling out the paperwork.

the machines and tools used are also more complex and more powerful.

local construction firms are still stuck in the mode of throwing heaps of man power at tasks. Just that we lowered it from the yesteryears.

if we want to progress to that level, the entire industry will have to invest heavily into equipment, training and set up academies where students can get internship training. Most builders are SMEs/small co-ops or independents in Australia and New Zealand. The nature of the industry over there sustains them. Implementing a similar system here is going to be difficult.

 

[Jarlaxle]

sadly pay is only part of the problem

a builder in Australia or New Zealand will have at least 2 or 3 kinds of certified skills on their CV. Some are even capable of operating several kinds of vehicles, cranes and machines.

a small team of 3-5 can build a house complete with most trimmings and fittings all on their own. The foreman is not only managing the work process but also the timeline, procurement of materials and filling out the paperwork.

the machines and tools used are also more complex and more powerful.

local construction firms are still stuck in the mode of throwing heaps of man power at tasks. Just that we lowered it from the yesteryears.

if we want to progress to that level, the entire industry will have to invest heavily into equipment, training and set up academies where students can get internship training. Most builders are SMEs/small co-ops or independents in Australia and New Zealand. The nature of the industry over there sustains them. Implementing a similar system here is going to be difficult.

no lah, im sure we can use complex and powerful tools.

i tink they cannot get over the initial sink cost to do the transition
furthermore, wats the value in doing it for em

 

[cancer81]

no lah, im sure we can use complex and powerful tools.

i tink they cannot get over the initial sink cost to do the transition
furthermore, wats the value in doing it for em

like I said before in some other thread

best way is cut their FW quota.

they will have no choice but to figure out a way

 

[ponpokku]

I believe you also know that what is learned in school is only applied 20% of the time at work. The rest os OJT lehhh

not even 20%... u will find what u learn in sec sch and JC totally unreliable when u go uni... arguments are just presented to suit own stance, and u just need to gather enuff data to argue ur way out... then after u go working, what u learn in uni is already outdated even proved false. textbooks are simply a few yrs behind the newest trends and discoveries...

and imagine my sec 1 science textbook has major errors like hot water freezes faster than cold, which is an angmoh april-fool joke like leather tomatoes and such. MOE just took the prank for real and printed it out.

 

[sunzoner]

u guys are implying that MOE is not equipping the workforce correctly ????????????

Who ever believe it is their job to equip the workforce?

 

[callmebad]

the government is actually indirectly implying that MOE does not equip its workforce correctly by keep saying that there is a need for foreign talents.

 

[peterchan75]

the government is actually indirectly implying that MOE does not equip its workforce correctly by keep saying that there is a need for foreign talents.

Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook founders are uni drop out. Uni just crank out nerds and if they do enough research may get noble price.

 

[cancer81]

not really lar

Bill Gates got kicked out of school
Steve Jobs had very good education before College and decided that he did not need college...

Mark Zuckerberg? He realised he was sitting on a gold mine and simply stopped school since running Facebook was already earning him heaps of money.

Guess what is common for all 3 of them?

THEY HIRE PPL MORE EDUCATED THEN THEM!

 

[peterchan75]

not really lar

Bill Gates got kicked out of school
Steve Jobs had very good education before College and decided that he did not need college...

Mark Zuckerberg? He realised he was sitting on a gold mine and simply stopped school since running Facebook was already earning him heaps of money.

Guess what is common for all 3 of them?

THEY HIRE PPL MORE EDUCATED THEN THEM!

So, you are saying they are not drop out ?

 

[Jarlaxle]

not really lar

Bill Gates got kicked out of school
Steve Jobs had very good education before College and decided that he did not need college...

Mark Zuckerberg? He realised he was sitting on a gold mine and simply stopped school since running Facebook was already earning him heaps of money.

Guess what is common for all 3 of them?

THEY HIRE PPL MORE EDUCATED THEN THEM!

i always tot he dropped out on his own free will? no?

u mean steve jobs had very good high sch education??? and thats sufficient ?

mark only? steve jobs and bill gates also sitting on goldmine wat......

yeah, they hired more educated ppl but not necessarily more talented or more risk taking
wahaha

 

[Jarlaxle]

Who ever believe it is their job to equip the workforce?

sry, i assumed thats their mission

 

[ponpokku]

sry, i assumed thats their mission

it's not, which is why the notion 'study hard get good results then earn big money' is false.

our education system is directly from the colonial style, meaning to train local robots that can read and write and count and then help run the system, not challenging the boss. just like working for colonial masters. culture and creativity are, too bad, not the main concern. it's primarily out of practicality. just unfortunate it coincides with the chinese tradition of studying to become a civil servant, and then grab power and moolas thru their official positions.

well, seems it's happening like that now...

 

[callmebad]

can't blame our colonial masters on the education system
we have already been independent for almost 40 years

the fact is Singapore is a highly conformist society that doesn't tolerant any deviant behavior

Singapore is run like a big giant factory,government is the mold of the product and we're just like the output from mold been produced according to standard specifications

if the output doesn't conform to specification, it will be thrown away

our society may have a lot of 'Bill Gates' or 'Steve Jobs' hiding among us, but these type of people won't have any future in Singapore, because they maybe weirdos who have their own way of thinking and these people tend to be made fun off and trampled on by others

Singapore will stay a 3rd or 4th rate type of country, we can never have our type of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, because most of us can't tolerate deviant behaviors

imagine, if any of us just walk out of the university, can we really take the pressure from our parents, other relatives and friends who feel we're crazy?

 

[sunzoner]

it's not, which is why the notion 'study hard get good results then earn big money' is false.

...

its true if you are hired into the admin service.

 

[ponpokku]

its true if you are hired into the admin service.

u're right, IF one makes it there... percentage wise, i dunno...

 

[ponpokku]

can't blame our colonial masters on the education system
we have already been independent for almost 40 years

the fact is Singapore is a highly conformist society that doesn't tolerant any deviant behavior

Singapore is run like a big giant factory,government is the mold of the product and we're just like the output from mold been produced according to standard specifications

if the output doesn't conform to specification, it will be thrown away

our society may have a lot of 'Bill Gates' or 'Steve Jobs' hiding among us, but these type of people won't have any future in Singapore, because they maybe weirdos who have their own way of thinking and these people tend to be made fun off and trampled on by others

Singapore will stay a 3rd or 4th rate type of country, we can never have our type of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, because most of us can't tolerate deviant behaviors

imagine, if any of us just walk out of the university, can we really take the pressure from our parents, other relatives and friends who feel we're crazy?

u didnt get it. not blaming the colonial masters, but the govt who got us 'independent' yet still stick to the colonial style of education.

there is nothing to blame the colonial masters, they are doing what they are suppose to do. the problem is with the successor.

 

[peterchan75]

Western education is not full roses. My HK friend who is now a teaching staff at a mid-western US state college that we used to attend said, "The uni look nicer than the past but we are still teaching the same thing." BUT the tuition is 10X of mine time. Now, there is this student loan crisis in US.

As for the local schools, made sure that your children are in the top class. Then there is enough attention and peers pressure to push them. Those that don't make it.. it's a struggle. Two kids that went through a "learning test". One get a near gift score and the other an average. The average one do better in schoold results. So, the ATTITUDE towards study is very important. So gifted brain + screw up attitude = screw up results. Of course parents play a part in imparting the right "attitude."

 

[cscs3]

Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook founders are uni drop out. Uni just crank out nerds and if they do enough research may get noble price.

After these 3, did you find more? Espically younger one?
So what is in common?