[PSA] Smartly just closed operations and requiring sell-off and return of assets

fatcatanonymous

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Just a note to all Smartly users to check your email cause they just closed operations in Singapore and are forcing users to sell off their holdings. Make sure your bank details are accurate so they can return your money to you after the sale.

Timing kinda sucks as I was just going to hold till the market improves. Guess my paper loss is now realised loss. Hope this doesn't give a bad name for other roboadvisors out there still doing a good job.

Side note: Hopefully MAS takes attention to this. Forcing people to sell off assets...while acceptable as an investment risk, is definitely not good optics for the market as FIs should be fairly stable.

Thank you for investing with Smartly. We are writing to inform you that we have taken the difficult decision to cease Smartly’s operations in Singapore. As you may know, competition in the digital investment advisory space is intense and maintaining a high service standard on the platform has been challenging. Despite initially contemplating core platform improvements, strategic corporate considerations by our parent company, VinaCapital Group Ltd, ultimately guided our decision.

Smartly is a brand of VCG Partners Pte. Ltd. (“VCG”), which is regulated by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (“MAS”). Accordingly, VCG has notified MAS of its decision to cease Smartly’s operations.

In order to ensure the timely return of your funds, please follow these steps to withdraw your assets:
Login to your Smartly account and select [Transfers] near the top right-hand corner of the screen.
Click on [Withdraw Money] and enter the amount that is available for withdrawal. You will then be prompted to select “Withdraw all” and “Confirm”.
Repeat step 2 above if you have more than one “Goal” (i.e. portfolio).
If this is your first withdrawal, you will be prompted to upload a copy of a recent bank statement, to verify your ownership of the bank account that we have on record. Please note that the funds held in your Smartly account will only be returned to your bank account that we have on record if your ownership of the bank account has been verified. We will not be able to return funds to an unverified bank account.
Afterwards, we are targeting to return related monies to your bank account within 3-6 business days, however, slight delays may occur due to potential high transactions volume.

Please note that if you do not withdraw your assets by 27th April 2020, we will initiate your account closure by the next business day by selling the assets held in your Smartly account. Subsequently, we will return the sale proceeds to your bank account, assuming ownership of your bank account has been verified. Please also note that from 30th June 2020 onwards, you will no longer be able to log in to your Smartly account.

Should you desire to receive digital advice from another service provider, we have reached an agreement with Asia Wealth Platform Pte Ltd (AWP); which has kindly agreed to offer Smartly customers a 50% management fee discount for the first 6 months, up to the first SGD50,000 invested for new customers on its StashAway platform. Please click on this link if you are interested in opening an account to be entitled to this offer, which is valid until the end of April 2020.

Please note in relation to the above special promotion with AWP, VCG is not permitted to give advice on the suitability of any related investment product or market any collective investment scheme as an introducer and AWP is the party giving advice on its Stashaway Platform. VCG may be remunerated by AWP for each referred customer that proceeds to invest on the StashAway Platform. VCG will disclose the amount of the referral remuneration it receives from AWP in respect of your referral if requested by you.

If you have questions about any of the above or another matter(s) relating to your account, please contact us at support@smartly.sg or via telephone at +65 6332 9081 / +65 6332 9084.

Once again, we appreciate the trust you placed in Smartly and wish you continued success as you invest for your future.


Yours sincerely,
Richard Martin, Head of Operations
VCG Partners Pte. Ltd.
 

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GG, luckily they return your money, I always afraid they will run road without returning money. :(
 

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Already suspected this would happen when they stopped accepting deposits. Thus, I sold off half my holdings back in December before this Covid thing got blown up.

Looking at -18% returns now for the remaining holdings. The email mentioned the absolute deadline is 27 April. Anyone planning to hold on until then to see if the market picks up to minimize losses?
 

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Return is have la cause anyway the funds are held in custodian account. Just kinda sian to realise my paper loss. Luckily the loss only nominal for me :s22: though others might not be so lucky.
 

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Already suspected this would happen when they stopped accepting deposits. Thus, I sold off half my holdings back in December before this Covid thing got blown up.

Looking at -18% returns now for the remaining holdings. The email mentioned the absolute deadline is 27 April. Anyone planning to hold on until then to see if the market picks up to minimize losses?

That's roughly 1 month... so depends on your risk appetite I suppose? I personally think it's good for me to be done with thinking about it and just hold cash as I don't like to fret :)
 

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Can buy sell at the same time, lost on commission only.


Return is have la cause anyway the funds are held in custodian account. Just kinda sian to realise my paper loss. Luckily the loss only nominal for me :s22: though others might not be so lucky.
 

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Looking at -18% returns now for the remaining holdings. The email mentioned the absolute deadline is 27 April. Anyone planning to hold on until then to see if the market picks up to minimize losses?
Does that really matter? You can simply reinvest the proceeds via whichever new conduit you choose.
 

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That's roughly 1 month... so depends on your risk appetite I suppose? I personally think it's good for me to be done with thinking about it and just hold cash as I don't like to fret :)

Just sold my remaining holdings. The portfolio has quite a huge exposure in European and US markets and I think things are only going to get worse in the next few weeks. So just gonna hold on to the cash and wait for new opportunities/discounts.
 

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Does that really matter? You can simply reinvest the proceeds via whichever new conduit you choose.

Nope, its not the same.

You would have:

1. crossed the FX bid ask spread twice
2. crossed the ETF bid ask spread twice
3. been out of the market for the few days between liquidating your positions in smartly and investing through the new platform. Risk of selling low buying high is worse in this period of extreme volatility.

It is not the same.
 

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so does this makes this the second robo in sg that up lorry?

First is Bento acquired by Grab. 2nd is Smartly?

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Just sold my remaining holdings. The portfolio has quite a huge exposure in European and US markets and I think things are only going to get worse in the next few weeks. So just gonna hold on to the cash and wait for new opportunities/discounts.

The US market just have the biggest rise in 87 years, time to liquidate your holdings.
 

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You can expect another robo to bite the dust also.

it was obvious all along that the market is not big enough for so many robos. if they don't gain a certain AUM in the initial phase, they will just be bleeding money everyday until the investors stop giving them money. I would only give money to a robo that crosses a certain AUM threshold.
 

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wonder if stashaway will ever kana

No idea how long they can last.

Smartly already thought us an important lesson that it is not easy for robos to survive.

Worst is if you need to liquidate the portfolio during the crisis and move the capital elsewhere.
 

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Let's assume some numbers.

There are 5 employees running the robo company.

Total staff cost is $400k per annum.

Office rental is $240k per annum.

If management fee is 0.5% per annum, this robo company has to manage at least $128M of assets.

I have not included some other costs like utilities and technology.
 

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Just a note to all Smartly users to check your email cause they just closed operations in Singapore and are forcing users to sell off their holdings. Make sure your bank details are accurate so they can return your money to you after the sale.

Timing kinda sucks as I was just going to hold till the market improves. Guess my paper loss is now realised loss. Hope this doesn't give a bad name for other roboadvisors out there still doing a good job.

Side note: Hopefully MAS takes attention to this. Forcing people to sell off assets...while acceptable as an investment risk, is definitely not good optics for the market as FIs should be fairly stable.
U can transfer your holdings to another broker

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