Roboadvisor: Stashaway vs Smartly Performance

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---- PROJECT TERMINATED ----

With effect from 04/08/19, I have decided to terminate this project. I will be embarking on a new comparison thread soon. Thank you all for your support all these while.

In the meantime, do continue to contribute and support:


https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...s-stashaway-6046242.html#post120835024[/SIZE]


Roboadvisors are new in the market and there is little information online to provide us with reliable information on their performance. As such, I have decided to do a mini experiment on the returns of smartly vs stashaway

Experiment Outline
Lump sum investment of $150 to each account to kick start the investment (25th Jan)
Subsequently, to invest $50/mth into both smartly and stashaway portfolios on every 15th of the month beginning 15th Feb 2018

- Smartly Profile : 5/10
- Stashaway Profile 16 (54.5%/45.5%)

Will be updating this thread on the performance on a monthly basis. Stay Tuned

Investment updates (Stashaway vs Smartly) :

1 March 2018 (Total Invested: $200/acc) :$195.76/$196.00
13 March 2018 (Total Invested: $200/acc):$196.43/$195.53
6 April 2018 (Total Invested: $250/acc):$243.84/$242.46
18 April 2018 (Total Invested: $300/acc):$293.67/$293.03
22 April 2018 (Total Invested: $300/acc):$293.20/$293.34
28 May 2018 (Total Invested: $350/acc):$351.67/$351.00

Note: From 29 May 2018, Portfolio changed to StashAway Profile 28, Smartly Profile 10

9 June 2018 (Total Invested: $350/acc):$354.49/$353.14
26 June 2018 (Total Invested: $400/acc):$407.05/$396.29
19 July 2018 (Total Invested: $450/acc):$460.37/$454.75
30 July 2018 (Total Invested: $450/acc):$458.49/$458.28
29 Aug 2018 (Total Invested: $500/acc):$515.63/$512.01

Note: From 29 August 2018, Portfolio changed to StashAway Highest RISK Portfolio, Smartly Profile 10

14 Sep 2018 (Total Invested: $500/acc):$512.68/$509.37
22 Sep 2018 (Total Invested: $550/acc):$563.44/$566.63
08 Oct 2018 (Total Invested: $550/acc):$549.49/$557.14
11 Oct 2018 (Total Invested: $550/acc):$531.56/$542.10
22 Oct 2018 (Total Invested: $600/acc):$578.08/$586.85
30 Oct 2018 (Total Invested: $600/acc):$561.44/$568.42
06 Nov 2018 (Total Invested: $600/acc):$579.62/$588.33
18 Nov 2018 (Total Invested: $650/acc):$629.63/$638.14
27 Nov 2018 (Total Invested: $650/acc):$620.89/$629.91
02 Dec 2018 (Total Invested: $650/acc):$634.54/$639.30
10 Dec 2018 (Total Invested: $650/acc):$614.53/$617.59
20 Dec 2018 (Total Invested: $700/acc):$636.62/$652.76
27 Dec 2018 (Total Invested: $700/acc):$629.77/$633.12
08 Jan 2019 (Total Invested: $700/acc):$634.18/$652.75
11 Jan 2019 (Total Invested: $700/acc):$651.61/$662.79
18 Jan 2019 (Total Invested: $750/acc):$714.71/$719.75
7 Feb 2019 (Total Invested: $750/acc):$746.54/$741.68
13 Feb 2019 (Total Invested: $750/acc):$750.61/$743.82
16 Feb 2019 (Total Invested: $800/acc):$807.27/$800.39
14 Mar 2019 (Total Invested: $800/acc):$815.87/$807.07
21 Mar 2019 (Total Invested: $850/acc):$881.58/$865.69
7 Apr 2019 (Total Invested: $850/acc):$898.76/$876.50
19 Apr 2019 (Total Invested: $900/acc):$949.50/$932.20
25 Apr 2019 (Total Invested: $900/acc):$960.05/$934.76
9 May 2019 (Total Invested: $900/acc):$944.23/$920.46
15 May 2019 (Total Invested: $900/acc):$924.03/$914.23
25 May 2019 (Total Invested: $950/acc):$975.81/$960.29
02 Jun 2019 (Total Invested: $950/acc):$962.02/$938.02
23 Jun 2019 (Total Invested: $1000/acc):$1059.77/$1031.23
27 Jun 2019 (Total Invested: $1000/acc):$1045.70/$1020.43
07 Jul 2019 (Total Invested: $1000/acc):$1076.10/$1041.53
16 Jul 2019 (Total Invested: $1050/acc):$1132.19/$1099.64
25 Jul 2019 (Total Invested: $1050/acc):$1143.17/$1109.52
04 Aug 2019 (Total Invested: $1050/acc):$1117.48/$1092.57
==== Project Terminated ====



Backtesting Portfolio

Backtesting data from 2014-2019.
Initial contribution = $150
Monthly Top up = $50 (Re balanced Yearly)
Portfolio 1 = Stashaway Higher Risk
Portfolio 2 = Smartly (10)
Portfolio 3 = Autowealth (80/20 portfolio)

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should go max 10/10 and 28 for stashaway. your risk set until damn low and with such a small sum, doubt able see much.
 

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Just buy tfd

No need qny thibkibg

Vtfd btfd

Btfd

Btfd
Btfd
 

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Interesting to see how they perform.
 

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I don't get it. Aren't u at a loss?

He started in January and is now on the fourth month and lose around 0.8%...So what is the issue? I'm interested to see how it perform after a year...So if you lose 0.8% after 3 months, what are you going to do? Sell everything as you expect all investment to make a profit from day one?
 

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Not expecting profit from day one but how better is this robo thing compare to POSB investsaver that put in STI ETF monthly also at 1% or less?

He started in January and is now on the fourth month and lose around 0.8%...So what is the issue? I'm interested to see how it perform after a year...So if you lose 0.8% after 3 months, what are you going to do? Sell everything as you expect all investment to make a profit from day one?
 

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Not expecting profit from day one but how better is this robo thing compare to POSB investsaver that put in STI ETF monthly also at 1% or less?

Same time frame? Hold on let me pull my records for Jan to Mar 2018 for POSB Invest Saver...

Jan 2018 - Average price with fees $3.577
Feb 2018 - Average price with fees $3.572
Mar 2018 - Average price with fees $3.626

If anyone were to sell it today, price per unit is $3.487...

So anyone who invested with POSB Invest Saver since January 2018 is down 2.897%...
 

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why not vs autowealth?
i suspect AW will be the "best" amg the trio

Autowealth need $3k to start an account...If the TS wants to equally compare, he need to put in $9k in January to make a fair comparison between the 3 robo-advisors..
 

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Smart alec, how about comparing this robo to some low but positive basic bank account interest rates even at 0.1%?

My question is HOW does this robo thing benefit us which u have not proven so far

Posb has a reputation, sti etf has a track record. Trust is there. But we are new to this robo thing with no track record, all I know is they have MAS license. Not very sure how good it is to put recurring investments over 20-30 yrs

Same time frame? Hold on let me pull my records for Jan to Mar 2018 for POSB Invest Saver...

Jan 2018 - Average price with fees $3.577
Feb 2018 - Average price with fees $3.572
Mar 2018 - Average price with fees $3.626

If anyone were to sell it today, price per unit is $3.487...

So anyone who invested with POSB Invest Saver since January 2018 is down 2.897%...
 
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Smart alec, how about comparing this robo to some low but positive basic bank account interest rates even at 0.1%?

My question is HOW does this robo thing benefit us which u have not proven so far

Posb has a reputation, sti etf has a track record. Trust is there. But we are new to this robo thing with no track record, all I know is they have MAS license. Not very sure how good it is to put recurring investments over 20-30 yrs

Please do not be a liar, you asked this...

Not expecting profit from day one but how better is this robo thing compare to POSB investsaver that put in STI ETF monthly also at 1% or less?

When the answer based on facts contradict your thoughts, immediately flip prata and said this...

My question is HOW does this robo thing benefit us which u have not proven so far

This "robo thing" benefit people who can invest regularly or as and when they want on a small sum who wanted to invest in the USA on a fuss-free solution like POSB Invest Saver...

You think the robo-advisors invest in what? Look up the USA listed ETF purchased by the Robo-advisors....Please tell me if someone who is willing to invest $50-100 in USA ETF a month, how are they going to do it?

The only other alternative I can think of is Maybank Kim Eng Monthly Investment Plan if you want to purchase USA ETF in a fuss-free solution like POSB Invest Saver...

The Robo Advisor not only purchase USA listed equities, they also purchase bonds and will help to rebalance your portfolio should the percentage deviate...

In the case of Smartly and Stashaway, you are able to hold fractions of a share...

If you want to compare the track record, just look up which ETF the Robo-advisors are buying and the weightage distribution of the Equities, Bonds and GLD ETF...

If you are even more worried, go with Autowealth which open a Saxo Capital account for you and the shares will be held in your Saxo Capital account... Smartly and Stashaway are holding your shares on their Saxo Capital account as they distribute to you in fractions of a share unlike Autowealth...
 

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I asked an honest question, not here to argue with you. Really don't need sacasm from a random spiteful? stranger with no substance. Seriously move along dude

Please do not be a liar, you asked this...



When the answer based on facts contradict your thoughts, immediately flip prata and said this...



This "robo thing" benefit people who can invest regularly or as and when they want on a small sum who wanted to invest in the USA on a fuss-free solution like POSB Invest Saver...

You think the robo-advisors invest in what? Look up the USA listed ETF purchased by the Robo-advisors....Please tell me if someone who is willing to invest $50-100 in USA ETF a month, how are they going to do it?

The only other alternative I can think of is Maybank Kim Eng Monthly Investment Plan if you want to purchase USA ETF in a fuss-free solution like POSB Invest Saver...

The Robo Advisor not only purchase USA listed equities, they also purchase bonds and will help to rebalance your portfolio should the percentage deviate...

In the case of Smartly and Stashaway, you are able to hold fractions of a share...

If you want to compare the track record, just look up which ETF the Robo-advisors are buying and the weightage distribution of the Equities, Bonds and GLD ETF...

If you are even more worried, go with Autowealth which open a Saxo Capital account for you and the shares will be held in your Saxo Capital account... Smartly and Stashaway are holding your shares on their Saxo Capital account as they distribute to you in fractions of a share unlike Autowealth...
 

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I asked an honest question, not here to argue with you. Really don't need sacasm from a random spiteful? stranger with no substance. Seriously move along dude

This got to be the most funniest post in the money mind forum in all my years here... I have to move along because you feel butthurt that facts and numbers contradict your ideas?

Who is the childish one here who started with the name calling and outright lying when facts contradict your own thoughts?

Go read up the POSB Invest Saver when it first came out and a lot of people like you keep shooting down POSB Invest Saver and comparing it to DIY and etc...Look at who have been posting about POSB Invest Saver since 2013 when you are not even a member of this forum yet...

Learn to grow up and learn a bit of humility..
 
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I think u are the wierdest person in this forum. U sound very spiteful and full of vengeance that holds u up to engage in any meaningful discussion.

Ok u win. :)

This got to be the most funniest post in the money mind forum in all my years here... I have to move along because you feel butthurt that facts and numbers contradict your ideas?

Who is the childish one here who started with the name calling and outright lying when facts contradict your own thoughts?

Go read up the POSB Invest Saver when it first came out and a lot of people like you keep shooting down POSB Invest Saver and comparing it to DIY and etc...Look at who have been posting about POSB Invest Saver since 2013 when you are not even a member of this forum yet...

Learn to grow up and learn a bit of humility..
 
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I think u are the wierdest person in this forum. U sound very spiteful and full of vengeance that holds u up to engage in any meaningful discussion.

Ok u win. :)

Takes a kettle to call a pot black...A hypocrite will always be a hypocrite...If I'm the weirdest, you are just as weird...

Just because you don't like Robo-advisors, you go into a thread that someone shared his or her own opinion to insult others for sharing with other fellow members to let them see how it performs...

You should honestly consult a doctor, a shrink or a psychiatrist as you clearly got something lose in the brain to start labeling people "spiteful and full of vengeance" just because you got self-pawned when you tried to side track a legitimate thread in money mind sub-forum regarding someone's real experience with it...

If you were serious about asking about Robo-advisors, you would have replied about the points that was raised by me about the "benefits" of robo-advisors which a liar like you did not even addresse even once but instead choose the path of name-calling and insults...

Not gonna feed this troll anymore...
 
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