AX and AC in a AiMesh setup?

[sword28]

I have just ordered the AX88U (not yet delivered) and will be using this as the main.
Now I am currently on Lyra Trio setup which is AC.
Using this on a HDB 5 room flat.

My questions:
1. Should I continue to use the Lyra and setup a mesh with the new AX88U?

2. Since Lyra is AC (wifi5), will it in any circumstance/scenario degrade the AX88U (wifi6)? In other words, will my connectivity or download speed suffers? Will I be better off to just use AX88U alone?
Is it advisable to mix wifi6 and wifi5 routers in a mesh setup?

3. My contract with M1 is expiring soon, thought of renewing with M1 plan 3 that comes with the mesh Zenwifi CT8 (AC). If I use this Zenwifi with AX88U instead of my Lyra, will it be overkill?

hope to hear some advices from the bros here.
thank you!

 

[xonix]

Do you have WiFi 6 devices ? If not, this is a non issue.

Simple logic,

when you connect WiFi 6 device to WiFi 6 router, you get WiFi 6 speeds
when you connect WiFi 6 device to WiFi 5 router, you get WiFi 5 speeds

It's always to go to the lowest denominator in the whole link.

If the mesh is linked over Wi-Fi , you will see some improvement due 5ghz-2
If the mesh is linked over Wired LAN, slightly better signal strength per node

 

[xiaofan]

I think the question is related to the situation where wireless backhaul is used. Asus RT-AX88U and Lyra Trio are all dual band routers. If the 5GHz band is used for the wireless back haul, then the speed/bandwidth of the AX88U will be reduced, right?

If the AX88U is already good enough for the full flat, then indeed it is better to use it alone without the Lyra Trio.

On the other hand, I think the connection between RT-AX88U and the main Lyra Trio node will be using wired. In that case, the wireless performance of the AX88U should not be affected, no matter for WiFi 6 client or WiFi 5 clients.

As for Zen WiFi CT8, indeed it may improve the performance compared to Lyra Trio since it is triband, especially for the two nodes using wireless backhaul, assuming hat is the case here. On the other hand, it may not be necessary if the AX88U plus the Lyra Trio already perform well (I think it should for 5 room flat).

 

[sword28]

Do you have WiFi 6 devices ? If not, this is a non issue.

Simple logic,

when you connect WiFi 6 device to WiFi 6 router, you get WiFi 6 speeds
when you connect WiFi 6 device to WiFi 5 router, you get WiFi 5 speeds

It's always to go to the lowest denominator in the whole link.

If the mesh is linked over Wi-Fi , you will see some improvement due 5ghz-2
If the mesh is linked over Wired LAN, slightly better signal strength per node

I guess only wifi 6 devices i have is Iphone 11.
so i guess you are also suggesting not to use together with Lyra?

 

[sword28]

I think the question is related to the situation where wireless backhaul is used. Asus RT-AX88U and Lyra Trio are all dual band routers. If the 5GHz band is used for the wireless back haul, then the speed/bandwidth of the AX88U will be reduced, right?

If the AX88U is already good enough for the full flat, then indeed it is better to use it alone without the Lyra Trio.

On the other hand, I think the connection between RT-AX88U and the main Lyra Trio node will be using wired. In that case, the wireless performance of the AX88U should not be affected, no matter for WiFi 6 client or WiFi 5 clients.

As for Zen WiFi CT8, indeed it may improve the performance compared to Lyra Trio since it is triband, especially for the two nodes using wireless backhaul, assuming hat is the case here. On the other hand, it may not be necessary if the AX88U plus the Lyra Trio already perform well (I think it should for 5 room flat).

Hi,
sorry for my noob, can you explain a bit more on the part of connecting the main Lyra node using wired to AX88U? does it mean if I do that, the wireless backhaul will be using the Lyra's dual bands? meaning Lyra will also be broadcasting another 2 SSIDs so that the dual bands of the AX88U will not be used for wireless backhual? if this is this the case, how can i set this up?

oh ... i did't realise that zenwifi ct8 is tri band, so do i still need to do likewise as Lyra, i.e. connect one of them via wired to the AX88U since AX88U is dual band.

If both zenwifi goes by wireless, does it mean the backhual will be ... AX88U --> Zenwifi via 5ghz and Zenwifi <--> Zenwife via 5ghz-2? doesn't sound right because the wireless performance will still be affected right?

again, sorry for my noob, quite confused about this backhual part.

thanks.

 

[flyingco]

I guess only wifi 6 devices i have is Iphone 11.
so i guess you are also suggesting not to use together with Lyra?

He is asking how many of your devices do you actually need WIFI 6 connectivity?


So in your case, only 1 device needs WIFI 6 connectivity. So do you really need a WIFI 6 connectivity really? However, WIFI 6 connectivity would mean you are future proofing your network as more devices get upgraded to WIFI 6.

 

[xonix]

Since your AX88U have not arrived and your contract not yet expired, I suggest set AX88U up first and see if you need additional nodes to expand WIFI coverage.

You can either do:
1) AX88U standalone ( if coverage is sufficient )
2) AX88U + Lyra nodes aimesh
3) AX88U + ______ ( to be decided )

 

[flyingco]

Hi,
sorry for my noob, can you explain a bit more on the part of connecting the main Lyra node using wired to AX88U? does it mean if I do that, the wireless backhaul will be using the Lyra's dual bands? meaning Lyra will also be broadcasting another 2 SSIDs so that the dual bands of the AX88U will not be used for wireless backhual? if this is this the case, how can i set this up?

oh ... i did't realise that zenwifi ct8 is tri band, so do i still need to do likewise as Lyra, i.e. connect one of them via wired to the AX88U since AX88U is dual band.

If both zenwifi goes by wireless, does it mean the backhual will be ... AX88U --> Zenwifi via 5ghz and Zenwifi <--> Zenwife via 5ghz-2? doesn't sound right because the wireless performance will still be affected right?

again, sorry for my noob, quite confused about this backhual part.

thanks.

I have almost the same setup as you. I have Lyra Mesh and Asus ROG GT-AC5300.

A triband router like AC88U has three channels. 2.4GHz, 5.1GHz and 5.2GHz. The last 5.2GHz is reserved for nodes to communicate with each other. Think of it as an expressway only meant for nodes so that packets of data can be sent faster between nodes and routers. This is then called the backhaul.

Backhaul can be divided into 2 types. Wireless and Ether.

Ethernet backhaul basically means Lyra is using communicating with AC5300 router via a fixed cable, which in theory can get higher speeds, depending on your CAT cable, simply because it is using cat cable instead of wireless.

Hope this explanation helps.

 

[sword28]

I have almost the same setup as you. I have Lyra Mesh and Asus ROG GT-AC5300.

A triband router like AC88U has three channels. 2.4GHz, 5.1GHz and 5.2GHz. The last 5.2GHz is reserved for nodes to communicate with each other. Think of it as an expressway only meant for nodes so that packets of data can be sent faster between nodes and routers. This is then called the backhaul.

Backhaul can be divided into 2 types. Wireless and Ether.

Ethernet backhaul basically means Lyra is using communicating with AC5300 router via a fixed cable, which in theory can get higher speeds, depending on your CAT cable, simply because it is using cat cable instead of wireless.

Hope this explanation helps.

yes, i understand what is ethernet vs wireless backhaul.
I also understand about dedicated band 5.2ghz for backhaul communication.
but what I don't understand is how it works in a mix tri and dual band routers setup.
that is how the AX88U (dual band) will work with zenwifi (tri band) in a mesh setup?
since AX88U is only dual band, how will it talk to the 5.2ghz band of the zenwifi?

 

[xonix]

yes, i understand what is ethernet vs wireless backhaul.
I also understand about dedicated band 5.2ghz for backhaul communication.
but what I don't understand is how it works in a mix tri and dual band routers setup.
that is how the AX88U (dual band) will work with zenwifi (tri band) in a mesh setup?
since AX88U is only dual band, how will it talk to the 5.2ghz band of the zenwifi?

Either the 2.4 or 5ghz on AX88U will do double duty loh...

 

[htngwilliam]

Assuming if AX88U uses its 5ghz band for backhaul? How much reduction are we expecting? The AX-88U has 4 channels of 833mhz. Assuming if reduction is 50%, the impact may not be huge right? 2 x 833mhz already very fast. Streaming 4k only takes 25mbps. Any thoughts?

 

[SGTips]

Have been trying to add Lyra node to my Zenwifi CT8 mesh. When searching for available nodes, nothing being found. Wonder whats the issue where all are updated to latest firmware.

Since your AX88U have not arrived and your contract not yet expired, I suggest set AX88U up first and see if you need additional nodes to expand WIFI coverage.

You can either do:
1) AX88U standalone ( if coverage is sufficient )
2) AX88U + Lyra nodes aimesh
3) AX88U + ______ ( to be decided )

 

[htngwilliam]

Why you add so many node to your mesh? Very big house?

 

[SGTips]

For Andriod TV Box. Wifi compares to wired, big difference. Lyra just nice rest on too of Andriod box and wired up.

Why you add so many node to your mesh? Very big house?

 

[saggice]

confirm your Lyra nodes will reduce your wifi 6 speeds, just tried and tested.
better if you just stay with your main router/

 

[xonix]

Have been trying to add Lyra node to my Zenwifi CT8 mesh. When searching for available nodes, nothing being found. Wonder whats the issue where all are updated to latest firmware.

Did you factory reset the Lyra nodes first ?