basic qn regarding buying sti

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For example I want to buy STI.

How will I buy it? Like in lots?

I have nv bought stocks b4, so hope someone can answer my simple qn.

Let's say I have $10,000. STI now 3200. How much can I buy?
Den it rise to 3300. How much would I earn?
 

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For example I want to buy STI.

How will I buy it? Like in lots?

I have nv bought stocks b4, so hope someone can answer my simple qn.

Let's say I have $10,000. STI now 3200. How much can I buy?
Den it rise to 3300. How much would I earn?

1 lot of STI etf cost $3200. 3 lots will cost around $9600 plus abit of brokerage fees.

If it rise to $3300, your 3 lots will have paper gain of $300.
 

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1 lot of STI etf cost $3200. 3 lots will cost around $9600 plus abit of brokerage fees.

If it rise to $3300, your 3 lots will have paper gain of $300.

Ahh I see thanks. So it works the same for all other stocks? As in the value (eg 3200)will be amount per lot, and 1:1 ratio with money.

Another qn is u raised that it's 300 paper gain. Care to explain more? Hope to hear some insights and learn.
 

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Ahh I see thanks. So it works the same for all other stocks? As in the value (eg 3200)will be amount per lot, and 1:1 ratio with money.

Another qn is u raised that it's 300 paper gain. Care to explain more? Hope to hear some insights and learn.

paper gain means u can earn $300 if u sell off at that point. aka unrealized profit (or loss)
 

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For example I want to buy STI.

How will I buy it? Like in lots?

I have nv bought stocks b4, so hope someone can answer my simple qn.

Let's say I have $10,000. STI now 3200. How much can I buy?
Den it rise to 3300. How much would I earn?

It doesn't quite work like that.

The STI is an index, not a stock, and the index itself isn't tradable (except through futures, which are outside the scope of what we're talking about here).

But! There are stocks that track the STI - the best-known is the STI ETF, stock code ES3. (ETF, incidentally, stands for "exchange-traded fund" - it's just like a unit trust, except that you can buy and sell it whenever you want instead of having to wait for the end of the day.)

One lot of ES3 is 1,000 shares, or $3,240 at yesterday's close. 1,000 shares of the ETF is very roughly equal to the value of the STI, so you'll be close enough if you pretend that a 100-point move in the index makes you $100 per lot.

So DW's math is exactly right.

When he talks about "paper" gains, he just means "gains that you haven't crystallised yet" - you've bought a thing for $10,000, but the thing is now worth $10,300, so you have $300 of "paper" or "unrealised" gains. When you sell your thing, the $300 will become a "realised" gain. (In practice, realised and unrealised gains are the same thing - an unrealised gain is worth just as much as a realised gain - but some people treat them differently.)
 

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It doesn't quite work like that.

The STI is an index, not a stock, and the index itself isn't tradable (except through futures, which are outside the scope of what we're talking about here).

But! There are stocks that track the STI - the best-known is the STI ETF, stock code ES3. (ETF, incidentally, stands for "exchange-traded fund" - it's just like a unit trust, except that you can buy and sell it whenever you want instead of having to wait for the end of the day.)

One lot of ES3 is 1,000 shares, or $3,240 at yesterday's close. 1,000 shares of the ETF is very roughly equal to the value of the STI, so you'll be close enough if you pretend that a 100-point move in the index makes you $100 per lot.

So DW's math is exactly right.

When he talks about "paper" gains, he just means "gains that you haven't crystallised yet" - you've bought a thing for $10,000, but the thing is now worth $10,300, so you have $300 of "paper" or "unrealised" gains. When you sell your thing, the $300 will become a "realised" gain. (In practice, realised and unrealised gains are the same thing - an unrealised gain is worth just as much as a realised gain - but some people treat them differently.)

Ah ok I guess I was reading too much into the paper gain there.

And yes was referring to sti etf. So most if not all stocks have values that are close to 1:1 rate with money?
 

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alternatively u can buy Nikko AM Singapore STI ETF(G3B). it is traded in a lot size of 100 units and u can buy 32 lots with $10,000. manager's and trustee's annual fees applies and it is less than 1% per annum. :o
 

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And yes was referring to sti etf. So most if not all stocks have values that are close to 1:1 rate with money?

Not sure what you're saying here. All stocks have a value that's 1:1 with money: when you hear that DBS's share price is $15.97, that means it costs exactly fifteen dollars and ninety-seven cents to buy one share of DBS.

The difference is that the STI's an index (remember I said before that you can't invest in an index?), and the STI ETF is a stock that tracks that index. So the STI ETF is $3.22 per share ($3220 per lot), and the STI's at 3184; the two prices don't necessarily have to differ by a factor of 1,000; the STI ETF was just designed that way to make it easy for investors to do the math.
 

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Can experts advise what are all the sti etf available, pros and con of each?
 

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alternatively u can buy Nikko AM Singapore STI ETF(G3B). it is traded in a lot size of 100 units and u can buy 32 lots with $10,000. manager's and trustee's annual fees applies and it is less than 1% per annum. :o

How's the daily volume for G3B?
Would it be hard to sell at a later point in time? Because you will have a hard time finding people wanting to buy a 100 units instead of 1000 units?
 

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How's the daily volume for G3B?
Would it be hard to sell at a later point in time? Because you will have a hard time finding people wanting to buy a 100 units instead of 1000 units?

If you sell at market, Nikko AM will buy from you.
 

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Can experts advise what are all the sti etf available, pros and con of each?

There's two main ones:

* StreetTracks STI ETF (stock code ES3): larger lot size (1k shares), but more liquidity and tighter spreads;
* Nikko Asset Management STI ETF (stock code G3B): smaller lot size (100 shares), but slightly wider spreads.

Basically, if you can afford the ES3 version, you should go for it; but if you can't, the G3B version is fine.
 

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There's two main ones:

* StreetTracks STI ETF (stock code ES3): larger lot size (1k shares), but more liquidity and tighter spreads;
* Nikko Asset Management STI ETF (stock code G3B): smaller lot size (100 shares), but slightly wider spreads.

Basically, if you can afford the ES3 version, you should go for it; but if you can't, the G3B version is fine.

If you sell at market, Nikko AM will buy from you.

Can I ask who will actually buy from you if you decide to sell your stock?
For example, I have 100 stocks of Nikko AM and I decide to sell it. Does that mean Nikko AM will buy from me? Or another retail investors who would want to purchase 100 stocks at the price I am selling?
 

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For example, I have 100 stocks of Nikko AM and I decide to sell it. Does that mean Nikko AM will buy from me? Or another retail investors who would want to purchase 100 stocks at the price I am selling?

Nikko AM will not buy it from you. You place the sell order with your broker and they will then offer it to the market where other retail investors such as yourself may or may not decide to buy.
 

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IF all the Nikko ETF investors decide to sell their shares then what happen ? The manager what to sell all the asset and return the cash to investors. If ones study the US ETF market, there are many that go bust because the funds become too small to be sustained.

Read here on the mechanism of ETF.
An Inside Look At ETF Construction
 

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Low trading volume = Low liquidity

I think its time that everyone wake up and debunk this fallacy. Just click the following link and monitor it everyday.

Securities Market Information From Singapore Exchange Ltd | SGX

If you open up your eyes and observe long enough, you will notice that most ETFs have 0 traded volume but there will always be buy/sell queues being filled up. These are the market makers that are willing to accept traders/investors buy/sell orders at any time of the day.
 

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Low trading volume = Low liquidity

I think its time that everyone wake up and debunk this fallacy. Just click the following link and monitor it everyday.

Securities Market Information From Singapore Exchange Ltd | SGX

If you open up your eyes and observe long enough, you will notice that most ETFs have 0 traded volume but there will always be buy/sell queues being filled up. These are the market makers that are willing to accept traders/investors buy/sell orders at any time of the day.

I think you should be the one to wake up from your own version of fallacy, by saying that, it shows u do not understand what liquidity means and it's implication. You don't have to open up your eyes to observe the market and u would have known the market makers are there, if you really have invested or traded long enough in stock market, promoting your blog and advising others here, it's quite sad that u are trying to reprimand others over here for providing useless info.

What u are saying is not wrong but a redundant statement and sound so arrogant, pardon me that i sound rude too but i just can't stand it when someone giving redundant statement and yet sound so arrogant.

Look at Shiny Things statement again and think about whether your statement of low traded volume not equal to low liquidity makes any sense.

There's two main ones:

* StreetTracks STI ETF (stock code ES3): larger lot size (1k shares), but more liquidity and tighter spreads;
* Nikko Asset Management STI ETF (stock code G3B): smaller lot size (100 shares), but slightly wider spreads.

Basically, if you can afford the ES3 version, you should go for it; but if you can't, the G3B version is fine.
 
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