C++ where to go now

[shiodong]

errrm its confucian not confusion lol. im confused myself with the spelling. my fault
i think early xposure to many different things is important. tat said, confucian style will be lacking since its more towards specialising, toward a common goal.
also i rmb an sg kid created some apps which is earning him some good $$. he did that by just grabbing the sample codes on net and piece them 2gether.

 

[davidktw]

errrm its confucian not confusion lol. im confused myself with the spelling. my fault
i think early xposure to many different things is important. tat said, confucian style will be lacking since its more towards specialising, toward a common goal.
also i rmb an sg kid created some apps which is earning him some good $$. he did that by just grabbing the sample codes on net and piece them 2gether.

There are many paths to reach rome, but the interesting thing about education is there is no one objective that you need to reach, it's tree structure where you reach multiple points, some may brand off more and some just ended there and you need to branch off again. In fact, who says there must be only 1 tree ? You can always start another tree and keep doing it.

As for the sg kid example you quoted, that is not exactly what I will say a good example of education. We can give it to the kid for being opportunistic, but I won't give him or her a pat on the back for doing the right thing. We want younger generations that can solve tomorrow's problem, not solving today's problem. Plagiarism is not going to get the necessary foundation on long run.

 

[shiodong]

tats the general direction of education itself: learning never stops till you stop. but here our system is such that it ends with a cert and employers look at certs(there are exceptions though). the next step after getting the cert is to learn more and get more certs LOL. but learning for enjoyment/passion doesn't necessarily needs certification. and for certain you dont need a cert to be a manager or boss or entrepreneur. after mastering your passion, next jump will be to be your own boss and employ ppl with certs.
(mmm am i still on ts topic?)
ok, another possibility us kids know programming is that there are many famous US billionaires in the tech sector like BillGates. they look up to them(same country) and from there, researched and learnt about IT stuff. as in my reply earlier, computer magazines come with shareware and freeware tools in diskettes and cd(cheap) in the early 90s. with their mastery of english, it shouldn't be too difficult to learn. problem i face is i'm neither good with both eng and 2nd language.
sometimes you learn by copying first. its not exactly right but it can be another way to learn as well. he can't write full codes but he understands wat he's copying. i believe he's prolific now.

 

[Bonadaly]

There are many paths to reach rome, but the interesting thing about education is there is no one objective that you need to reach, it's tree structure where you reach multiple points, some may brand off more and some just ended there and you need to branch off again. In fact, who says there must be only 1 tree ? You can always start another tree and keep doing it.

As for the sg kid example you quoted, that is not exactly what I will say a good example of education. We can give it to the kid for being opportunistic, but I won't give him or her a pat on the back for doing the right thing. We want younger generations that can solve tomorrow's problem, not solving today's problem. Plagiarism is not going to get the necessary foundation on long run.

Sometimes using the method of bricolage might work in solving problems.

 

[davidktw]

tats the general direction of education itself: learning never stops till you stop. but here our system is such that it ends with a cert and employers look at certs(there are exceptions though). the next step after getting the cert is to learn more and get more certs LOL. but learning for enjoyment/passion doesn't necessarily needs certification. and for certain you dont need a cert to be a manager or boss or entrepreneur. after mastering your passion, next jump will be to be your own boss and employ ppl with certs.
(mmm am i still on ts topic?)
ok, another possibility us kids know programming is that there are many famous US billionaires in the tech sector like BillGates. they look up to them(same country) and from there, researched and learnt about IT stuff. as in my reply earlier, computer magazines come with shareware and freeware tools in diskettes and cd(cheap) in the early 90s. with their mastery of english, it shouldn't be too difficult to learn. problem i face is i'm neither good with both eng and 2nd language.
sometimes you learn by copying first. its not exactly right but it can be another way to learn as well. he can't write full codes but he understands wat he's copying. i believe he's prolific now.

Well the beggar cannot choose, that's for sure. However we are not in the discussion of what is the last resort to seek education right here. If there are not better mode of learning available, I will say, anything works. But given that options are available, I will not in the first occasion recommend copying as the approach to learn.

There is a proper attitude to learning that one must acquired besides just pure knowledge of other subjects. The knowledge to learning is just as important as knowledge of other kinds. Once a person get used to plagiarism, it will be a stigma that is hard to remove.

Besides, what kind of person is trained from copying from the Internet ? I can't imagine if one day the Internet just collapsed, will education cease ? Since you have mentioned about sharewares and free tools given in diskettes back in the early 90s, I believe you would agree computing happens before even Internet or even networks are created. Obviously we can't turn back time for discussion, but the notation of proper channels and attitude to learning shouldn't deviate just because it is possible to copy and paste as a learning avenue. Such routines in my opinions are one of the worse kind of learning attitude one can have.

 

[davidktw]

Sometimes using the method of bricolage might work in solving problems.

It will be a limited kind of knowledge, one that must rely on the presences of related works, which I wouldn't condone nor recommend. While we often learn by examples, the attitude that one should acquire from such is references for derivates works. Meaning you can use examples as indirect references but shouldn't be direct building blocks to one's work.

I'm quite sure a diligent and intelligent person can learn with better pride and integrity as oppose to plagiarism. It's not to say one can't eventually realise the importance of be original. But how many will ? Do you really think out of 10 students, plagiarism will make them think harder and further than using the readily available solution right in front of their eyes ? I bet not and I hardly witness such. There are always outliers in all scenarios, but is that the kind of teaching methodology you will want to educate your younger generations to pursue ? I'm afraid not, it is more likely they will take it in the most unexpected manner instead of realising the importance to learn responsibly.

 

[shiodong]

well, given my limited thinking capability, this topic on edu sys is beyond me. i'm just here to share my thoughts to the ts how US kids know programming at such young age.
(those days again)like i said, those books/mags come with programming sw like compilers/assemblers. in sg where can you find such thing without spending hundeds if not thousands, except maybe pirated copies? even those are hard to find since barely any1 buys them. if you're the parent you'll definitely think thrice before spending that sum.
so as the kids progress they'll want better sw like ms c++ etc. but if they lose interest later, hey its just a book/mag's price to pay for the parent. knowledge should be free or at least cheap and readily available IDEALLY. that will plant lots of seeds and some of those seed will grow up to become something bigger and better. peace out

 

[Bonadaly]

Germany's Samwer Brothers To Become Billionaires With Rocket Internet IPO - Forbes

Samwer brothers are doing well despite being a copycat.....

They take business ideas from American companies and duplicate them in other markets.

Execution is more important than having original ideas

They are owner of Zalora......

It will be a limited kind of knowledge, one that must rely on the presences of related works, which I wouldn't condone nor recommend. While we often learn by examples, the attitude that one should acquire from such is references for derivates works. Meaning you can use examples as indirect references but shouldn't be direct building blocks to one's work.

I'm quite sure a diligent and intelligent person can learn with better pride and integrity as oppose to plagiarism. It's not to say one can't eventually realise the importance of be original. But how many will ? Do you really think out of 10 students, plagiarism will make them think harder and further than using the readily available solution right in front of their eyes ? I bet not and I hardly witness such. There are always outliers in all scenarios, but is that the kind of teaching methodology you will want to educate your younger generations to pursue ? I'm afraid not, it is more likely they will take it in the most unexpected manner instead of realising the importance to learn responsibly.

 

[davidktw]

Germany's Samwer Brothers To Become Billionaires With Rocket Internet IPO - Forbes

Samwer brothers are doing well despite being a copycat.....

They take business ideas from American companies and duplicate them in other markets.

Execution is more important than having original ideas

They are owner of Zalora......

Sure. There are plentiful of copycats around us too. If you don't mind, then just teach your kids in the future do that, you shall see if they will end up like Samwer Brothers or with the sewage.

Reading just a few sentences off the articles wouldn't be sufficient enough to know what is not written there which made their success today.

Don't take the words like copycat and duplicate in these contexts too literally, there are a lot of hidden hardworks that create the scenario they are now. It's just a surface value when you say "duplicate" something from one industry to another. What entails behind these duplication are often more innovative than copy and paste. In actual terms, we would call it transformation since different industries works differently. The innovation is how to "transform".

 

[alifffresto]

ok senpais, need some help here

i know the getline(cin, string) ignores white spaces but how does one enter string without even having cin >> string??? eg:

cout << "\n\n\n\tPlease Enter Asset Number: " << //Asset number
cin >> AsstNo; // this will prompt user to enter something

cout << "\n\n\n\tPlease Enter Brief Description of item: "; //Description of item
getline(cin, Desc); // this will skip entirely and move to the next line which is cout.
//if i add cin >> Desc before getline; will this stored as "Desc"?


cout<<"\n\n\n\tItem Created..\n";


****ok nvm, solve it myslef. just need to add cin.ignore().