Reuters| In China, the AI bubble has already burst

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While global tech stocks teeter, in China they have already crashed as lofty valuations collapse under worries about AI demand and curbs on Chinese exports.

The meltdown, tanking the mainland STAR50 index of AI and semiconductor leaders by 40% in less than four months and vaporising some US$480 billion (S$615 billion) in market value, is an ill omen for wobbly world markets and a dampener on China’s efforts at encouraging its savers into stocks to fund the AI boom.

It has also slammed the brakes on a rally running two years, since economic stimulus promises sent shares soaring, and has stalled Beijing’s push to break with a long boom-bust pattern and drive a “slow bull” market that delivers reliable performance.

China’s broad blue-chip index has dropped about 20% from highs made in June.

“The stock market later evolved into a speculative crazy bull,” said Beijing-based fund manager Dong Baozhen. “And now we see the bubble bursting.”

The reversal reflects a rally that ran to higher heights than markets in the West or elsewhere in Asia, and compares with a mere prick to US AI stocks, which have led a 6% drawdown in the Nasdaq from a record high scaled three weeks ago.

There has been no obvious selling trigger in China, although traders said high prices, tax bills and the threat of the US or other nations banning Chinese equipment in data centres all contributed.

See article @ https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/in-china-the-ai-bubble-has-already-burst
 

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While global tech stocks teeter, in China they have already crashed as lofty valuations collapse under worries about AI demand and curbs on Chinese exports.

The meltdown, tanking the mainland STAR50 index of AI and semiconductor leaders by 40% in less than four months and vaporising some US$480 billion (S$615 billion) in market value, is an ill omen for wobbly world markets and a dampener on China’s efforts at encouraging its savers into stocks to fund the AI boom.

It has also slammed the brakes on a rally running two years, since economic stimulus promises sent shares soaring, and has stalled Beijing’s push to break with a long boom-bust pattern and drive a “slow bull” market that delivers reliable performance.

China’s broad blue-chip index has dropped about 20% from highs made in June.

“The stock market later evolved into a speculative crazy bull,” said Beijing-based fund manager Dong Baozhen. “And now we see the bubble bursting.”

The reversal reflects a rally that ran to higher heights than markets in the West or elsewhere in Asia, and compares with a mere prick to US AI stocks, which have led a 6% drawdown in the Nasdaq from a record high scaled three weeks ago.

There has been no obvious selling trigger in China, although traders said high prices, tax bills and the threat of the US or other nations banning Chinese equipment in data centres all contributed.

See article @ https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/in-china-the-ai-bubble-has-already-burst


you forgot something,

anytime , XJP can just cut off the relation with outside, forcing the hands of usa to counter.

half of their problems are self made,

e.g tofu cars or tech.

their software might be at a higher level than what we can, here, produce, but AI is really entirely new , we arent 5years in yet, to see major bubbles forming e.g over leveraging on bank loans, or investors without backing , at least on surface
 

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I don't think AI is a bubble. It is too deeply entrenched into everyday work and life. I won't be surprised if the UN declares AI use a human necessity and right (like clean water and even the internet).
Infrastructure yes, there's only so much processing hardware that can be deployed or fake deployed/promised 😂
 

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I don't think AI is a bubble. It is too deeply entrenched into everyday work and life. I won't be surprised if the UN declares AI use a human necessity and right (like clean water and even the internet).
Infrastructure yes, there's only so much processing hardware that can be deployed or fake deployed/promised 😂
AI already used in war to identify bombing targets. Or was used as scape goat for the bombing mistakes.
 

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China stock went down mainly because the govt go disturb baba again.

They whacked from potential 600 valuation till 80 bucks. Nobody has confidence anymore and it was stuck for years. China govt also did not dare to disturb again until recently.

China Ai is very efficient and cost really little to run. Deepseek even showed how you can build your own server, the potential cost and revealed that they can squeeze alot margin. If ai is a bubble in China, then the issue is many times worse in USA.
 

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I don't think AI is a bubble. It is too deeply entrenched into everyday work and life. I won't be surprised if the UN declares AI use a human necessity and right (like clean water and even the internet).
Infrastructure yes, there's only so much processing hardware that can be deployed or fake deployed/promised 😂
Now the problems is all the countries are trying to legislate AI into within their control...

The media reported what AI generating non-consensual porn.... it is ridiculous, the face of the celebrity maybe used... but is it really them acting out.. no right.. I know you can say they did not consent to their face being used but... eventually that so called bad thing might end up a good thing if they did have some old videos in risk of being leaked... of course it could be abused to bully someone.... like using a bully victim in some de-meaning video and spreading it around... so some laws to control this is necessary.

And some say likeness is being infringed.. I mean.. if they talking about likeness... then no matter how you generate AI... it is going to look like some human being unless they ban generating humans using AI.
 
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China stock went down mainly because the govt go disturb baba again.

They whacked from potential 600 valuation till 80 bucks. Nobody has confidence anymore and it was stuck for years. China govt also did not dare to disturb again until recently.

China Ai is very efficient and cost really little to run. Deepseek even showed how you can build your own server, the potential cost and revealed that they can squeeze alot margin. If ai is a bubble in China, then the issue is many times worse in USA.
You just look at the amount of AI generated drama series they are spamming... it literally killing their booming minidrama industry... a lot of actors and actresses losing jobs... and of course those working in the background...
 

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they are socialist , play with hammer and sickle

stock market is capitalism tool ... not suitable for them
 

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The tech stocks are down as a whole because the govt recently harass baba again. It can molest baba from 600 valuation till 100, when the hands come out again, the market crash.

China Ai are so much more efficient how to burst. Deepseek recently even show how to set up the servers and their margin.

Claude kept saying Kimi stole their data via distillation and improved due to that. Then not long ago they said they covered all the loopholes nobody can steal and improve from their work anymore.
But instead Kimi just released a new 3.1 pro which is almost equivalent to frontier.

For sme, api cost is damn important. Don't mean you must use all Claude or all deepseek. You can use deepseek to do agentic heavy work and claude as supervisor.

Cost is one thing, another problem is red tapes. Claude and openai can't uncensor them.
 
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Claude kept saying Kimi stole their data and improved due to that. Then not long ago they said they covered all the loopholes nobody can steal and improve from their work anymore.
But instead Kimi just released a new 3.1 pro which is almost equivalent to frontier.
US AI companies hire PRCs to work in their companies. Why would they be surprised?
 
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