Complete NS= auto citizenship?

[SeNiPmAt]

Article 122(1) of the CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE states that:



http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/sear...000 TransactionTime:20170114000000;rec=0#P1X-.

So given your Father is a Singapore Citizen, the question will now be:

Is your father a Singapore Citizen by BIRTH or REGISTRATION. Exact definition of BIRTH or REGISTRATION is best for you to go to that link and read it for yourself.

So if your question is yes to that, than something is fishy.

It's either you have been misinformed from the very beginning which makes you feel unjust, or there are some other criteria you didn't meet.

TS should be misinformed.

 

[SeNiPmAt]

My PR friends who have Singaporean Parents (1, usually father) had to apply after NS (didn't hear them say anything about SAF helping them send the application ><) and they got it pretty quick.

Maybe in Roy's case ... rly suay. Can totally imagine the feeling, having lived here for almost your whole life, go through NS and the peeps at ICA/MINDEF give a shitty response ><

Your PR friend is patriotic.

 

[SeNiPmAt]

Nope i wasnt even offered any form of citizenship when i was borned in Bangkok. If i was offered citizenship, my dad would gave gladly make me Singapore citizen rather than Thai citizenship. Cause both my parents would want me to be a Singaporean instead.

I dont know, but it is overall a very unfair world for me. Thats what i felt back then after i ORD. Angry and feeling "used" after all i have done.

Thai citizenship has its benefits.

 

[SeNiPmAt]

Eh, if your dad is a singapore citizen, even if you are born overseas, u should be entitled to a Singapore citizen from birth.

Something is fishy here.

Even if that's not the case, if you are born in Singapore to parents who aren't Singaporeans, if not wrong you are entitled to PR from birth also. Further more your dad is a citizen. So I dunno who you only get PR at 18.

About your citizenship, sounds like you unit didn't even submit the application rather than u not being offered.

Born overseas shouldn't be Singaporean.

 

[Shion]

But the completion of NS boost your chance of getting citizenship.

And applying it when still serving is even better

 

[SeNiPmAt]

Can apply but not 100% sure get.

If never get, just fight for it, be it appeal to ICA or talk to MP etc.

MP can't do much on immigration issues.

 

[SeNiPmAt]

And applying it when still serving is even better

Yes it is better.

 

[SeNiPmAt]

My unit's guys got offered citizenship by end of ord assuming they got good service record

That is usually the case.

 

[Mr Brown]

Here is my story.

I was born in Bangkok, came to Singapore at the age of 3, and was raised here with my parents. My dad is Singaporean while my mum is Thai.

I was only offered PR when i was at the age of 18. Cause i don't see myself going back to Bangkok and start my life there. I don't have friends there, I never study there, neither did i like the life there back then. And since most of my childhood and friends that i have in Singapore, I don't even think of moving back to Bangkok.

I served NS here at 2009. The first thing when i went to BMT Tekong, i was hand over a letter inside the green case that they hand out to all the recruits. It states that during my NS journey, in between i would be given the opportunity to get my citizenship, however based on good "performance".

1.5 years have passed. I was a Transport Operator back then in 1st Transport Battalion. I was not offered any citizenship. I even went through calling MINDEF for my case, every time i called they will just brushed me away and say pending application, i even asked why is my application held back so long? And all they can tell me is that MINDEF is not willing to sponsor. Days have passed, 2 months before i ORD, no news ever came. Till the day i ORD, i was still a PR.

I do not enjoy any kind of benefits as a PR, neither did i have any form of citizenship rights, and it is very frustrating.

So what i did was to call ICA, ICA mentioned that there was no application submitted from MINDEF at all. I was so angry.

In the end i appealed for it, i went to the meet the peoples session for AMK GRC and appeal for my case.

I feel so sad that i sacrificed 2 years of my time, and i was denied citizenship.

So after the appeal, ICA replied and asked me to resubmit my application as a new application. And finally they managed to get hold of MINDEF for my file, and a month later, i was finally given Citizenship.

I think i would like to make it clear to all those young male foreigners intending to take PR in Singapore, you must be aware that, it does not mean that you go through NS in Singapore means you are entitled to get citizenship.

Yet again i pity those whom have spend their time serving the nation, and yet it was not recognise as hard work, and fighting along side with all your NS buddies, and yet was never given citizenship.

I hope that MINDEF can take things seriously, and give citizenship to those whom served NS rather than ICA giving PR and citizenship so easily to other foreigners whom enter Singapore to work. I hope they can review their policy again.

wah this is sad cos 2006-2009 was the massive wave of new citizens

think Singapore do it by batches, that intake for tiongs, pinoy (2010-2012) then indians (2012-2014)

thais just slip thru

 

[chehjin]

Nope i wasnt even offered any form of citizenship when i was borned in Bangkok. If i was offered citizenship, my dad would gave gladly make me Singapore citizen rather than Thai citizenship. Cause both my parents would want me to be a Singaporean instead.

I dont know, but it is overall a very unfair world for me. Thats what i felt back then after i ORD. Angry and feeling "used" after all i have done.

your dad has to apply before you turn 1. If he did, you wouldn't had to go through all this.

https://www.mfa.gov.sg/content/mfa/overseasmission/xiamen/consular_services/citizen.html

 

[Calander]

Here is my story.

I was born in Bangkok, came to Singapore at the age of 3, and was raised here with my parents. My dad is Singaporean while my mum is Thai.

I was only offered PR when i was at the age of 18. Cause i don't see myself going back to Bangkok and start my life there. I don't have friends there, I never study there, neither did i like the life there back then. And since most of my childhood and friends that i have in Singapore, I don't even think of moving back to Bangkok.

I served NS here at 2009. The first thing when i went to BMT Tekong, i was hand over a letter inside the green case that they hand out to all the recruits. It states that during my NS journey, in between i would be given the opportunity to get my citizenship, however based on good "performance".

1.5 years have passed. I was a Transport Operator back then in 1st Transport Battalion. I was not offered any citizenship. I even went through calling MINDEF for my case, every time i called they will just brushed me away and say pending application, i even asked why is my application held back so long? And all they can tell me is that MINDEF is not willing to sponsor. Days have passed, 2 months before i ORD, no news ever came. Till the day i ORD, i was still a PR.

I do not enjoy any kind of benefits as a PR, neither did i have any form of citizenship rights, and it is very frustrating.

So what i did was to call ICA, ICA mentioned that there was no application submitted from MINDEF at all. I was so angry.

In the end i appealed for it, i went to the meet the peoples session for AMK GRC and appeal for my case.

I feel so sad that i sacrificed 2 years of my time, and i was denied citizenship.

So after the appeal, ICA replied and asked me to resubmit my application as a new application. And finally they managed to get hold of MINDEF for my file, and a month later, i was finally given Citizenship.

I think i would like to make it clear to all those young male foreigners intending to take PR in Singapore, you must be aware that, it does not mean that you go through NS in Singapore means you are entitled to get citizenship.

Yet again i pity those whom have spend their time serving the nation, and yet it was not recognise as hard work, and fighting along side with all your NS buddies, and yet was never given citizenship.

I hope that MINDEF can take things seriously, and give citizenship to those whom served NS rather than ICA giving PR and citizenship so easily to other foreigners whom enter Singapore to work. I hope they can review their policy again.

curious to understand on how was it that you were only given PR at age 18, given that you were in Sg since the age of 3. Therefore, what kind of residency or immigration status had you been holding on?

next question is critical. was the PR status given to you before your 18th birthday or after? because based on the following quoted from ICA website for PR (https://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151):

"They are required to register for NS upon reaching 16½ years old and will be scheduled for enlistment at the earliest opportunity upon reaching 18 years old."

Meaning that, if your PR was given after your 18th birthday, u are not required to undertake National Service. Also, how did you obtained the PR status? Was it given by the country or through application?

If was through application, why only when you are nearing to age 18?

Nevertheless, based on another condition of citizenship as quoted from ICA website (https://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=132):

"The following persons may be considered for Singapore Citizenship:
- Spouse of Singapore Citizen who has been married for at least 2 years, and has been a Singapore Permanent Resident for at least 2 years."

i am really curious on your situation if your parents are aware on such policies in placed, especially for the latter.

 

[Illusionist_85]

Got one incident in the past, Ogawa Ryuju

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[Kyoji83]

I was a HR & the Hiring Manager ask me about a candidate why PR still needs to serve NS (Reservist). I reply him it is a must under enlistment act.

The the candidate get hire & share more story about himself. He also hear about the citizenship conversion by NS & apply by his S1 branch through his commander. After ORD for many years with few ICT, he still did not hear any news from MINDEF & still a PR before I left the company.

Here is my story.

I was born in Bangkok, came to Singapore at the age of 3, and was raised here with my parents. My dad is Singaporean while my mum is Thai.

I was only offered PR when i was at the age of 18. Cause i don't see myself going back to Bangkok and start my life there. I don't have friends there, I never study there, neither did i like the life there back then. And since most of my childhood and friends that i have in Singapore, I don't even think of moving back to Bangkok.

I served NS here at 2009. The first thing when i went to BMT Tekong, i was hand over a letter inside the green case that they hand out to all the recruits. It states that during my NS journey, in between i would be given the opportunity to get my citizenship, however based on good "performance".

1.5 years have passed. I was a Transport Operator back then in 1st Transport Battalion. I was not offered any citizenship. I even went through calling MINDEF for my case, every time i called they will just brushed me away and say pending application, i even asked why is my application held back so long? And all they can tell me is that MINDEF is not willing to sponsor. Days have passed, 2 months before i ORD, no news ever came. Till the day i ORD, i was still a PR.

I do not enjoy any kind of benefits as a PR, neither did i have any form of citizenship rights, and it is very frustrating.

So what i did was to call ICA, ICA mentioned that there was no application submitted from MINDEF at all. I was so angry.

In the end i appealed for it, i went to the meet the peoples session for AMK GRC and appeal for my case.

I feel so sad that i sacrificed 2 years of my time, and i was denied citizenship.

So after the appeal, ICA replied and asked me to resubmit my application as a new application. And finally they managed to get hold of MINDEF for my file, and a month later, i was finally given Citizenship.

I think i would like to make it clear to all those young male foreigners intending to take PR in Singapore, you must be aware that, it does not mean that you go through NS in Singapore means you are entitled to get citizenship.

Yet again i pity those whom have spend their time serving the nation, and yet it was not recognise as hard work, and fighting along side with all your NS buddies, and yet was never given citizenship.

I hope that MINDEF can take things seriously, and give citizenship to those whom served NS rather than ICA giving PR and citizenship so easily to other foreigners whom enter Singapore to work. I hope they can review their policy again.