[Consolidated] s-ghost threads on property and insurance agents

Water Bottle

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Govt don't care why should sellers care?
1 couple selling pwn another couple buying.
1 family selling pwn another family buying.
Don't blame the players & the game.
Blame yourself for not able to join in.
 

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Forum: Singapore’s public housing market needs a reality check​

Four years ago, I wrote about public housing affordability as a first-time buyer (A battle between prudence and emotion in buying HDB home, Dec 28, 2021).

Now, at the precipice of my flat’s Minimum Occupation Period (MOP), I am bewildered. A property portal estimates I could make $200,000 in capital gains. Even older flats have appreciated beyond inflation, despite imminent lease decay. A deluge of fliers from property agents urging home owners to upgrade may explain why.

The Government’s efforts to boost housing supply and temper prices are commendable. But beyond supply and demand, exuberant price expectations fuelled by property agents are distorting the market.

In the 1980s, my in-laws purchased a flat in Tampines for $100,000. Over time, they upgraded to private property, with most of their home ownership journey funded by capital appreciation. Today, they live mortgage-free in a condominium in East Coast _ a testament to the outsize capital gains once possible in the housing market.

But Singapore has already transited to a First World nation, and we are unlikely to see an encore performance of the economic conditions that allowed for such windfalls. Yet, property agents continue to pander to our intrinsic desire to profit from public housing.

This is partly systemic. Property agents benefit from higher prices and more transactions. Their incentives are misaligned with sustainable home ownership, yet guard rails remain weak.

Agents now go door-to-door in Build-To-Order (BTO) estates reaching MOP, pitching dreams of windfall profit. They feed the belief that housing prices can only go up, dismissive of ageing demographics, falling birth rates and economic uncertainty. They argue that limited land supply and the Government’s cooling measures guarantee resilience. They peddle a narrative that property is a haven, a wealth generator and a status symbol.


This culture worries me. I have seen peers overextend themselves chasing property dreams. One pooled family savings just to show proof of funds for a larger loan. His mortgage now consumes 60 per cent of household income. Irrational exuberance has trumped financial prudence.

We should stop sensationalising million-dollar HDB transactions and crack down on irresponsible advertising by agents who promise cash-over-valuation deals or encourage buyers to over-leverage. Such measures, alongside the new HDB Resale Flat Listing service, can promote greater transparency, lower middleman costs, and empower Singaporeans to make financially sound housing decisions.

While we cannot undo the commodification of public housing, we can curtail those who stoke unsustainable expectations. We should not wait for the next boom-bust cycle for housing prices to normalise. A soft landing requires decisive action now – before optimism turns into a crisis.

Elgenia Wong Tien Min
Even without RES pitch, does Eigenia think homeowners are kum gong and dunno their property price? They monitor even more fiercely than RES.
 

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it just screws the young buyers.

Anyways sg median age is 42.8 eh? Next GE will be 42.8 plus 4 or 5. So it will be which party can maintain my HDB price and secure my retirement.

Let the young ones suffer with mortgages. People like my parents who benefitted from HDB rising price obviously happy since they gg retire and hdb worth million.

Still can tell me govt got help young ppl buy subsidising more than last time. But pls la, last time 1 father can feed whole family (wife + 2 kids).

Now leh? Unless high flying jod, else also need 2 ppl to feed

Is okay, just welcome new shitizens and make the young ones suffer.
Let the next generation huan lo.. Don't buy sleep on the street

Anyway, isn't govt promise good high pay jobs for sinkies?? :s13:
 

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Pap gahment is biggest agent and landlord. See how latest fujian example of wanting be greedy middleman commission taker

it’s structural and to change, we needed to give this agent a 56 and not 65.

It’s over TS, we are doom :o
 

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Even without RES pitch, does Eigenia think homeowners are kum gong and dunno their property price? They monitor even more fiercely than RES.
The typical salty mindset that losers have

Homeowners are not stupid either. Since this Eigenia so saint, ask her sell her property at the price she bought from HDB or even lower, since its a depreciating mindset
 

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Forum: Singapore’s public housing market needs a reality check​

Four years ago, I wrote about public housing affordability as a first-time buyer (A battle between prudence and emotion in buying HDB home, Dec 28, 2021).

Now, at the precipice of my flat’s Minimum Occupation Period (MOP), I am bewildered. A property portal estimates I could make $200,000 in capital gains. Even older flats have appreciated beyond inflation, despite imminent lease decay. A deluge of fliers from property agents urging home owners to upgrade may explain why.

The Government’s efforts to boost housing supply and temper prices are commendable. But beyond supply and demand, exuberant price expectations fuelled by property agents are distorting the market.

In the 1980s, my in-laws purchased a flat in Tampines for $100,000. Over time, they upgraded to private property, with most of their home ownership journey funded by capital appreciation. Today, they live mortgage-free in a condominium in East Coast _ a testament to the outsize capital gains once possible in the housing market.

But Singapore has already transited to a First World nation, and we are unlikely to see an encore performance of the economic conditions that allowed for such windfalls. Yet, property agents continue to pander to our intrinsic desire to profit from public housing.

This is partly systemic. Property agents benefit from higher prices and more transactions. Their incentives are misaligned with sustainable home ownership, yet guard rails remain weak.

Agents now go door-to-door in Build-To-Order (BTO) estates reaching MOP, pitching dreams of windfall profit. They feed the belief that housing prices can only go up, dismissive of ageing demographics, falling birth rates and economic uncertainty. They argue that limited land supply and the Government’s cooling measures guarantee resilience. They peddle a narrative that property is a haven, a wealth generator and a status symbol.


This culture worries me. I have seen peers overextend themselves chasing property dreams. One pooled family savings just to show proof of funds for a larger loan. His mortgage now consumes 60 per cent of household income. Irrational exuberance has trumped financial prudence.

We should stop sensationalising million-dollar HDB transactions and crack down on irresponsible advertising by agents who promise cash-over-valuation deals or encourage buyers to over-leverage. Such measures, alongside the new HDB Resale Flat Listing service, can promote greater transparency, lower middleman costs, and empower Singaporeans to make financially sound housing decisions.

While we cannot undo the commodification of public housing, we can curtail those who stoke unsustainable expectations. We should not wait for the next boom-bust cycle for housing prices to normalise. A soft landing requires decisive action now – before optimism turns into a crisis.

Elgenia Wong Tien Min
To Elgenia:


If the PAP is really really into curbing resale price, they could have straight up tell the CEA to get their sai sorted out....


Resale flat listing? She don't know that property agents can also list on the site? RFL also has no legal power to stop any transactions that is beyond the range of the nearby houses....
 

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"Now, at the precipice of my flat’s Minimum Occupation Period (MOP), I am bewildered. A property portal estimates I could make $200,000 in capital gains."

Can huat 200k still write wot to kpkb. Is she gonna sell below valuation??
 

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moi teach chiu, when kena approached by agent, just say lim bu mai leh, mai sell reh, beh song sell reh, how? Be a rebel, its cool chiu noe.
 

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wouldn't it be better for society if property and insurance agents are just salaried workers with a small portion of income from comms / bonus ?
 

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it just screws the young buyers.

Anyways sg median age is 42.8 eh? Next GE will be 42.8 plus 4 or 5. So it will be which party can maintain my HDB price and secure my retirement.

Let the young ones suffer with mortgages. People like my parents who benefitted from HDB rising price obviously happy since they gg retire and hdb worth million.

Still can tell me govt got help young ppl buy subsidising more than last time. But pls la, last time 1 father can feed whole family (wife + 2 kids).

Now leh? Unless high flying jod, else also need 2 ppl to feed

Is okay, just welcome new shitizens and make the young ones suffer.
I actually have a question regarding next generation

Our population is increasing but TFR is low. Who is causing the population increase?

Fine. You say new citizens. But TFR is still low. So what is the conclusion? That new citizens are also not giving birth?

Then next step. New citizens will grow old. TFR goes down. Now you need to import even more citizens who might also grow old and still don’t give birth.

See the spiral?
 

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She should be happy that her in-laws have gained from their property appreciations and their retirement are not fund by her hubby.
 
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