How to set up RAID 1?

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I'm planning to set up a raid 1 config with 2 4tb HDD. I've never done this before so I'm totally clueless. What do I need? My specs are at the side. What's the process to go about doing it? Thanks :)
 

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OS Raid or Hardware Raid?
OS Raid just go disk manager and convert to dynamic disk and mirror
HW Raid need special sata controllers, bios settings and drivers.
 

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Which method would be better? I'm not too sure what's the advantage of either.

Depends on your philosophy.
Some people believe in hw raid and say software raid is fake raid whatever...
For me software raid is better because it is hardware independent, easy to setup and maintain, if motherboard die disk is still readable.

But that is just my opinion...

If you do linux it is mdraid if you do windows, disk manager mirror

Hwraid read your motherboard manual
 
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Not advisable to do raid1 on giant disks like 4TB unless you are absolutely sure to turn it into an redundant array for data protection. Reason, our precious personal data hardly exceed 100GB. 4TB is overkill and once you setup, managing 4TB of data is a chore even with your super fast PC. Rebuilding of array is nice in theory when 1 disc fail, but rebuilding a 4TB array will probably takes more than 24 hours. You could be sitting in front of your pc for days when the 4TB hit the ceiling.

For redundancy raid1 setup, best is to do software raid1 with Linux OSes like ubuntu server using software raid.

Of course, you can setup the 4TB on your motherboard raid controllers, which is what normally called fake raid(using the hardware raid driver), however, should your motherboard failed in couple of years time due to usage for gaming and overclocking, you will have problem finding the same raid controller or motherboard to recover 4TB of data in your array. That's a big no no.

Alternatively, if you get a cheap nas like those dlink dns-320L. You are in better hands because, one, the nas are likely to survive longer than your motherboard and two, you are more likely to find an second hand nas to recover your data.

Whichever scenarios arises where you need to relocate or recover your raid1 array, moving 500GB is significantly less challenging than moving 4TB of data.

I'm a little like in your situation where my 4TB is in a nas. But I'm more inclined to free up 2x 500GB hard disk to put them as raid1 in my second nas,
Instead of getting a new 4TB into the first nas and had them setup in raid1.

So, consider your options above. I do have 2x 500GB in ubuntu software raid1. The reason software raid is preffered because, if the motherboard dies or I change pc, software raid aarray can be easily ported to the new pc as software raid is not hardware driver dependent.

It was noted, there is little difference in performance between software raid and fake raid(using motherboard controller). The real hardware raid requires one to buy expensive raid controller from the specialized suppliers, which has good chance of selling you a 5 years old at exorbitant price, but you have no choice because you have 4TB of data to recover 5 years later...

So weigh your situation where before committing a 4TB array. Money isn't the most critical but sitting in front of your pc for days trying to recover 4TB of data isn't a fun thing to do.
 
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Sorry noob. Tot with raid 1,if one of the 2 hdd fails, the 2nd hdd still can b accessed. This was what happened to my 1TB x2 raid 1 setup. One of the hdd failed. Now I am running on the 2nd hdd without building back the array. And I have recently changed my mobo n cpu.
 

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Not advisable to do raid1 on giant disks like 4TB unless you are absolutely sure to turn it into an redundant array for data protection. Reason, our precious personal data hardly exceed 100GB. 4TB is overkill and once you setup, managing 4TB of data is a chore even with your super fast PC. Rebuilding of array is nice in theory when 1 disc fail, but rebuilding a 4TB array will probably takes more than 24 hours. You could be sitting in front of your pc for days when the 4TB hit the ceiling.

For redundancy raid1 setup, best is to do software raid1 with Linux OSes like ubuntu server using software raid.

Of course, you can setup the 4TB on your motherboard raid controllers, which is what normally called fake raid(using the hardware raid driver), however, should your motherboard failed in couple of years time due to usage for gaming and overclocking, you will have problem finding the same raid controller or motherboard to recover 4TB of data in your array. That's a big no no.

Alternatively, if you get a cheap nas like those dlink dns-320L. You are in better hands because, one, the nas are likely to survive longer than your motherboard and two, you are more likely to find an second hand nas to recover your data.

Whichever scenarios arises where you need to relocate or recover your raid1 array, moving 500GB is significantly less challenging than moving 4TB of data.

I'm a little like in your situation where my 4TB is in a nas. But I'm more inclined to free up 2x 500GB hard disk to put them as raid1 in my second nas,
Instead of getting a new 4TB into the first nas and had them setup in raid1.

So, consider your options above. I do have 2x 500GB in ubuntu software raid1. The reason software raid is preffered because, if the motherboard dies or I change pc, software raid aarray can be easily ported to the new pc as software raid is not hardware driver dependent.

It was noted, there is little difference in performance between software raid and fake raid(using motherboard controller). The real hardware raid requires one to buy expensive raid controller from the specialized suppliers, which has good chance of selling you a 5 years old at exorbitant price, but you have no choice because you have 4TB of data to recover 5 years later...

So weigh your situation where before committing a 4TB array. Money isn't the most critical but sitting in front of your pc for days trying to recover 4TB of data isn't a fun thing to do.

Thanks for the detailed response. I'm new to this so there are some parts I didn't get. What's rebuilding of an array? Like EVQ mentioned, I was also under the impression that RAID 1 means a disk can fail and the other one will still carry on working.
Could you tell me more about what happen after 1 drive in a RAID 1 fail?
1) Can I just insert an identical drive in the place of the failed one?
2) Is there any permanent change done to a RAID drive? Can it go back to a non-RAID drive?
The reason why I was planning to use 2x4tb drives is that I do 3D modelling and architecture work. I have a lot of stock models, images, texture as well as RAW images which take up a lot of space.

My initial plan was to have the following HDD
250gb SSD for OS and main programs
2tb HD for the rest of the programs and games
3tb HD for normal data that do not need redundancy
4tb RAID 1 for all my work data
 

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If your are thinking of raid1 as a backup, Raid1 is not actual backup.
If you accidentally delete one file , the file in the mirror gets deleted. If your disk gets encrypted by virus, both disks gets encrypted.

Since you're going to set up a new system, maybe to consider a good backup system like Acronis or even using the Windows Backup in windows itself.
 

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coyote's post got me confused. All along I thought using mobo raid is considered hardware raid. And using Windows disk management to mirror is considered software raid.

Anyway I'm a bit kiasu. I have 3x 3TB HDD. 2x in RAID1. And the 3rd one using as a monthly backup of the RAID1.

And for more precious files like my son's photos, videos etc, I also back it up to Cloud drive.

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coyote's post got me confused. All along I thought using mobo raid is considered hardware raid. And using Windows disk management to mirror is considered software raid.

Anyway I'm a bit kiasu. I have 3x 3TB HDD. 2x in RAID1. And the 3rd one using as a monthly backup of the RAID1.

And for more precious files like my son's photos, videos etc, I also back it up to Cloud drive.

Sent from my mobile phone using GAGT

Only coyote post is right... Mobo raid is not really consider hardware raid (software stored in bios) as it still tap on cpu ram resources hence the only real hardware raid is from a PCIe raid controller card like LSI or adaptec which has its bios and resources to its own....lol
 

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I also confused. but good to learn more from bros here.

So see if I am getting it rite;
1. mobo raid is software raid.
2. Running raid 1, if i port over to a new mobo, set my any of the 2 hdd as normal non-raid, it shld be able to read.
3. But this is not so (point #2)if I am using a Raid card.
 

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Only coyote post is right... Mobo raid is not really consider hardware raid (software stored in bios) as it still tap on cpu ram resources hence the only real hardware raid is from a PCIe raid controller card like LSI or adaptec which has its bios and resources to its own....lol

Yup.. the only 'real' raid only comes from those external pcie card with raid controllers and bios alrdy built on that external pcie chip. On a side note, I think many who have decided to try raid 1 would have that idea of whoa auto mirror = when one disk fails, the other disk will have that 100% backup. While this is true, it is about accessing the mirrored files which is not that straight forward.

The replug and play direct access of the mirror might/might not work depending on many circumstances (in fact most of the time you wouldn't be even seeing the mirrored drive and content unfortunately). The correct method is to only to plug in a fresh drive to rebuild the array from the mirror. But the rebuilding time is downright horrendous for 4tb drives.. in fact 2tb is alrdy quite lol alrdy.

So don't get overhyped w regards to raid.. would rather u buy 2x4tb drives.. weekly copy and paste. Might be alot more convenient when a drive fails lol.
 

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If there is so many issues with RAID 1 then perhaps I'll just get 2 HDD and use backup software to schedule backups.
 

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If there is so many issues with RAID 1 then perhaps I'll just get 2 HDD and use backup software to schedule backups.

Haha anyway if you are sure of what are doing and the pros and cons abt it you can still go ahead. But if your data is really of super importance to you and you are not very sure about handling and recovering data from a failing raid drive, then for most people backups would be more than enough to suit your needs when it comes to convenience in this aspect.
 

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Only coyote post is right... Mobo raid is not really consider hardware raid (software stored in bios) as it still tap on cpu ram resources hence the only real hardware raid is from a PCIe raid controller card like LSI or adaptec which has its bios and resources to its own....lol

OOoo... learnt new things today. =:p

So... Now I'm using mobo raid. Is there any advantages if I use a stand alone PCIe raid controller card?

Since I only using 1 of my PCIe slot... you. know... might as well. :s13:
 

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Just a quick question, for software RAID 1 (mirror disk in Disk Management), can I RAID 1 2 partitions from 2 drives, or can only RAID 1 entire HDDs?
 

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OOoo... learnt new things today. =:p

So... Now I'm using mobo raid. Is there any advantages if I use a stand alone PCIe raid controller card?

Since I only using 1 of my PCIe slot... you. know... might as well. :s13:

More performance.. can raid in all sorts of configurations, don't need to drain your cpu power and have other types of features like caching, etc (dependant on *pcie card). More expensive, more stuff so to speak..
 

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Just a quick question, for software RAID 1 (mirror disk in Disk Management), can I RAID 1 2 partitions from 2 drives, or can only RAID 1 entire HDDs?

You go try and let us know ^^ neh try b4 haha..
 

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More performance.. can raid in all sorts of configurations, don't need to drain your cpu power and have other types of features like caching, etc (dependant on *pcie card). More expensive, more stuff so to speak..

Thanks! Below is my setup right now.

If I use a raid card, which PCIe slot should I use? I'm quite noob at those PCIe lanes thingy.

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Thanks! Below is my setup right now.

If I use a raid card, which PCIe slot should I use? I'm quite noob at those PCIe lanes thingy.

Pcie cards for raid will use the small small pcie lane which is similar to sound cards.. just plug in to the next available slot you have straight below after your gpu.
 
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