CNA Insider - We Both Have Kidney Failure: Our Love Through Chronic Illness | On The Red Dot

[The_King]

me got 3 high, i wonder how to be as brave as them

 

[archie7]

their love for each other really embodies the marriage vows

"from this day, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish...."

hope they both can recover or health improves

 

[cyke69sg]

me got 3 high, i wonder how to be as brave as them

Everyone is different. It should be everyone be allowed to choose what they want.

 

[The_King]

Everyone is different. It should be everyone be allowed to choose what they want.

that why i support euthanasia

 

[cyke69sg]

that why i support euthanasia

Euthanasia is the extreme.

To start with they should stop filming these type of programs.

Because it is implying that those who do not choose what these people do are "not good" or as you say "not as brave".

Everyone is different. Just let people be.

If can get to the stage accept everyone choice and decision they make for themselves then can maybe start to talk about medical assistance in dying.

Even the term euthanasia should never be brought up because that one is technically someone else deciding for the living thing to die. Not the living thing itself.

 

[deathan9el]

how come partial episode
watched the full one [1hr] last night at 9:30PM

got me the sniffles watching thru' it
how love knows no boundaries & they stuck w/ each other
in good/bad times

 

[buttbERry]

must really take care of health

 

[The_King]

Euthanasia is the extreme.

To start with they should stop filming these type of programs.

Because it is implying that those who do not choose what these people do are "not good" or as you say "not as brave".

Everyone is different. Just let people be.

If can get to the stage accept everyone choice and decision they make for themselves then can maybe start to talk about medical assistance in dying.

Even the term euthanasia should never be brought up because that one is technically someone else deciding for the living thing to die. Not the living thing itself.

Disagree it my life as such it my rights to decide when to end

The person also have to agree with it. It not just agree the gg

Be it assisted or euthanasia it for me to decide

 

[cyke69sg]

Disagree it my life as such it my rights to decide when to end

What you disagree with then? I said is up to the patient to decide what is best for them not anyone else.

The person also have to agree with it. It not just agree the gg

What person? What is "not just agree the GG"?

Be it assisted or euthanasia it for me to decide

Is for the patient requesting for medical assistance in dying to decide for themselves.

But you also need the laws to allow the ones helping the person die not be charged with homicide.

 

[The_King]

What you disagree with then? I said is up to the patient to decide what is best for them not anyone else.

What person? What is "not just agree the GG"?

Is for the patient requesting for medical assistance in dying to decide for themselves.

But you also need the laws to allow the ones helping the person die not be charged with homicide.

guess it will take another 10 gen before it becum real

 

[cyke69sg]

guess it will take another 10 gen before it becum real

What is gg?

 

[cyke69sg]

guess it will take another 10 gen before it becum real

SG culture deeply religious.
Religion don't value individual choice in what they choose to do in life.
Religion tell you how you should live.

That's the problem. Deeply religious societies don't have individual choice as much.

Historically they used religion as the "law" to control people. Bring order. Peace. Cos back then legal system not so strong. Don't even have cos is emperor.

How to control to emperor dictator? He is the law. So talk about an even higher being. Invoke fear and reward in afterlife.

Religion is likely man made and a scam.

 

[The_King]

What is gg?

gg mean good game but also used to describe a situation that spells trouble to oneself or an individual

 

[cyke69sg]

gg mean good game but also used to describe a situation that spells trouble to oneself or an individual

Thanks. I always have trouble what the actual meaning is.
I thought gong Gia. Or gone gase(case).

 

[The_King]

SG culture deeply religious.
Religion don't value individual choice in what they choose to do in life.
Religion tell you how you should live.

That's the problem. Deeply religious societies don't have individual choice as much.

Historically they used religion as the "law" to control people. Bring order. Peace. Cos back then legal system not so strong. Don't even have cos is emperor.

How to control to emperor dictator? He is the law. So talk about an even higher being. Invoke fear and reward in afterlife.

Religion is likely man made and a scam.

yes that the problem

all say no need assisted suicide or euthanasia. either one work for me. so dont care it assisted suicide or euthanasia

those that exp with ppl at their end of life will understand it. why AS or E is important

 

[cyke69sg]

yes that the problem

all say no need assisted suicide or euthanasia. either one work for me. so dont care it assisted suicide or euthanasia

Is important. Don't underestimate the importance of words

You use word suicide is bad. No one will agree to allowing suicide. Euthanasia is what vets do to pets. Again say euthanasia for your family member is like saying treat them like dog. Again not good.

Medical is ok (although lately some people don't like the word medicine think of pharmaceutical etc). Assistance is sure ok. Dying is what happens to all of us anyway.
Got difference bro. If you truly want to get this accepted need to avoid the bad words that invoke negative emotions.

The Chinese term also can. An le si

Peace and tranquil death.

those that exp with ppl at their end of life will understand it. why AS or E is important

Don't use AS or E bro.

Assisted death better.

Medical assisted dying
Compassionate assisted dying

 

[The_King]

i see ppl everyday groan in bed like 24/7 non stop (cannot move, need ppl to assist even when going toilet), morphine no longer have effect, tube all around their body if they see the suffering i see at hospice they understand. every few day ppl in bed suddnely no more anothe come in, and days or week later no more etc.....


i hope those that say no, i hope you dont live the day when your quality of life goes down so much (bedridden, pain killer on max dose and still pain, just waiting etc....) cannot AS or E then regret it, by then too late

 

[cyke69sg]

i see ppl everyday groan in bed like 24/7 non stop (cannot move, need ppl to assist even when going toilet), morphine no longer have effect, tube all around their body if they see the suffering i see at hospice they understand. every few day ppl in bed suddnely no more anothe come in, and days or week later no more etc.....

You work at hospital?
Usually people who see this a lot know and understand the suffering.
Average people don't see at all . They might see their loved ones. Maybe parents. Spouse. That's at most 3. And how many families are big these days? Can't be more than handful.
Which is why people don't know and don't understand. They have no experience with seeing suffering.
Plus the religion part tells them no.

i hope those that say no, i hope you dont live the day when your quality of life goes down so much (bedridden, pain killer on max dose and still pain, just waiting etc....) cannot AS or E then regret it, by then too late

I know what you mean. What I say to those who say no is this. What harm does it do to YOU if we allow those who want compassionate assistance in dying for THEM?

If you don't want then sure don't. Nothing is saying if someone else is allowed that you MUST also do it.

Other people die with compassionate assistance what harm comes to you?

SGrean like to say you dei your business.

But then when it comes to people want to dei with compassionate assistance then becomes everybody business and say no you cannot.

Why so busybody?

It's the religion right? Cos if don't stop then your religion says you guilty of sin also by not stopping it. Is like those who are told if they don't evangelise they are also guilty and will be unfavored etc.

Bro I still think is the religion problem. SG is multi religious country but is not totally secular. They go with the common themes of various religions.

 

[The_King]

You work at hospital?
Usually people who see this a lot know and understand the suffering.
Average people don't see at all . They might see their loved ones. Maybe parents. Spouse. That's at most 3. And how many families are big these days? Can't be more than handful.
Which is why people don't know and don't understand. They have no experience with seeing suffering.
Plus the religion part tells them no.


I know what you mean. What I say to those who say no is this. What harm does it do to YOU if we allow those who want compassionate assistance in dying for THEM?

If you don't want then sure don't. Nothing is saying if someone else is allowed that you MUST also do it.

Other people die with compassionate assistance what harm comes to you?

SGrean like to say you dei your business.

But then when it comes to people want to dei with compassionate assistance then becomes everybody business and say no you cannot.

Why so busybody?

It's the religion right? Cos if don't stop then your religion says you guilty of sin also by not stopping it. Is like those who are told if they don't evangelise they are also guilty and will be unfavored etc.

Bro I still think is the religion problem. SG is multi religious country but is not totally secular. They go with the common themes of various religions.

many many many yr back, i left as i cannot take it, looking at ppl suffering. they should spend a week at hospital then comment.


ppl should view if Medical assisted dying or Compassionate assisted dying as choice, it a lawfully country, if you dont believe then dont choose Medical assisted dying or Compassionate assisted, if this person believe in Medical assisted dying or Compassionate assisted he can choose it, plan in advan just like AMD

 

[cyke69sg]

many many many yr back, i left as i cannot take it, looking at ppl suffering. they should spend a week at hospital then comment.

Totally true.
I think all kids should spend 2 week at hospital. 1 week at A&E. 1 week in the wards. Mandatory volunteer oxymoron. But it allows layman go understand the chaos at hospital. So they know how tough it is and is not anyone fault. Just is part of how terrible life is. Is like war literally.

ppl should view if Medical assisted dying or Compassionate assisted dying as choice, it a lawfully country, if you dont believe then dont choose Medical assisted dying or Compassionate assisted, if this person believe in Medical assisted dying or Compassionate assisted he can choose it, plan in advan just like AMD

Yes let people decide for themselves. Who are we to decide for them?

How we choose to live should be same independent choice as how much suffering we want to ensure and how we wish to die.