CNA Insider - We Both Have Kidney Failure: Our Love Through Chronic Illness | On The Red Dot

[mcylo]

me got 3 high, i wonder how to be as brave as them

looks so young and yet have kidney failure. What have they been doing with their lives?

 

[cyke69sg]

looks so young and yet have kidney failure. What have they been doing with their lives?

Don't assign blame. They lived the lives they want and are living how they want to live now. Just respect and support. It could be genetic or some other cause. Autoimmune? We don't know.

 

[Bardiel]

looks so young and yet have kidney failure. What have they been doing with their lives?

pls show some respect and dont judge by age.

there are times its not our fault. we didnt want this to happen. who in the f mind wan to be on dialysis?

 

[BlackWing1977]

You must remember that it is not the people who abuse allowed to push the medications.
There are impartial staff.
You saying the doctors and nurses all in cahoots to abuse? Then have police present to check also.
Cannot prevent? I disagree. Can prevent. Will there be strange rare cases where the doctors and nurses were paid off or were the relatives and abused the law? Possible but likely rare.
So if has chance of rare abuse means everyone shouldn't get it? I guess that makes having assistance in dying as dangerous as legalize personal gun ownership in SG?
But what are the benefits vs risks in assistance on dying vs gun ownership?


Yes no failsafe is 100%.
Everything is the same then.
Can bank collapse? Yes. Do you put money in a bank? Why do you if there is even a possible chance it can collapse?
Can you get hit when crossing the road? Can the airplane crash ? There is always a risk.

To live is to risk being hurt getting sick and dying. Why take the risk?

I can't believe you still dun get what I meant... I am not saying the medical staff are in cahoots...

I am saying... the patient could have been subjected to long term psychological influence to convince that it is a good option.... and the influence could have come from a relative or someone who stands to benefit from the demise...

Stick to the topic, dun need to resort to whataboutism with things are that essential for a society to function like banks, air travel, crossing a road.

 

[cyke69sg]

I can't believe you still dun get what I meant... I am not saying the medical staff are in cahoots...

I am saying... the patient could have been subjected to long term psychological influence to convince that it is a good option.... and the influence could have come from a relative or someone who stands to benefit from the demise...

Stick to the topic, dun need to resort to whataboutism with things are that essential for a society to function like banks, air travel, crossing a road.

Medical staff need to assess. If the patient is subjected to psychological influence to choose dying then they should not be deemed eligible. These are questions to be asked whether someone who stands to gain is influencing the decision.

 

[Can Or Not]

i created one thread also… kidney failure of Taiwan…. One of them actually got transplant, but she needs to take medication to lower her immune systems or else they will reject the new kidney, end up her immune system too low and have to go back to dialysis….

 

[BlackWing1977]

Medical staff need to assess. If the patient is subjected to psychological influence to choose dying then they should not be deemed eligible. These are questions to be asked whether someone who stands to gain is influencing the decision.

That is what I meant... the medical staff cannot be 100% sure they are not subjected to influences by another person.... how would they know... influence are effective because the patient think it is their own decision... it is not effective if it just they are commanded to do so. Patients in that kind of situation maybe more psychologically prone to such external influences.

 

[Mecisteus]

Real reason why SG will never have MAiD is because of religious beliefs in SG and culture.
Death is taboo in SG. Deciding and having control of when and how one ownself dies is even more taboo as it is frowned upon by all religions.

All other reasons (abuse, cost, money) are superfluous.

And because the fear of going against religion is so strong (religion wants it that way) it will never be broached as a possibility.

It only is allowed in places where people are not religious. Can be spiritual but not religious. Because religion prevents this. The true reason is religion .

Malay and Muslim culture are very much different from the others.

They have stronger will to live despite their conditions. That explains why they have less suicidal tendencies.

 

[cyke69sg]

That is what I meant... the medical staff cannot be 100% sure they are not subjected to influences by another person.... how would they know... influence are effective because the patient think it is their own decision... it is not effective if it just they are commanded to do so. Patients in that kind of situation maybe more psychologically prone to such external influences.

So because of that what do you propose? Suggest?

 

[cyke69sg]

Malay and Muslim culture are very much different from the others.

They have stronger will to live despite their conditions. That explains why they have less suicidal tendencies.

Yes culture and religion very important.

 

[BlackWing1977]

So because of that what do you propose? Suggest?

Nothing leave it as it is, usually such decision to want Euthanasia is because some kind of condition that is unbearable, but do be a bit more hopeful that future tech might be able to help more of such people. Then those with terminal illness like some sort of aggressive form of late stage cancer... I dun really think they need it as well... I mean pain management can be done already.

To put it bluntly, Euthanasia is just another form of suicide assisted by professional... plastered with big medical reasoning and perhaps some kind of virtue signaling with "sound" reasoning throw in like for the good of the patient who is suffering, but we are talking about ending the life of the patient, not sure any kind of reasoning can be enough.

 

[cyke69sg]

Nothing leave it as it is, usually such decision to want Euthanasia is because some kind of condition that is unbearable, but do be a bit more hopeful that future tech might be able to help more of such people. Then those with terminal illness like some sort of aggressive form of late stage cancer... I dun really think they need it as well... I mean pain management can be done already.

To put it bluntly, Euthanasia is just another form of suicide assisted by professional... plastered with big medical reasoning and perhaps some kind of virtue signaling with "sound" reasoning throw in like for the good of the patient who is suffering, but we are talking about ending the life of the patient, not sure any kind of reasoning can be enough.

Sure. You are not in favor of euthanasia.
Thanks for sharing.
I really doubt SG will ever have it legal.
If SG legalizes it I will chop.

 

[cyke69sg]

Dun be in a hurry to put people in camp just because I have a different opinion. I am just pointing all that could go terribly wrong.

. It's totally fine not to be in favor of euthanasia.

 

[iosnewbie]

Hypothetically, if there’s one donor kidney suitable for both of them, how would they or anyone decide who should accept it?