Insurance: some ideas

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If I'm single and no dependants, when I'm old and had checked in to nursing home. Can I use my existing insurance plans as a form of mortgage to pay for the expenses, which means when I passed on, the nursing home will be the beneficiary of the insurance policies I have.

Since I've no dependants, this will be the best arrangement.
 

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If I'm single and no dependants, when I'm old and had checked in to nursing home. Can I use my existing insurance plans as a form of mortgage to pay for the expenses, which means when I passed on, the nursing home will be the beneficiary of the insurance policies I have.

Since I've no dependants, this will be the best arrangement.
Depends on the Nursing home. Alternatively, you can make a claim if its possible, put the claims into dividend paying instrument that can pay for your stay

Also can encash the policy if it has cash value.
 

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Depends on the Nursing home. Alternatively, you can make a claim if its possible, put the claims into dividend paying instrument that can pay for your stay

Also can encash the policy if it has cash value.

I can't make claim if I'm old and very sick with terminal illness or oredi dead. And is better not to encash the policies to fully armotise the plans.
 

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I can't make claim if I'm old and very sick with terminal illness or oredi dead. And is better not to encash the policies to fully armotise the plans.

Quite impossible as there's many loopholes. How can they be assured you will not assign the policy to someone else during the period you are staying for free in the home? If you assign them the policy then how can you be assured you will not be kick out halfway or the home closed down?

Only logical way is you encash the policy and pay monthly like everyone else.
 

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Assuming you cannot self-insure, the best available solution for this scenario is a combination of what's called "long-term care insurance" (LTC insurance) and medical insurance. Medical insurance typically covers acute care hospitalization expenses that are typical of long-term care patients. (Integrated Shield plans, optionally with riders, are the most common medical insurance policies in Singapore.) LTC insurance helps support daily living if you meet the policy's disability standard, usually a "3 of 6 Activities of Daily Living" (ADL) standard.

ElderShield 400, and the ElderShield Supplements, are a form of LTC insurance. You must purchase ElderShield by age 70, and preexisting conditions are not covered. Premiums are payable using Medisave, so for this reason it's probably the most attractive available LTC insurance in Singapore. If you are a CPF member, you are enrolled automatically in ElderShield 400 when you turn 40, and you have to opt-out if you don't want to be enrolled. You also have to take action if you want more than the $400/month benefit level.

Unfortunately ElderShield payouts are capped at 72 months, and that's not a terrific feature. There are nontrivial numbers of patients who meet the 3 of 6 ADL standard and who live longer than 72 months, sometimes much longer.

Starting at age 65 (as early as) you will also presumably have a CPF LIFE annuity income stream. You may be able to increase that annuity, defer it (to age 70), and/or opt for the 2% annual increase payout option. Income and wealth are always useful to pay for expenses, including nursing home and home care expenses. This is part of your "self insurance."

If you have no dependents then you do not need life insurance, which is a different insurance product than LTC and medical insurance products.
 
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I should also point out that there are some "life insurance" policies that are really hybrid products, and some of those hybrid/composite products include "Total and Permanent Disability" provisions or other provisions that are not pure/simple life insurance provisions. Even so, such policies are not well designed for this scenario. It's still not the correct product. And if you don't have the best insurance product(s) to protect against the actual risks you face, you're wasting premium dollars.
 

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Quite impossible as there's many loopholes. How can they be assured you will not assign the policy to someone else during the period you are staying for free in the home? If you assign them the policy then how can you be assured you will not be kick out halfway or the home closed down?

Only logical way is you encash the policy and pay monthly like everyone else.

Possible to set up will with the nursing home lawyers to protect interest of both parties?
 
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