Is CI plan really necessary?

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Need some advice here. I have very comprehensive hospitalization plan covered from first dollar, and has always wonder that should be sufficient to cover all expenses needed to cover in the event of critical illness. Assuming we ignore the lost of income bit, is my understanding correct?
 

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The money required to pay for the bill first before insurer reimburse us.
 

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for critical illness normally not hospitalization for long time, just a few days, after that need long term follow up, eg. cancer. then how? people still need money to buy medicine & go to clinic do medical check.
 

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The money required to pay for the bill first before insurer reimburse us.

My relative was admitted to Govt hospital and covered by NTUC Incomeshield. No need to pay the bill first, the govt hospital will settle with insurer and then look to you if there is co-payment needed (depends on your policy). Not sure if other insurers are the same.

For CI, if you are so ill, you are going to die in a few years anyway so your family will get the full insured amount anyway and the major cost which is hospitalisation is already covered.

Usually, CI occurs after age 50+, or if you are really unlucky, after age 40+. By then, if you adopt a dividend warrior strategy you will be getting a few thousand dollars dividend a month to support your family (because you invested your money instead of paying the commissions of your insurance agent)

Having said that, it might be possible that you need some short-term cash, so even though I am covered by term and hospitalisation and dividend income, I bought the smallest possible CI policy which pays $50k in the event of CI.

If your family has a history of CI (make sure your family member's illness is one of the CI covered by the policy), then you may want to get a higher level coverage. (if they don't exclude you because of your family history...)
 
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It depends whether if its an early or late CI plan.
If you can afford it, an early CI plan will provide you with a lump sum to tide over the period of lost income.

As for late CI, I'm not sure if its really necessary because you'll probably be hospitalized when you're in that stage, and it'll be covered by the hospital insurance. AFAIK, late CI coverage in term plans costs as much as the premiums for death coverage alone.
 

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It depends whether if its an early or late CI plan.
If you can afford it, an early CI plan will provide you with a lump sum to tide over the period of lost income.

As for late CI, I'm not sure if its really necessary because you'll probably be hospitalized when you're in that stage, and it'll be covered by the hospital insurance. AFAIK, late CI coverage in term plans costs as much as the premiums for death coverage alone.
Good one.

I like the concept of having a comprehensive coverage this way.
Shield plan
Death till 65 or later. SA depends on the liability/maintainance of current lifestyle.
CI till 65. SA $100-$200k for cash flow.
Accidental loss of limbs/TPD.
Monthly Income.
 

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My relative was admitted to Govt hospital and covered by NTUC Incomeshield. No need to pay the bill first, the govt hospital will settle with insurer and then look to you if there is co-payment needed (depends on your policy). Not sure if other insurers are the same.

For CI, if you are so ill, you are going to die in a few years anyway so your family will get the full insured amount anyway and the major cost which is hospitalisation is already covered.

Usually, CI occurs after age 50+, or if you are really unlucky, after age 40+. By then, if you adopt a dividend warrior strategy you will be getting a few thousand dollars dividend a month to support your family (because you invested your money instead of paying the commissions of your insurance agent)

Having said that, it might be possible that you need some short-term cash, so even though I am covered by term and hospitalisation and dividend income, I bought the smallest possible CI policy which pays $50k in the event of CI.

If your family has a history of CI (make sure your family member's illness is one of the CI covered by the policy), then you may want to get a higher level coverage. (if they don't exclude you because of your family history...)
Can share reason of hospitalisation, estimate length of stay and cost etc?
 

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Having said that, it might be possible that you need some short-term cash, so even though I am covered by term and hospitalisation and dividend income, I bought the smallest possible CI policy which pays $50k in the event of CI.

Limster, I'm curious, what CI did you get? I'm actually looking at Aviva living care rider for the SAF GTL and I'm wondering if that's the cheapest around.
 

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If want CI plan really help self or family, better consider 100% early payout plan. this can really reduce the family financial pressure.

traditional CI plan not give much benefit to policy holder,but to beneficiaries.
 

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If want CI plan really help self or family, better consider 100% early payout plan. this can really reduce the family financial pressure.

traditional CI plan not give much benefit to policy holder,but to beneficiaries.

I've seen you quoting 100% early payout in many of the post.. Could you define it? 100k sum assured but payout is capped at 75k for early CI means not 100%? So if sum assured is 75k, is that considered as 100% early payout?
 

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I've seen you quoting 100% early payout in many of the post.. Could you define it? 100k sum assured but payout is capped at 75k for early CI means not 100%? So if sum assured is 75k, is that considered as 100% early payout?

if sum assure below or equal 100k, early stage payout will be 100%
if more than 100k, early stage payout will be cap at 100k
 

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Insuring for critical illness

Critical illness insurance was introduced 25 years ago. Before that, most people were quite happy to insure against death (by accident or illness, but not critical illness) under a life insurance policy. With the introduction of the expanded cover, many consumers (with a nudge from the insurance agents) think that it is essential to cover against critical illness.

Critical illness
The key difference is that the critical illness policy pays out the sum insured in the event of the diagnosis of a critical illness. If the illness reaches a critical stage, the insured person will die within a few years of receiving the payout, but it was argued that the payout could be used for treating the critical illness. In some cases, the insured person may survive and lead a normal life after receiving the payout.

What many people may not know is that the illness must have reached a critical stage before a claim can be approved. For example, cancer has to reach stage 3 or 4 (under the late stage critical illness covers) before a payout can be approved.

Some insured people are quite upset to learn that if the cancer is discovered at stage 1, there is no payout. They are under a dilemma. Most people consider that life is too precious and would opt to be treated immediately, even though they are not eligible to make a claim. They felt that the conditions are too stiff.

Early payout
To overcome this difficulty, some insurance companies have introduced an early payout critical illness policy, but the premium would be several times higher than the typical critical illness policy.

Choice of cover
Many consumers need guidance. Should they buy the typical critical illness policy or the early payout policy? Is it worth paying a higher premium for the cover? Should they buy a critical illness policy that pays out beyond age 60 or one that pays out only on occurrence at an earlier age?

Managing personal risk
The consumer should be aware of the following:
* At a young age, the biggest risk is death or serious injury caused by accidents
* A person is likely to suffer a critical illness at an advanced age, say beyond age 70, but the cost of insurance may be too high.
* The consumer has to read the fine prints on what is covered or excluded and the stage of the illness in which a claim can be approved.

The consumer should be careful not to pay too much premium for an insurance that has a low chance of occurrence. The consumer should be careful about relying on the advice of the person selling the insurance, as there is a conflict of interest.

Tips for consumers
My tips are:
* Invest your savings in a low cost investment fund to earn an attractive yield. For example, if
you invest $500 a month over 20 or 30 years and earn a yield of 4% per annum, the
accumulated savings will be $179,000 and $336,000 respectively. This is likely to be much
more than the amount that can be covered under an expensive critical illness policy.
* Buy term insurance, accident insurance or critical illness insurance for 20 years only. If you insure for a short period, the premium rate is quite low. If you were to suffer a critical illness after 20 years, you would have more than sufficient savings to meet your needs.
* The cost of term insurance of $100,000 for 20 years is about $150 a year. This will cover
death by accident or illness.

You can insure for critical illness insurance before age 45 by paying an annual premium of about $120. The cost of insurance will increase by 13 times when you reach age 60. By that time, you have to pay $1,560 a year. There is really no need to pay such a large premium for the insurance, as you would have more than sufficient savings to pay for the treatment if it happens after age 45.

Be your own insurer
I advise consumers to invest their savings on their own to earn an attractive yield rather than to put the savings into a whole life insurance policy that provide critical illness cover but provide a low yield on the premiums. Invested in a low cost fund, the savings can accumulate to a large
sum after 20 or 30 years. At that time, the consumer can use the savings to pay for critical illness and other financial needs.

They should avoid paying too much premium for critical illness insurance, as they may find that the policy does not cover some special conditions or the claim may be rejected if they did not declare a pre-existing illness, even though you might not be aware about it.

If the consumer has his own savings, he can be his own insurer to pay out the claim from his savings. He does not have to rely on the approval of a third party, i.e. the insurance claim manager.

Tan Kin Lian

Note: the cost of term and critical illness insurance indicated above are taken from the
insurance policy offered by SAF to soldiers and their dependents. These rates are benchmarks
to compare against the rates charged by the market.

Tan Kin Lian & Associates - Onyx

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Excellent article!!!! I do have some cl plan under ntuc luv plan. Need to go and check if it is a typical cl plan or early payout plan. Anybody so happen to know?
 

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If you screen regularly and detect cancer at stage 1, you have a pretty decent chance to remove the tumour by surgery without needing chemo or radio. After that go for a few weeks MC. There is no real need to claim $100k CI at this stage since the cancer is removed and hospitalisation insurance will pay for the surgery. It doesn't seem worth it to pay higher premium for early payout CI. If surgery is not successful and the stage 1 cancer becomes worse, stage 3/4 - then can claim CI already....

One more question about early payout CI - if you claim for 1 CI like a curable stage 1 cancer, does the CI policy terminate and you are not allowed to claim for future CI? In which case, isn't it better for a policy that pays for genuine CI like stage 3/4 cancer when you may be on MC for months and not just weeks.


Bitspark - I have a ntuc $50k life policy with $50k CI. I bought it just after NS. I was young and ignorant. But I keep it since the annual payment is not that much [lucky I bought the smallest possible one] :) Now, the only CI will buy is a rider attached to term policy, and will buy only a small amount like $50k to help with cash flow. (eg: even with a dividend warrior portfolio, the dividends may occur quarterly, so for 1-2 months, you may not get much dividends and you may need the cashflow)

Kebinu - The hospitalisation stay is less than 1 week. My relatives actually have 2 claims experiences with govt hospitals and incomeshield. Both cases, NTUC income paid directly to the hospital, the govt hospital did not ask insured to pay first and claim later. Is it the same for other insurers?
 

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Within a certain cap of estimated bill and with log, for certain insurer and hospital, yes.
 

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Kebinu - The hospitalisation stay is less than 1 week. My relatives actually have 2 claims experiences with govt hospitals and incomeshield. Both cases, NTUC income paid directly to the hospital, the govt hospital did not ask insured to pay first and claim later. Is it the same for other insurers?

I think it might be hospital dependent. My daughter had been hospitalized in Glenneagle n NUH before with the former I needed to pay via my credit card first n NUH got paid directly from ntuc.
 
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