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Their condos still cheaper than Sg....rental yield according to agent 5.5% to 6%...

You have to consider the loan rate as well.
SG loan rate is only around 2 %, even with the rise in Sibor recently, the rate is still at a low 2%, if you fix the loan rate earlier, you are still having 1.x % loan rate. Rental yield in SG, if I am not wrong, for bigger unit, is around 3-3.5%, smaller units = 3.5- 4%, freehold properties yield normally lower. This is more than sufficient to cover monthly installment + management fee.

Can do a simple analogy for bangkok?
 

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As long as can rent out, not too bad, tenants pay your interest for you...:)

Last year a huge portion of the interest was paid by my 2 tenants.
Hope this year, I can find a tenant for my condo room.

I still have interest for my 2 other properties under construction yet to update.
 

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You have to consider the loan rate as well.
SG loan rate is only around 2 %, even with the rise in Sibor recently, the rate is still at a low 2%, if you fix the loan rate earlier, you are still having 1.x % loan rate. Rental yield in SG, if I am not wrong, for bigger unit, is around 3-3.5%, smaller units = 3.5- 4%, freehold properties yield normally lower. This is more than sufficient to cover monthly installment + management fee.

Can do a simple analogy for bangkok?

There is a 1 bedder in Sukhumvit Street, a popular area, selling for S$149k which we can pay in full, rental for S$600 a month which makes rental yield 4.8%. Agent says maintenance S$600 a year and apparently no one pays property tax according to him...
 

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Last year a huge portion of the interest was paid by my 2 tenants.
Hope this year, I can find a tenant for my condo room.

I still have interest for my 2 other properties under construction yet to update.

I introduce my agent to you...hopefully he can secure tenants for you like the other forummer...then he can pay my property tax 2 more times...heehee..
 

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I introduce my agent to you...hopefully he can secure tenants for you like the other forummer...then he can pay my property tax 2 more times...heehee..

PM me his number and name first, in case i need them.

Most likely in April according to what i was told.
 

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There is a 1 bedder in Sukhumvit Street, a popular area, selling for S$149k which we can pay in full, rental for S$600 a month which makes rental yield 4.8%. Agent says maintenance S$600 a year and apparently no one pays property tax according to him...

You have someone there to collect rental for you?
Is it new property under construction or resale property?
A lot of factors to consider.

if Kl / PJ area, I can give you some advice, but I am not familiar with Bangkok.

Wow, you sure you wanna have another paid up property again ahh?
:D:D Power.
 

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You have someone there to collect rental for you?
Is it new property under construction or resale property?
A lot of factors to consider.

if Kl / PJ area, I can give you some advice, but I am not familiar with Bangkok.

Wow, you sure you wanna have another paid up property again ahh?
:D:D Power.

No lah, just toying with the idea and looking around for areas with better rental yield....I got a problem that whenever my savings reach a certain level, I will be itchy finger and wanna invest...
 

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No lah, just toying with the idea and looking around for areas with better rental yield....I got a problem that whenever my savings reach a certain level, I will be itchy finger and wanna invest...

Buy landed from PJ/KL, it won't go wrong, but price rather expensive and rental yield is rather low. :D:D
 

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Buy landed from PJ/KL, it won't go wrong, but price rather expensive and rental yield is rather low. :D:D

Then no point...Malaysia and Sg rental yield is quite poor compared with some other parts of the world...and I want to diversify in different countries...
 

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Then no point...Malaysia and Sg rental yield is quite poor compared with some other parts of the world...and I want to diversify in different countries...

Malaysia condo rental yield is higher because capital gain is lesser.
I think this applies to other properties too. I call it the yield trap(a term used by me), means high yield property with lesser capital appreciation potential.
 

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Then no point...Malaysia and Sg rental yield is quite poor compared with some other parts of the world...and I want to diversify in different countries...

Then you have to factor in currency exchange rate too.
 

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is it a good idea to invest in a HDB in Jurong west? with the Jurong innovation district planned and NTU being nearby. will appreciate bo?
 

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There is a 1 bedder in Sukhumvit Street, a popular area, selling for S$149k which we can pay in full, rental for S$600 a month which makes rental yield 4.8%. Agent says maintenance S$600 a year and apparently no one pays property tax according to him...

Which part/soi of Sukhumvit Road are you referring too? Sukhumvit is a very long stretch of road extending from Bangkok to nearby Chonburi province you know? :s13:

Anyway Bangkok has too many junk condos and facing oversupply. Want to believe or not up to you. :s13:
 

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Bloomberg: Curb Your Enthusiasm for Singapore Property
* Rents aren't rising and a supply bulge is coming.
By Andy Mukherjee
January 16, 2018, 1:23 PM GMT+8

What's not to like about Singapore's property market?

Sales in 2017 touched a four-year high. Developers paid homeowners S$8.5 billion ($6.4 billion) -- the most since 2007 -- to vacate their homes so new apartment complexes could be built. Prices have stopped falling, and Credit Suisse Group AG expects them to rise between 5 percent and 10 percent this year. Even Peter Churchouse, a Hong Kong-based guru of all things real estate, is telling readers of his newsletter that one of his favorite property markets is "coming back to life."

You won't find proof of life in the rental market, however.

Having fallen 12.5 percent over four years, rents on Singapore residential properties are refusing to rebound. Prices, which have historically moved in near-perfect lockstep, are starting to decouple.

This may be just a lag effect: Rents could catch up. But there are several reasons to believe they may not. For one, a low birth rate, combined with Singapore's strict controls on immigration over the past few years, compressed the city's population growth between 2012 and 2017 to a compound annual rate of 1.1 percent, from 3 percent between 2007 and 2012. As the central bank says, at this rate it would take five years for the population to rise by 5 percent, compared with just two years previously.

Depressed wages could also affect demand. As I've noted, the monthly household income from work for condominium dwellers in the city-state was enough in 2016 to buy only 1.6 square meters of the median new home. When the market took off the after the slump caused by the 2003 SARS epidemic, that figure was 2.3 square meters -- wage earners were a lot richer back then.

Most developed countries are finding it hard to lift wages despite low unemployment, and Singapore is no exception. However, if wages don't rise, any increase in home prices will make property even less affordable. And that's going to be a hard sell politically, considering the government may also be toying with the idea of raising the goods and services tax -- perhaps as early as next month.

Singapore can always alter the economics of a purchase decision by lowering buyers' stamp duty.

Yet it may hesitate to do so, because the 3-month interbank rate, the benchmark for mortgages, fell below dollar Libor in October 2016. It's now heading down again. Put another way, there's an abundance of money in Singapore; inviting a raft of overseas funds to the island's property market may not be wise just now.

The city's monetary authority doesn't control interest rates. To ease the glut, it would have to allow the domestic currency to strengthen appreciably, so that speculators start fearing a depreciation that would wipe out gains on Singapore dollar assets.

A strong local currency, however, would force down the current 0.6 percent inflation rate by making imports super-cheap, thus further crimping wage earners' bargaining power. The affordability gap would widen.

Finally, officials won't turn a blind eye if last year's feverish pace of so-called en bloc sales -- where all condominium owners take cash from builders to leave, permitting redevelopment -- continues into 2018.

Those transactions do create new demand (the people whose houses are being bulldozed have to live somewhere), but they also lead to a bunching of supply down the road. In Singapore's case, that supply jump will come in 2021.

So while the authorities are probably going to be happy with moderate price gains over the next couple of years, they'll want investors to curb their enthusiasm. If things got too hot too quickly, the government would have to step in more forcefully.
 
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