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[xiaofan]

just changed to starhub... hitting around 600mbps on lan cable to router... seems like really congestion problem?

will check again during weekday working hours

What is the test device?

Are you using the OOkla Speedtest app? Or are you using Starhub website to carry out the test? You may want to try both.
https://resi.speedtest.starhub.com/

When Starhub installed the service for you, the installer will usually use the above Starhub website to carry out the test and you should be able to achieve >900Mbps speed with a proper test device (desktop/laptop with Gigabit Ethernet adapter, including USB 3.x adapter).

https://www.starhub.com/personal/broadband/typical-broadband-speed-plans.html

Typical Download Speeds	Local
Fibre
500Mbps	477.42Mbps – 496.78Mbps
1Gbps^	888.99Mbps – 957.05Mbps

 

[Milo-Dino]

What is the test device?

Are you using the OOkla Speedtest app? Or are you using Starhub website to carry out the test? You may want to try both.
https://resi.speedtest.starhub.com/

When Starhub installed the service for you, the installer will usually use the above Starhub website to carry out the test and you should be able to achieve >900Mbps speed with a proper test device (desktop/laptop with Gigabit Ethernet adapter, including USB 3.x adapter).

https://www.starhub.com/personal/broadband/typical-broadband-speed-plans.html

Typical Download Speeds	Local
Fibre
500Mbps	477.42Mbps – 496.78Mbps
1Gbps^	888.99Mbps – 957.05Mbps

i hit 656mbps with my desktop on LAN. (on that starhub link)

I tried wireless wifi6 infront of router with ookla speedtest app (on my xiaomi 13ultra) infront of the starhub guy and got around 600 just now lor. The starhub guy told me normal... is due to congestion. He says his place switch providers and equipment, singtel also give him 200-300 only (don't know true or not but probably ********ting)

 

[Milo-Dino]

What is the test device?

Are you using the OOkla Speedtest app? Or are you using Starhub website to carry out the test? You may want to try both.
https://resi.speedtest.starhub.com/

When Starhub installed the service for you, the installer will usually use the above Starhub website to carry out the test and you should be able to achieve >900Mbps speed with a proper test device (desktop/laptop with Gigabit Ethernet adapter, including USB 3.x adapter).

https://www.starhub.com/personal/broadband/typical-broadband-speed-plans.html

Typical Download Speeds	Local
Fibre
500Mbps	477.42Mbps – 496.78Mbps
1Gbps^	888.99Mbps – 957.05Mbps

i take it the speeds are high if it's direct to ONT....
tomorrow free then try again direct to ONT instead of via router

 

[xiaofan]

i take it the speeds are high if it's direct to ONT....
tomorrow free then try again direct to ONT instead of via router

Yes you can do that as a good troubleshooting step.

But a typical gigabit router (even a lousy one) should have no issue to hit 900Mbps using wired connection.

 

[xiaofan]

i hit 656mbps with my desktop on LAN. (on that starhub link)

I tried wireless wifi6 infront of router with ookla speedtest app (on my xiaomi 13ultra) infront of the starhub guy and got around 600 just now lor. The starhub guy told me normal... is due to congestion. He says his place switch providers and equipment, singtel also give him 200-300 only (don't know true or not but probably ********ting)

Wireless is normal.

Wired is not normal if you can only hit 656Mbps.

 

[Milo-Dino]

Wireless is normal.

Wired is not normal if you can only hit 656Mbps.

means slumggol really slum?
sian

Last time i remember hitting 800-900 years back... maybe later midnight try again when more users go sleep

 

[Milo-Dino]

guess what.. i went back to my router settings and this time i turned of the ASUS QoS setting.... now my speedtest hits 950 on my desktop.

so the QoS interferes with speedtest results......

Qn: So is it better to keep QoS off?

 

[xiaofan]

eguess what.. i went back to my router settings and this time i turned of the ASUS QoS setting.... now my speedtest hits 950 on my desktop.

so the QoS interferes with speedtest results......

Qn: So is it better to keep QoS off?

Now that explains the situation.

For Asus routers, the first thing to do is to disable all kinds of QoS or Adaptive QoS settings. The CPU is too weak to handle QoS for 1Gbps plan.

I know there are a few users like to use QoS/SQM/etc settings in this forum. But in general they are not so helpful for 1Gbps plan, unless you have a wired router with very powerful CPU (eg: desktop level Intel/AMD CPU, and not those low power type).

 

[Milo-Dino]

Now that explains the situation.

For Asus routers, the first thing to do is to disable all kinds of QoS or Adaptive QoS settings. The CPU is too weak to handle QoS for 1Gbps plan.

I know there are a few users like to use QoS/SQM/etc settings in this forum. But in general they are not so helpful for 1Gbps plan, unless you have a wired router with very powerful CPU (eg: desktop level Intel/AMD CPU, and not those low power type).

i have quite a few things running wired like my desktop.
Thought the QoS suppose to help but guess I was wrong lol.

 

[xiaofan]

i have quite a few things running wired like my desktop.
Thought the QoS suppose to help but guess I was wrong lol.

@hwzlite and @BradenHeat may not agree with me.

If you have the use cases like @hwzlite shows in the x86 soft router thread, maybe QoS is useful but not with the poor Asus routers (even with GT-AX6000 or GT-AX11000 Pro).

Reference:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...rough-guide-for-starters-12-dec-2021.6658392/
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/fyi-a-bufferbloat-101.6427979/
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/x86-soft-router-intel-n100-12th-gen-alder-lake.6958302/

 

[BradenHeat]

@hwzlite and @BradenHeat may not agree with me.

If you have the use cases like @hwzlite shows in the x86 soft router thread, maybe QoS is useful but not with the poor Asus routers (even with GT-AX6000 or GT-AX11000 Pro).

Reference:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...rough-guide-for-starters-12-dec-2021.6658392/
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/fyi-a-bufferbloat-101.6427979/
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/x86-soft-router-intel-n100-12th-gen-alder-lake.6958302/

Actually I do agree with you worrrr

QoS works only up to a certain amount of users all using the same 1gbps and wireless

5 family members and more , each with 2 devices.


The beauty of using Asus Merlin, which I would point out specifically the tweaked QoS from the forums works far better than stock, and in my experience, if you have loads of video calls in out at night with those same number of users and device


it’s makes quite a difference in jitter and thus the overall bandwidth ( lower than usual for speed test , unless you vtag with the custom QoS in Merlin )

If you want just max download speed and best test results , no QoS

however if you have streaming services or virtual calls, try with and without QoS each week to get a feel

Again if there’s only you and your wife, spouse, partner, then no point QoS unless you tend to download a lot of “junk” or do large file remote

there’s also NAS to dive in but that’s out of my area of experience and knowledge

 

[Milo-Dino]

Actually I do agree with you worrrr

QoS works only up to a certain amount of users all using the same 1gbps and wireless

5 family members and more , each with 2 devices.


The beauty of using Asus Merlin, which I would point out specifically the tweaked QoS from the forums works far better than stock, and in my experience, if you have loads of video calls in out at night with those same number of users and device


it’s makes quite a difference in jitter and thus the overall bandwidth ( lower than usual for speed test , unless you vtag with the custom QoS in Merlin )

If you want just max download speed and best test results , no QoS

however if you have streaming services or virtual calls, try with and without QoS each week to get a feel

Again if there’s only you and your wife, spouse, partner, then no point QoS unless you tend to download a lot of “junk” or do large file remote

there’s also NAS to dive in but that’s out of my area of experience and knowledge

Thanks. It's just me and wife but of course there are multiple devices connected.
Unlikely to do large downloads anymore since video streaming is so accessible these days.

we are more concern on working from home performance, especially our companies use VPN. We just wanna make sure the bottle neck is on the VPN server end rather than our own ISP

 

[cyberet]

Thanks. It's just me and wife but of course there are multiple devices connected.
Unlikely to do large downloads anymore since video streaming is so accessible these days.

we are more concern on working from home performance, especially our companies use VPN. We just wanna make sure the bottle neck is on the VPN server end rather than our own ISP

usually the bottle neck is on the VPN server as the encryption is reliant on the CPU on both ends.

QOS maybe required if you encounter lag during your VoIP/Video conference due to other users in your household maxing out the available bandwidth (may it be wireless/lan/isp, which is usually rare in a normal local context)

 

[Fronsac]

Thanks. It's just me and wife but of course there are multiple devices connected.
Unlikely to do large downloads anymore since video streaming is so accessible these days.

we are more concern on working from home performance, especially our companies use VPN. We just wanna make sure the bottle neck is on the VPN server end rather than our own ISP

If your company have a decent corporate connection, you should be capped at VPN instead. QOS is mostly useful if your bandwidth is capped out like heavy torrenting, or else switching them off is better. Most router do not have the processing power to do it well anyway.
Your weakest link should be your wifi so if you go wired, you should be very safe. Or else just check your wifi noise and signal at where you normally work.

 

[chenaz]

I turned off my QOS and scheduled reboot my Asus mesh once a week. Before that was suffering speed issue which around 100mbs only. My teams call and my wife teams call often dropped. So even with 2 person at home only. QOS does not help. Took sometime for me to figure out

 

[HiHelloBye]

I mean for MW3 some games I get as high as 200ms ping for some games on Oz servers. But using VPN, it's consistently 89ms for all games.

you bought MW3? i skip that due to bad reviews

jokes aside, last time when i used to play MW2, games were usually 100ms and below and if you're lucky, 50ms and below. ultimately, it genuinely depends on the fanbase too. if there's less fanbase in that region, they will throw you games with 150ms & above..

 

[BradenHeat]

If your company have a decent corporate connection, you should be capped at VPN instead. QOS is mostly useful if your bandwidth is capped out like heavy torrenting, or else switching them off is better. Most router do not have the processing power to do it well anyway.
Your weakest link should be your wifi so if you go wired, you should be very safe. Or else just check your wifi noise and signal at where you normally work.

Lol, as someone working in different MNCs, it would mean its required for sure

all of them have very bad latency regardless, and couple that with SingTel , the worst routes, its always Field day for us when theres a upgrade on internal Network apps or the VPN app itself

 

[BradenHeat]

I turned off my QOS and scheduled reboot my Asus mesh once a week. Before that was suffering speed issue which around 100mbs only. My teams call and my wife teams call often dropped. So even with 2 person at home only. QOS does not help. Took sometime for me to figure out

thats wrong way of testing,

- Asus mesh --> LAN connected or Wireless ?
--> quality of the LAN cables

--> the wireless you're connected, how far and the settings [ Higher Density the better, but do not blast your signal

opting for channel 56 first and slowly trial and error

--> What kind of QoS

--> Lastly, form the SNBForums,
if you have to reboot your router every once a month, theres more issue than that , which modern routers, starting from ax82u and above, or similar, shouldnt require, unless they're low on memory,

in that case, if more structured QoS is required, then a good [ Firewalla ] / [ Ubiquity ] / [ GL-iNet ] router with openwrt or similar is required

Just sharing my years of wall hitting, to save a few souls who are new in the game.

 

[chenaz]

thats wrong way of testing,

- Asus mesh --> LAN connected or Wireless ?
--> quality of the LAN cables

--> the wireless you're connected, how far and the settings [ Higher Density the better, but do not blast your signal

opting for channel 56 first and slowly trial and error

--> What kind of QoS

--> Lastly, form the SNBForums,
if you have to reboot your router every once a month, theres more issue than that , which modern routers, starting from ax82u and above, or similar, shouldnt require, unless they're low on memory,

in that case, if more structured QoS is required, then a good [ Firewalla ] / [ Ubiquity ] / [ GL-iNet ] router with openwrt or similar is required

Just sharing my years of wall hitting, to save a few souls who are new in the game.

Cat 6 cable and tried wireless backhaul and cable backhault.
Both way need to restsrt every once in awhile . I even had a mini fan 24/7 blowing the main node in DB to cool down the router .

 

[BradenHeat]

Cat 6 cable and tried wireless backhaul and cable backhault.
Both way need to restsrt every once in awhile . I even had a mini fan 24/7 blowing the main node in DB to cool down the router .

sorry to ask more,

but what is the mesh model ?

it might not just be heat but rather your setup in the surrounding.

i assume all your calls/ virtual video meetings are on wired as well ?

you might need to check out some of the tweaks/ settings, and test accordingly,

but if you're keen, gl-iNet router with the Openwrt, might allervate some of the main QoS issues that you're seeing [ one of, not the main problems ]


for now, if LAN connected devices are equally choppy,

- might have to see if your main asus mesh router, if the CPU is 80% utilize, and ram swap if any

just my 2 cents

added the Flint 2 performance :



as a reference, as to what Gl-iNet can provide, which Openwrt is the main goal