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Noob question.
In a 100% equities portfolio, how do you rebalance the portfolio without a bond component?

If you're a noob, I would think a simple global ETF is best for global equities. Then you won't have to worry about rebalancing by sector as the ETF does it all for you.

As for rebalancing vis-a-vis bonds and equities, I guess it depends on whether or not you even want bonds in your portfolio.
If the intention is just 100% equities, then no need to rebalance, just keep dollar cost averaging. If you are reaching an age where you want bonds, start buying bonds instead of all into equities.

Do note that some consider CPF as a possible bond component. Personally, I see no need for anyone with a healthy CPF to further diversify into bonds. Shrug.
 

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IWDA IB Fees

Hi everyone, I've just bought 12 units of IWDA at USD 59.05. The commission is USD 5. I expected it to be USD 1.70 with exchange fees. Did I do something wrong? Thanks!

Screenshot of IWDA purchase attached. https://imgur.com/a/NOQvRg0

Fees of USD 1.7 as stated at https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=1590&p=stocks2, Europe, "EUR, CHF, USD, PLN, ILS and HUF-Denominated Products Tiered".

And here's screenshot of the USD.SGD conversion. Hope I didn't make any mistakes!
https://imgur.com/a/wYuDx6A
 
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Hello, I've started investing not too long ago. Bought shiny's 1st book but regretfully didn't follow until I bought the updated one!

I started using POSB RSP for nikko AM. Bought some SSB as well. Am going to probably do quarterly DCA for IWDA. Recently I've decided I want to get accumulate some Hong Kong ETF. Would it make sense for me to use SC for IWDA and HK ETF, or SC for IWDA and FSMOne for HK? I've been researching but am still a little unclear. I will probably want to buy HK ETF every 6mths(due to minimum lot)

Not sure if this is a valid question! Thanks in advance for any help!
 

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Hello, I've started investing not too long ago. Bought shiny's 1st book but regretfully didn't follow until I bought the updated one!

I started using POSB RSP for nikko AM. Bought some SSB as well. Am going to probably do quarterly DCA for IWDA. Recently I've decided I want to get accumulate some Hong Kong ETF. Would it make sense for me to use SC for IWDA and HK ETF, or SC for IWDA and FSMOne for HK? I've been researching but am still a little unclear. I will probably want to buy HK ETF every 6mths(due to minimum lot)

Not sure if this is a valid question! Thanks in advance for any help!

Why hk etf? May i know the code? Does it trade in usd?

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Noob question.
In a 100% equities portfolio, how do you rebalance the portfolio without a bond component?

You don't. If your allocation is 100% equities there's nothing to rebalance.

You take on leverage. Example when sp500 is 3000 and you are 100% allocated. When sp500 hits 2500, you can go to 125% allocated.

God no. Retail investors shouldn't be using leverage, rev.
 

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Thanks ST.
Quick question.
Any reason why you mentioned POSB IB?

It’s because a) it’s pretty hard to go wrong, there’s only two options you can invest in and both are good; and b) the fees are relatively low, so it’s great for investors who are just starting out.

There are other RSPs out there, but honestly, POSB IB is good enough.

I'm in a bit of a peculiar spot at the moment, with a lump sum around ~200k SGD spread between a high interest rate (2-2.5%) savings account (34.5%) and SSBs (2%+) (65.5%). I put my funds into those investment vehicles first (still a student without salary income) to read up in order to decide what strategy is best moving forward. I want to gradually shift into the 3 fund portfolio as described in your book.

This confuses me a little -- "OR you're doing > $1,000 a clip" seems to suggest that if you're allocating $400/mth to IWDA, and you batch it up into quarters to $1200/quarter, then you should use IBKR? For that case, SCB would be around $80/year (4x USD 10.70 + forex spread on $4800) while IBKR would be $160/year (12x USD 10), so it's a bit odd.
Hold on, then I’m mis-stating it a bit. Don’t forget, you should really only be buying one counter each month (to minimize transaction costs).

If you’re investing one grand a month, buying one counter each month, then you’ll be buying a $1k clip of IWDA about every two months or so (a little less, depending on what your allocation is). That works out to:

At Stanchart: 6xUSD10.70 + 0.5% * 6000 SGD = about $120 SGD
At IBKR: about $160 SGD.

I’ll grant you this is a bit low, and the cutover point is closer to $1300 a month, but $1k is a nice round number and people’s investments tend to grow pretty quickly, especially when they’re just starting out.

So, the way I should phrase it is: “if you’re investing $1k SGD a month or more, OR if you have a >$200k lump sum, use SC / IBKR. If neither of those apply, use POSB / SC.”

Does that make more sense?

So i just started using IB to buy IWDA.
I got the message:

"Confirm Mandatory Cap Price

To avoid trading at a price that is not consistent with a fair and orderly market, IB may set a cap (for a buy order) or floor (for a sell order).
THIS MAY CAUSE AN ORDER THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE MARKETABLE NOT TO BE TRADED,

Cancel or OK"

I clicked OK, and nothing happens.

I think that means you're trying to send a market order (or a limit order with the price a long way through the market), and IB is just letting you know that they're going to limit the price you get filled at. If you click OK on that, I think the order will get sent straight to the exchange?

I have some friends who have been advocating the Permanent Portfolio by Harry Browne. They recommend it to use this portfolio approach for retirement. What are your thoughts on this? At least in the Singapore context.

This is a fun one. I think the Permanent Portfolio is a great idea in some ways, but in other ways it's absolute paranoid lunacy.

For anyone who hasn't run across it - the Permanent Portfolio is just a buy-and-hold-and-rebalance strategy as well, not a million miles off the three-fund strategy that I prefer. My problem is with the actual allocations: the Permanent Portfolio advocates a 25-25-25-25 mix of cash, long bonds, gold(!!!), and stocks.

Now that allocation is WAY too conservative for most people! 25% in stocks is the sort of allocation you'd expect to see in the portfolio of an 85-year-old. 25% in cash is a nightmare - cash is the lowest-performing asset imaginable. The reason you don't want to hold more cash than you need to is because the return-on-investment of cash is so anemic.

And the only investment worse than cash is the yellow rock. It has zero yield (actually a negative yield, because you've gotta pay to store it); it's an entirely speculative asset; and the only environment where it tends to do well is an environment of high inflation... but if you're trying to hedge against inflation, in that and every other environment, you'd do a lot better with an allocation to international stocks.

Gold is a dumb investment.

I think Shiny is just presenting the easiest low fuss method of regular investing.

Yeah, basically. "I want to teach my kid good investing habits" is a sliiiightly different use case from "I want to save up for my kid's college fees", and it needs a slightly different end product.

Just a thought: Would it make more sense to hold 100% equities long term if we're discussing this for a kid? The idea that we should diversify as we get older because we are more risk-adverse.

Fair question. I think a 100% equities allocation only really makes sense if you're saving for your kid's retirement, just from a risk-horizon point of view. I think y'd rather teach them the value of diversification (which means giving them some bonds as well as stonks) and also, they might want to pull the money for college (which means a more conservative allocation).

Am considering a Robo that would automate regular investing. The fees probably aren't too different from a RSS with DBS/OCBC and it gives more global exposure.

Still reading up and shopping for opinions/ ideas. Will decide and take action before the year is out.

I don't think there are any roboadvisors in Singapore that are quite up to scratch, and you'd be surprised how high some of the fees are.

HRecently I've decided I want to get accumulate some Hong Kong ETF.

So I say this a lot, but: ETFs aren't Pokemon, you don't need to own 'em all. There's not really a good reason to have a specific allocation to HK equities, unless you actually plan to retire in HK... and do you want to do that?

Hi everyone, I've just bought 12 units of IWDA at USD 59.05. The commission is USD 5. I expected it to be USD 1.70 with exchange fees. Did I do something wrong? Thanks!

You've probably got the commission set to fixed instead of tiered. Flip that switch and you should get the cheaper commission.
 

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Thought this would be interesting considering after all, Rich by Retirement

Full report here: https://info.mercer.com/rs/521-DEV-513/images/MMGPI%202019%20Full%20Report.pdf
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/money/top...uBP9NSuX6NKkd6dQMJNNoA7TU5zI5q88P-rD1PEK4vwXI

Singapore's retirement system takes the top spot amongst Asian countries and regions, and ranked seventh out of 37 retirement systems globally, according to the latest Melbourne Mercer Global Pension Index (MMGPI).

Singapore alone received a B- grade in Asia and was the only Asian country to break the 70 mark (70.8) index value in the region. Hong Kong and Malaysia followed, both improving to C+ from C- previously.

Assessing retirement systems across the sub-indices of adequacy, sustainability and integrity, Singapore topped the adequacy index in Asia—which measures benefits, savings, tax support, home ownership, and growth in assets among others.

Hong Kong's governance, regulation, and operating costs were hailed across Asia, ranking fourth out of 37 retirement systems globally in the integrity sub-index.

In Asia, D-grade systems were China (48.7), India (45.8), Japan (48.3), Korea (49.8). Joining them are newcomers Philippines (43.7) and Thailand (39.4), with Thailand having the lowest index value of all the systems studied. Indonesia achieved a C-grade (52.2).

Asia fell 10 points short of the global adequacy average of 50.3, and was also nine points below the global integrity average. The region is also 2.3 points below the global sustainability average of 50.4.

Although Asia' retirement systems "were on the right track," the region's governments, employers, and individuals are called to consider sustaining intergenerational retirement systems which would not put undue burden onto future generations, said Janet Li, Mercer's wealth business leader for Asia.

Li added that whilst each system is different, there are common denominators that they should all consider. "This includes increasing the minimum level of support for our poorest aged individuals, ensuring that a portion of retirement benefits is taken as an income stream, and raising the age at which older people can access their retirement savings in line with increasing life expectancy," she said.
 

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Firstly, thanks for the great discussions and insights everyone!

I am a beginner investor (32yo) looking to invest with the 3-fund portfolio strategy.
I will be making an initial investment of $10k to start learning and dollar cost averaging $1,000 monthly.

1) I am currently using OCBC as my main bank, so will likely go for their BCIP to invest in G3B and MBH instead of opening another POSB account.

May I know how G3B/MBH stacks up against ES3/A35?

2) Will be investing in IWDA/SWRD (80%) and EIMI (20%) through IBKR.
How does this ratio look?
With regards to IWDA and SWRD, are there any big differences considering they track the same index?


My tentative asset allocation will be:
70% International
20% Domestic
10% Bonds

Is this too risky?
I have a long investment horizon and would like to invest in global markets to cover US & China instead of focusing too much on Singapore.

Thank you!
 

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May I know how G3B/MBH stacks up against ES3/A35?
G3B and ES3 are both fine for what they are. They're both Straits Times Index (STI) stock funds traded on the SGX. Neither is suitable for U.S. persons.

MBH is an index fund that invests in Singapore dollar denominated corporate and government agency bonds of reasonable or better quality, while A35 invests in Singapore Government Securities. Other things being equal, MBH is a better choice for long-term investors. Each individual bond it holds is somewhat riskier, but there are lots of bond issuers to spread out that risk and long-term average returns should be somewhat higher to compensate for the risk.

2) Will be investing in IWDA/SWRD (80%) and EIMI (20%) through IBKR.
How does this ratio look?
At a S$1,000/month total flow rate you're probably better off "batching up" your global stock index fund buys and making them through Standard Chartered, simply for cost reasons. Standard Chartered has higher currency conversion costs and a higher minimum commission when a trade is made (US$10.70 per trade, which should also be the maximum), but you're not charged in months when you don't buy anything. IB will charge you a flat US$10 per month since that should be both the minimum and the maximum commission.

I think you'll probably want to make quarterly global stock index fund buys. I also think you should use VWRA instead of IWDA and EIMI. That'll reduce your global stock index fund count from 2 to 1, saving a lot of commission cost. VWRA is essentially IWDA+EIMI in a roughly 10:1 ratio, and it charges a very slightly higher but still very reasonable annual fund charge.

With regards to IWDA and SWRD, are there any big differences considering they track the same index?
The "S" means "Sterling," i.e. you use British pounds to buy it. Unless you already have British pounds lying around, stick to the U.S. dollar priced variant (IWDA). The "D" means distributing instead of "A" (accumulating). As a 32 year old long-term investor you want accumulating, meaning that dividends are reinvested automatically within the fund rather than distributed. VWRA is also an accumulating fund.

My tentative asset allocation will be:
70% International
20% Domestic
10% Bonds
Is this too risky?
For someone planning to retire in Singapore decades from now, no, it's fine as a long-term investment portfolio allocation. However, in the several years (7 years, or as many as 10) before retirement you'll gradually want to ease into a more conservative posture, converging typically to a 70% bonds and 30% stocks mix at retirement age with the stocks split approximately equally between SGX-listed and global.
 

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Hi ST & BBC I'm currently enlisted and am saving a large amount of my allowance to pay for university. I'll be saving about $900 monthly. It's likely that I will be using almost all of these savings to pay my tuition. It's likely that I will save up to 10k from serving, and in the break between ORD and the start of uni I'll have 9 months to work where I estimate I'll save at least 10k more.


Given that tuition fees are paid annually I don't feel I should just let the money sit in a savings account (since I'll be holding the bulk of the amount to pay fees every year) Given this scenario, should I try to invest in lower risk funds such as MBH (I assume IWDA and other stock based ETFs aren't recommended for such a short time frame right? ) and/or other bond funds or should I just keep these savings in a high interest savings account? I do plan on working while studying in university as well to build more savings and cover my expenses.


If I do invest in MBH, which broker should I use? I see SCB being recommended for local stocks (monthly amounts greater than $1,000,) what are your opinions on DBS Vickers Cash Upfront? From what I see the minimums are the same, with the percentage being alot lower (though that doesn't matter much for the amount I'm investing), am I missing out on something? I'm currently 18 and the age requirement to register for an SCB trading account is 21, whereas for DBSV it's 18. (On a side note does anyhow have an idea what the DBS Young Investor Programme entails?) Or would OCBC BCIP be better in this case?

2 yrs time frame. i won’t touch on mbh. mbh is a bond fund which is different from a normal bond. i will consider ssb or if possible, open a citi maxigain account, catch is need more than 70k to earn the base int. sho if ur parents hv the spare cash to park with u, why not?
 

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Given the context of RaymondVortex’s question, I wouldn’t want to make any assumptions about his parents having spare cash to park with his in a high interest savings account.

@Raymond, have you also considered Singapore Savings Bonds (SSB) to hold your cash for those short-term school fee needs? Coupon payouts are pro-rated and capital is guaranteed. MBH doesn’t offer those two benefits. Your age qualifies for SSB as well.

2 yrs time frame. i won’t touch on mbh. mbh is a bond fund which is different from a normal bond. i will consider ssb or if possible, open a citi maxigain account, catch is need more than 70k to earn the base int. sho if ur parents hv the spare cash to park with u, why not?
 

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Hi Shiny Things and all

I have been reading ur book and will be starting to put some money into investing.

I have a lump sum of more than $20k and will be dividing into 4 tranches in 4 months to buy some equity and bond. After that I will be putting in about $2500 per quarter.

I have divided into 20% bond (MH3) and 80% equities (of which 30% G3B , 70% IWDA).

For the broker I will use DBS for MH3 and G3B, standchart for IWDA.

Is this approach feasible? I am looking for long term investment for about 30 years.

Thank you.
 

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2 yrs time frame. i won’t touch on mbh. mbh is a bond fund which is different from a normal bond. i will consider ssb or if possible, open a citi maxigain account, catch is need more than 70k to earn the base int. sho if ur parents hv the spare cash to park with u, why not?

He NSF, eligible for SCB Jumpstart.

Hi ST & BBC I'm currently enlisted and am saving a large amount of my allowance to pay for university. I'll be saving about $900 monthly. It's likely that I will be using almost all of these savings to pay my tuition. It's likely that I will save up to 10k from serving, and in the break between ORD and the start of uni I'll have 9 months to work where I estimate I'll save at least 10k more.


Given that tuition fees are paid annually I don't feel I should just let the money sit in a savings account (since I'll be holding the bulk of the amount to pay fees every year) Given this scenario, should I try to invest in lower risk funds such as MBH (I assume IWDA and other stock based ETFs aren't recommended for such a short time frame right? ) and/or other bond funds or should I just keep these savings in a high interest savings account? I do plan on working while studying in university as well to build more savings and cover my expenses.


If I do invest in MBH, which broker should I use? I see SCB being recommended for local stocks (monthly amounts greater than $1,000,) what are your opinions on DBS Vickers Cash Upfront? From what I see the minimums are the same, with the percentage being alot lower (though that doesn't matter much for the amount I'm investing), am I missing out on something? I'm currently 18 and the age requirement to register for an SCB trading account is 21, whereas for DBSV it's 18. (On a side note does anyhow have an idea what the DBS Young Investor Programme entails?) Or would OCBC BCIP be better in this case?

Since your horizon is pretty short, I recommend putting it in a low-risk instrument. SCB Jumpstart A/C is a good place - 2% interest p.a. for the first 20K of balance.

The reason is that you don't want your cash to be in an illiquid place when you need to cash out to pay for your tuition fees. SSB rates are quite pathetic at the moment (hovering around 1.6%-1.7%), the best fixed deposit rates are around 1.80%-1.85%; SCB Jumpstart is a good place to park your money.
 

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Hi ST & BBC I'm currently enlisted and am saving a large amount of my allowance to pay for university. I'll be saving about $900 monthly. It's likely that I will be using almost all of these savings to pay my tuition. It's likely that I will save up to 10k from serving, and in the break between ORD and the start of uni I'll have 9 months to work where I estimate I'll save at least 10k more.
OK, so we're assuming 2+ years from now you'll start university.

Given that tuition fees are paid annually I don't feel I should just let the money sit in a savings account (since I'll be holding the bulk of the amount to pay fees every year)....
Yes, understood.

2 yrs time frame. i won’t touch on mbh. mbh is a bond fund which is different from a normal bond. i will consider ssb or if possible, open a citi maxigain account, catch is need more than 70k to earn the base int. sho if ur parents hv the spare cash to park with u, why not?
I agree with you that a bond index fund such as MBH is not really the right vehicle in these circumstances.

Given the context of RaymondVortex’s question, I wouldn’t want to make any assumptions about his parents having spare cash to park with his in a high interest savings account.
Agreed, and moreover banks can change their interest rules.

@Raymond, have you also considered Singapore Savings Bonds (SSB) to hold your cash for those short-term school fee needs? Coupon payouts are pro-rated and capital is guaranteed. MBH doesn’t offer those two benefits. Your age qualifies for SSB as well.
There's no age limit for SSBs, so I'm not sure what you mean there. But Singapore Savings Bonds are reasonable choices. For a 2+ year hold they're yielding 1.62% interest per year (this month's SSB), and there's really no safer place to park Singapore dollars since they're fully government guaranteed.

Another possibility is a set of fixed deposits. ICBC Singapore is currently offering 1.75% interest on 12 month fixed deposits opened online, and with a low minimum of S$500. These deposits are SDIC protected up to S$75,000. That's a bit higher than 1.62% obviously, and the S$500 minimum is really designed to compete head on with Singapore Savings Bonds. However, it's for 12 months, and it's possible interest rates could fall and leave you "stuck" at the end of 12 months. Also, fixed deposits typically have at least 3 month minimum terms, so they're "lumpier" than the month-to-month SSBs. (ICBC also lets you open a S$500 fixed deposit at a branch for 3, 6, or 9 month terms at 1.70% interest per annum.)

The government auctions 6 month T-Bills twice per month, every month. The minimum investment is S$1,000 (face value), and the minimum increment is S$1,000. Place a noncompetitive bid, and you get the best interest rate. The most recently offered 6 month T-Bill cleared at 1.72% interest per year. This too is ultra safe, backed by the full faith and credit of the Singapore government. 12 month T-Bills are auctioned once per quarter, and the last one back in July ended up yielding 1.78%. Same deal here, though: no guarantee interest rates won't be lower 6 months from now.

Please note that since your PSEA -- I assume you have one or will get one -- earns 2.5% interest, you'll want to draw from your PSEA only to fund the last portion of your university expenses. Lower yielding assets should be drawn down first. That makes logical sense, to keep the PSEA with its attractive 2.5% interest running as long as possible.
 

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He NSF, eligible for SCB Jumpstart.



Since your horizon is pretty short, I recommend putting it in a low-risk instrument. SCB Jumpstart A/C is a good place - 2% interest p.a. for the first 20K of balance.

The reason is that you don't want your cash to be in an illiquid place when you need to cash out to pay for your tuition fees. SSB rates are quite pathetic at the moment (hovering around 1.6%-1.7%), the best fixed deposit rates are around 1.80%-1.85%; SCB Jumpstart is a good place to park your money.

right. missed that out. he can open a scb jumpstart acc:s12: which pays better int compared to ssb now
 

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Yes, Standard Chartered's JumpStart account is currently paying 2.0% interest per annum on the first S$20,000. That's good, but there's no guarantee whatsoever that Standard Chartered will maintain those terms. Standard Chartered only says they'll give prior notice if (when) there are any changes, but that prior notice could be one day of notice.

So it depends on how you feel about the risk of an interest rate cut before you spend these dollars on university expenses. Of all the vehicles mentioned, SSBs are the only ones that guarantee particular interest rates over this entire time horizon. (SSBs come with 10 year interest rate guarantees.) If interest rates rise, you're welcome to "recycle" SSB dollars into higher interest SSBs or into other vehicles. If interest rates fall, previously purchased SSB interest rates won't fall -- they're guaranteed for the full term.
 
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