*Official* General Market Chit Chat Thread - Part 3

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Southeast Asian Stocks Crawl Back From Bear Market as Funds Buy

Southeast Asian stocks are bouncing back from a bear market, outpacing global indexes as foreign investors pour in amid recovering economies.
The MSCI South East Asia Index is up 20 percent from a closing low on Jan. 21. Leading the way is Philippine shares, which entered a bull market, considered by many to be a 20 percent rebound based on closing prices.
Southeast Asian markets are rebounding as accelerating economic growth and calmer currencies attract investors seeking refuge from the volatility rocking markets in China and Japan this year. That’s a reversal of fortunes from 2015 when the region’s equity gauge plunged 21 percent as prospects for higher U.S. rates spurred capital outflows.
“The risk-on trade is back on. This is a short term rebound after a tumultuous fourth quarter,” Geoffrey Ng, director at Fortress Capital Asset Management Sdn. in Kuala Lumpur, which oversees about $238 million, said by phone. “This is fueled partly by greater certainties of the path of U.S. interest rates.”
Southeast Asian assets have stabilized after Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen signaled in early February policy makers won’t rush to raise rates amid turbulence in global markets. The Fed earlier this week scaled back expectations for interest-rate increases this year.

The Philippine Stock Exchange Index climbed 1.3 percent to 7,306.74 at the close in Manila, taking gains from its closing low reached on Jan. 21 to 20 percent, on speculation that spending for the presidential vote in May will boost company earnings. Ayala Land Inc. and SM Investments Corp. paced advances.
“This rally looks sustainable,” said Soo Hai Lim, a Hong Kong-based money manager at Baring Asset Management, which oversees about $41 billion. “In the run up to the elections, Philippine consumer stocks will benefit from increased spending. We remain positive on the Philippines. We’re not really too concerned about the outcome of the elections as long as the new government pushes through with infrastructure projects.”
Other benchmark indexes in Asia are close behind Manila, as the MSCI South East Asia Index recovers from a 31 percent drop from an April peak. Taiwan and Indonesia benchmark indexes are up 19 percent from last year’s lows, while Thailand equities have jumped 13 percent from a January low. The broader MSCI Emerging Markets Index is up 19.7 percent from a January low.
Fund Flows
Overseas investors have bought $151.5 million of Philippine shares this month, set to end 11 months of withdrawals that saw them pull a record $2.39 billion. About $160 million of global funds have flowed into Indonesian equities during the same period, while $329.5 million poured into Thai stocks, data compiled by Bloomberg show.
Currencies have helped lift assets, a turnaround from last year, as they tumbled to follow a repeat of 2013’s taper tantrum when they paced losses in global equity markets after the Fed initially signaled it would reduce monetary stimulus. Malaysia’s ringgit has appreciated 5.9 percent this year, while Indonesia’s rupiah has gained 5.1 percent and the Thai baht has risen 3.5 percent.
The region has been rallying while other markets have struggled to dig themselves out of losses. The MSCI South East Asia Index is up 9.4 percent for the year, while the MSCI All Country World Index has dropped 0.8 percent. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index is down 0.2 percent, even after a 12 percent rally from a February low.
Yield Chase
“After the selloff in emerging markets, sentiment is relatively calmer,” Bernard Aw, a strategist at IG Asia Pte, said by e-mail. “The chase for yields has probably led some international investors to relook at the assets in Southeast Asia. These countries are less affected by global vicissitudes because of their larger domestic markets, and a lesser reliance on external trade to drive growth.”
Economies in Indonesia and Thailand recorded faster-than-estimated growth in the fourth quarter as stimulus measures by the two governments helped shield the countries from China’s slowdown. Thai Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-Ocha accelerated budget spending to help everyone from farmers to small businesses amid falling exports. Indonesia, Southeast Asia’s largest economy, cut its main interest rate for the third straight month in March to boost growth.
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has forecast Asean, or the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, will record economic growth of 4.5 percent this year, compared with expansions of 2.1 percent in the U.S., 1.4 percent in the Euro area, and 0.7 percent in Japan.
Filipinos go to the polls on May 9 to elect the replacement of President Benigno Aquino, who is limited to a single six-year term that ends June 30. Aquino boosted growth in Southeast Asia’s fifth-largest economy as he raised taxes and increased infrastructure spending to a record.
“We like Philippine consumer stocks,” Raymond Kong, Singapore-based fund manager at One Asia Investment Partners, which oversees $2.5 billion of assets, said. “They’re not cheap because investors are paying a premium for growth. The elections will be beneficial for the consumer stocks.”
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I was reading abt Trump in papers today. He is against TPP. Interesting. Asian markets may actually collapse if he imposes anti free trade policies. Asian markets collapse n US swoop in and buy all the blue chips? GG.
 

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Dear all got her reply already.

I was within the batch where you can on reaching 55
- choose to close your cpf investment portfolio n transfer these shares over to CDP directly in own personal a/c
- can withdraw any amount in excess of the then Full Retirement Sum n Medisave which are to be kept for your old age till age 65 payouts
including any investment proceeds in my Special Account etc
after that Age 55 withdrawal. still allowed to withdraw the excess cpf once a year in your birthday month
- in 2014, the year of my 2nd retrenchment I was allowed to make 2 withdrawals (cpf bd allows you to withdraw the excess cpf on proof of loss of job or sickness)

I got my shares sold off leaving only DBS etc (which were also sold off later in 2015 when 'no money or broke later' n before my bankruptcy filing leaving only a dud counter worth less than $1 in my CDP hahaha) so I have
funds for :
- my post-retrenchment living expenses
- my cfd trading capital
- some modest slot capital to enjoy expensive slot fun indulgence (later
from my cfd trading profits, would only go into the casino after making sure enough funds for that month to pay all my creditor banks etc )

When all resources/cfd trading capital virtually wiped out I had no choice but to self-file for bankruptcy for peace of mind etc
Forced to cashed out my last remaining critical illness insurances etc n used a portion of the proceeds for my very last slot fling at the casino too hahaha ......too bad it wasnt a positive winning trip here
ie my mantra is - only slot when hv funds that I can afford to lose n not otherwise
 

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Dear all got her reply already.

Which means now this loophole is closed and bcos of her, we are not able to do such thing anymore le. Haha

I don't think we are now able to transfer cpfis shares into Cdp now
 
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I was reading abt Trump in papers today. He is against TPP. Interesting. Asian markets may actually collapse if he imposes anti free trade policies. Asian markets collapse n US swoop in and buy all the blue chips? GG.

trump won't win presidency one la.
if he win, i chop moi kkj.

clinton high chance... :s12:
 

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Cpf is a safe haven if you bankrupt. That's why a lot of people after they declare bankrupt, still able to live quite well after 55 years old. :)

Which means now this loophole is closed and bcos of her, we are not able to do such thing anymore le. Haha

I don't think we are now able to transfer cpfis shares into Cdp now
 

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Wow so fast asia up 20% from bottom

GG

Bear dead liao

Good read. If stocks are not moving up in rally, what's the probability they will go up in bear market.
I will have to take a close look at my current portfolio to trim the non performers.

Too much money in stocks? Time to spring-clean
http://www.straitstimes.com/business/invest/too-much-money-in-stocks-time-to-spring-clean?xtor=CS3-18
 

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Cpf is a safe haven if you bankrupt. That's why a lot of people after they declare bankrupt, still able to live quite well after 55 years old. :)

Yeah, Hdb also, they can't touch your Hdb too.. But if u have Pte, u can sell or force to sell
 

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Cpf is a safe haven if you bankrupt. That's why a lot of people after they declare bankrupt, still able to live quite well after 55 years old. :)

Ehhhh if you don't dump all your money into a vehicle that locks it up till 55, then you might have money to pay your debts so no need to declare bankrupt.
 

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I think her margin is a lot of times of the money she owns. :)

I have very different risk profile compared to hers.
I am much more conservative. I no need big house, big cars, simple life enough for me.
So what she did has no relevance for me.
Maybe closer to yours since you use leverage as a tool.
 

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Just sharing Jie, don be so serious.

I don't really trade a lot, normally I do a risk reward before I commit. Even the money that I am borrowing now, it is kind of back up by various tools.

I have very different risk profile compared to hers.
I am much more conservative. I no need big house, big cars, simple life enough for me.
So what she did has no relevance for me.
Maybe closer to yours since you use leverage as a tool.
 

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Just sharing Jie, don be so serious.

I don't really trade a lot, normally I do a risk reward before I commit. Even the money that I am borrowing now, it is kind of back up by various tools.

Haha i sounded serious ah? No lah, I am seldom serious on forums lah.
 

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Good read. If stocks are not moving up in rally, what's the probability they will go up in bear market.
I will have to take a close look at my current portfolio to trim the non performers.

Too much money in stocks? Time to spring-clean
http://www.straitstimes.com/busines...ey-in-stocks-time-to-spring-clean?xtor=CS3-18

At one Chinese New Year luncheon, a senior banker in wealth management observed that this was the toughest time in his 28-year career.

Besides the pain of seeing part of his wealth evaporate, he also had to cope with anxious - and in some cases, angry - clients upset over the loss of their investments. All classes of assets were down since January and the only safe bet seemed to be gold, he added.

what? this 3500 to 2550 is his worst experience in 28 years? :s22:
Exaggerating is it? If it is the worst in 28 years hor, I think I can survive any market downturn liao... Many here can too... :s13:

Don't worry guys, we have survived the worst in 28 years! :s8:
 
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