[HELP] Need advice on CAT 6 lan cable installation

[eric3743]

Hi. I updated the sketch to show the datapoints in red. Would this be OK?

Also I need switch because I have 5 data points. Is that correct? Or any better alternatives?

I have specifically told the designer to inform the electrician to install the data points in the utility board as well.

Thanks

Note that each data point can cost $100 ~ $150 depend on contractor mark-up cost.


At this stage it is best to provide a layout of your premise and locations of data points.

In this way it will make it clearer for more to provide better advice and any other solutions, if any.



Back to your mapping.

Each data point required 1 lan cable (Cat-6, preferable) with the other end is another data point.
Even 2 data points on 1 faceplate still require 2 data points at the other end.

Master room.
The Router connect to DP is for wireless and set as access point.
From the Router LAN ports to the 2 PC, and not DP so removed the word.

Bedroom 1 & 2 with each DP will be fine.

Living room.
The Router connect to DP is for wireless and set as access point.
As for the Internet TV box which connect via Router LAN port, i am not sure on this setup.
If there is problem then you may have to use a switch, meaning that the DP connect to Switch to both Router and Internet TV box.

Living room / study area. 5 rooms flat.
It is fine with a DP to switch.

 

[nez]

Note that each data point can cost $100 ~ $150 depend on contractor mark-up cost.


At this stage it is best to provide a layout of your premise and locations of data points.

In this way it will make it clearer for more to provide better advice and any other solutions, if any.



Back to your mapping.

Each data point required 1 lan cable (Cat-6, preferable) with the other end is another data point.
Even 2 data points on 1 faceplate still require 2 data points at the other end.

Master room.
The Router connect to DP is for wireless and set as access point.
From the Router LAN ports to the 2 PC, and not DP so removed the word.

Bedroom 1 & 2 with each DP will be fine.

Living room.
The Router connect to DP is for wireless and set as access point.
As for the Internet TV box which connect via Router LAN port, i am not sure on this setup.
If there is problem then you may have to use a switch, meaning that the DP connect to Switch to both Router and Internet TV box.

Living room / study area. 5 rooms flat.
It is fine with a DP to switch.

Regarding Master room, i was thinking of saving cost, so just add 1 pair of Data points on opposite wall (as shown in the sketch) that only connect to each other, instead running new cables all the way to the utility board.
Or its better to just run the data point (on the right side) all the way to utility board instead?

 

[eric3743]

Regarding Master room, i was thinking of saving cost, so just add 1 pair of Data points on opposite wall (as shown in the sketch) that only connect to each other, instead running new cables all the way to the utility board.
Or its better to just run the data point (on the right side) all the way to utility board instead?

Well the layout is good and fine.
As it depend on your layout as the table size occupy space.
Suit it to your final arrangement on furniture.

It is better that the Router is at the data point from Main Router.

As usually contractor charge is on trucking.
Some on length or per connection.
Data point & faceplate is cheap as ISP contractor charge $25 standard rate.
So you need to nego with the designer/contractor.
Ensure the electrician know about fibre networking.
As mine messed up badly.

Note.
Most probably the right side do have a telephone point n power supply.
My room layout is the same, as data point is on the left, now unused as unable to locate the other end at db box.

 

[eric3743]

Thanks I will reconsider.



So as of now, base on a 5 port switch which covers my current 5 data points, since there is no other data points I would not need to connect to the main router, correct?

Also, is it better to connect to the last 3 ports on the main router , then get a 2 port switch instead? Would that be better & less costly?

Thanks

Regarding about Switch.
Get a simple 8-port switch as pricing & size is not much differences.

For 8 ports, one port is for to connect to Router.
So balance 7 ports to use it all in the utility.
I am using DLink gigabit 8 port switch in my room.

Ulility room need Power supply for 3 devices, ONT, Router & Switch.

 

[nez]

Well the layout is good and fine.
As it depend on your layout as the table size occupy space.
Suit it to your final arrangement on furniture.

It is better that the Router is at the data point from Main Router.

As usually contractor charge is on trucking.
Some on length or per connection.
Data point & faceplate is cheap as ISP contractor charge $25 standard rate.
So you need to nego with the designer/contractor.
Ensure the electrician know about fibre networking.
As mine messed up badly.

Note.
Most probably the right side do have a telephone point n power supply.
My room layout is the same, as data point is on the left, now unused as unable to locate the other end at db box.

Thanks for the advice. Today just met the electrician & went through the LAN location, which to relocated & which is new. For the master room I went for the 2 dedicated data points instead.

 

[nez]

Regarding about Switch.
Get a simple 8-port switch as pricing & size is not much differences.

For 8 ports, one port is for to connect to Router.
So balance 7 ports to use it all in the utility.
I am using DLink gigabit 8 port switch in my room.

Ulility room need Power supply for 3 devices, ONT, Router & Switch.

Which model you using for the DLink gigabit 8 port switch? Thanks

 

[eric3743]

Which model you using for the DLink gigabit 8 port switch? Thanks

Bought from Challenger.

 

[eric3743]

Thanks for the advice. Today just met the electrician & went through the LAN location, which to relocated & which is new. For the master room I went for the 2 dedicated data points instead.

Best to let them decide as their are expert and convenient to them.
Since 8 port switch do have enough ports to use.

Suggest to connect Router to Switch.
Then switch to all data points.
As switch can manage the routing on the bandwidth.

A part-time promoter/student in IT explained to me.

If a port required more bandwidth, say to download large file while another port to streaming which need not.
Then the smart switch can allocated more bandwidth for download and less for streaming.
Hence to make use of the switch to handle this function.

Whereas Managed Switch using software to control which port to have more or less bandwidth.

For your info.

 

[nez]

Suggest to connect Router to Switch.
Then switch to all data points.
As switch can manage the routing on the bandwidth.

This is correct right?

If a port required more bandwidth, say to download large file while another port to streaming which need not.
Then the smart switch can allocated more bandwidth for download and less for streaming.
Hence to make use of the switch to handle this function.
Whereas Managed Switch using software to control which port to have more or less bandwidth.

So the switch have 2 features, smart switch and/or managed switch?

Your switch have both this feature?

Yesterday, was at challenger to look at the switches. Some range from $20+ to $150+ to $350+.
Whats the main difference?

Thanks

 

[nez]

This is my updated mapping layout.

Because we now decided to have the digital telephone instead, I now require a 9 switch port instead, which i dont think in the market have.

So is it possible to connect the 2 phones to the router instead of the switch?

Thanks

 

[Nakedtoes]

This is my updated mapping layout.

Because we now decided to have the digital telephone instead, I now require a 9 switch port instead, which i dont think in the market have.

So is it possible to connect the 2 phones to the router instead of the switch?

Thanks

The telephone is connect to the ONT... so if u need 2 handset u need to get those receiver x1 with 2 hand sets one

 

[nez]

The telephone is connect to the ONT... so if u need 2 handset u need to get those receiver x1 with 2 hand sets one

Yes I mean those phones that comes in a pair. Still ame number. So my connection can plug into the router instead of switch?

 

[eric3743]

This is correct right?

So the switch have 2 features, smart switch and/or managed switch?

Your switch have both this feature?

Yesterday, was at challenger to look at the switches. Some range from $20+ to $150+ to $350+.
Whats the main difference?

Thanks

There are 2 types of switch.

1. Basic switch.
Or smart switch as it is Auto mode, plug n use as no configuration &or setting required.

2. Managed switch.
This come with software to control, as explained.

I am using the basic/smart switch.

 

[eric3743]

This is my updated mapping layout.

Because we now decided to have the digital telephone instead, I now require a 9 switch port instead, which i dont think in the market have.

So is it possible to connect the 2 phones to the router instead of the switch?

Thanks

Ahhh.. no.
Telephone point use RJ11 whereas data point use RJ45.
Both are separate.

You do not add telephone points to switch, period.
Switch is for data.

Your electrician should know how to do.
The utility should have tel points that end in all rooms, including living & master.

The ONT Telephone Port-1 will then connect to selected &or all tel points in the utility.
Hence you can call using those selected/all rooms.

Flats do have tel points in each room which is working.
Not necessary to use digital phone with 2 or more handsets.
Digital phone handsets place too near to router will affect router wireless signal as both use 2.4GHz band.

 

[nez]

Ahhh.. no.
Telephone point use RJ11 whereas data point use RJ45.
Both are separate.

You do not add telephone points to switch, period.
Switch is for data.

Your electrician should know how to do.
The utility should have tel points that end in all rooms, including living & master.

The ONT Telephone Port-1 will then connect to selected &or all tel points in the utility.
Hence you can call using those selected/all rooms.

Flats do have tel points in each room which is working.
Not necessary to use digital phone with 2 or more handsets.
Digital phone handsets place too near to router will affect router wireless signal as both use 2.4GHz band.

Hi. The electrician said telephone can connect to RJ45. So on his advise, all the telephone changed to LAN faceplate. I did highlight which point I will be using as phone. Is there a mistake somewhere?

 

[eric3743]

Hi. The electrician said telephone can connect to RJ45. So on his advise, all the telephone changed to LAN faceplate. I did highlight which point I will be using as phone. Is there a mistake somewhere?

He could mean a connector with both RJ11 & RJ45.
Yes it is possible.

Then you can use the Router LAN ports to connect to some data points.
But this depend, as to seek electrician advice which is better.

Total available is 10 ports.
As 8-port switch with 7 ports for data points.
Plus 3 from the router.

For switch just get a basic like mine.
So far no problem.
Currently on sale have 5 & 8 ports only.

Add:
Iirc the smart switch could detect the type of signal.
So tel (data) points connect to switch.
Or another switch for tel convert data to use solely.. haha..

 

[eric3743]

Hi. The electrician said telephone can connect to RJ45. So on his advise, all the telephone changed to LAN faceplate. I did highlight which point I will be using as phone. Is there a mistake somewhere?

Edit/Add: After re-read all your posts.

I think you should get a clearer picture regarding to data / tel points from the electrician instead of guessing.
That's based on your layout.

Both tel and data cables connectors can be connected to one single data point.
There is an adapter for this to work.
The other end also have the adapter with both tel & data cables connected to.

In this way it could ease on using so many data point.
Hence for example in the master room the 2nd data point can act as both tel & data use.

 

[moron+genius]

I dun think tel can connect 2 switch 2 distribute 2 other locations like data. I haf a telephone connected 2 wall data pt n at DB side connected 2 ONT. each ends I used a cat6 patch cable tat have 1 end RJ11 n another end RJ45.

 

[eric3743]

Hi. The electrician said telephone can connect to RJ45. So on his advise, all the telephone changed to LAN faceplate. I did highlight which point I will be using as phone. Is there a mistake somewhere?

Final draft as what i meant.

ONT Telephone Port-1 connect to a telephone splitter.

Each point will connect directly to Data point, bypass the Switch.
The Data point will have a splitter/combined,

This will enable both tel & data into one data point.

As for the other end will have another to connect to both tel and computer/router.

Layout;

Pictures are for illustrations purpose.

 

[gregory_choo]

The telephone is connect to the ONT... so if u need 2 handset u need to get those receiver x1 with 2 hand sets one

This is my updated mapping layout.

Because we now decided to have the digital telephone instead, I now require a 9 switch port instead, which i dont think in the market have.

So is it possible to connect the 2 phones to the router instead of the switch?

Thanks

If your "digital telephone" is DECT phone, then you don't need to install cable and RJ45/RJ11 faceplate for the phone. You need only 7 ports. You have the options of using a 5-port switch or 8port switch. If using 5 port switch, 3 DP are connected to router, and 4 DP are connected to switch.

What you need is DECT phone kit with 2 handsets - it will have a basestation and 2 handsets in the box. You can buy additional handsets if there is a need, one dect base-station can connect up to 6 handsets, and you can intercom between the handset, transfer call from one handset to another handset.

Just connect the dect basestation to ONT. Thats all. You can use the wireless handset anywhere in the house. The coverage is very good, much better than wifi coverage, it can even work outside the house.

If you are not thinking of using DECT phone, I suggest you take a look. It is cheap, one handset can be as low as $30.