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WussRedXLi

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bro thanks alot for the info... didnt know this been discussed else would have read the threads.:D..

It's good knowledge, prevention is better than cure. When one reaches age 40, will really find that these stuff like root canal treatment/severe gingivitis that gives rise to bone loss can be easily prevented by just having some standard regarding oral hygiene.
And even then, it does not mean that you spend 2-3k on a good RCT = ok liao, sometimes there is recurrence coz of various reasons (eg specialist not that good).

Age 20 or even 30 still ok, relatively healthy.....unless one's oral hygiene standard is really piss poor. Won't have teeth loss etc.

Repeat, prevention is better than cure. In this case, tons better.
 

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Which electric toothbrush is better? Oral B or Sonicare? I did a search on Google and see a lot of recommendations for Sonicare. Wonder if there’s any research done that has direct comparison for electric toothbrush performance.


Found the info that i posted earlier.

Note - it's what i can google and find on NCBI. I can't help it if the dentists are biased due to sponsorship etc. You are probably fine if you have either Oral B or Philips sonicare, it's more of a first world problem than anything and boils down to product and brushhead replacement prices.


Ultimately, my experience and view is that if one's skill and brushing method is just shoddy all the way to normal, you can benefit from using an electric.
If you are pro and very merticulous in manual brushing, you might not find that much of a difference between electric and manual.

And finally, if you are the type in which electric suits you and you go for say Oral B line-up (go for the 3D range, having both oscillations and pulsations actions), then those minor differerences like Oral B 3000 with 20,000 oscillations/min and 40,000 pulsations/min vs lower range models having 20,000 oscillations and 20,000 pul/min don't make that much of a difference.

ie If you have the budget, then power to you go ahead......but if you are aiming for the best value, go for those having 20,000 osc/min and 20,000 pul/min is absolutely fine, very minimal differences that aren't worth pursuing.....spend the money towards water flossing as well (very recommended, will make a much much bigger difference in oral hygiene).


Oral B vs Sonicare, which is better?


I think it's nearly a toss up with a slight lean towards Oral B.
Edit - It's really leaning towards Oral B now....

Stuff like duration of brushing and technique matters significantly.
BTW these researches often do not differentiate/declare whether Oral B or Sonicare is the sponsor. :s12:


This study on NCBI says Oral B
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24282870

CONCLUSION:
An advanced oscillating-rotating power toothbrush produced substantial, statistically superior reductions in plaque and gingivitis via multiple outcome measures compared to a new sonic toothbrush after both four weeks and 12 weeks of tooth brushing.



This study on NCBI says Sonicare
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9487838

Conclusion : Overall, this study demonstrates that long-term use of these two electric toothbrushes improves periodontal health in adult periodontitis patients, and that the Sonicare brush is superior to the Braun brush in reducing gingival inflammation and probing depth. Moreover, 6 months' use of Sonicare led to actual improvement in probing attachment levels of periodontal pockets.



This study a bit undecided between the 2 :s13:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15633499

Data revealed that the oscillating/rotating toothbrush was more effective than the Sonicare toothbrushes with respect to plaque removal. It is possible that factors associated with the clinical situation such as damping resulting from bristle contact with the tooth surface and the high viscosity of saliva and dentifrice may counteract dynamic fluid activity in vivo. This review indicates that dynamic fluid activity beyond the reach of bristles as demonstrated in the laboratory is yet unproven in the clinical situation.




This study says Oral B
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15997965
CONCLUSION:
Based on the findings of this single-use clinical evaluation, the action of the oscillating/ pulsating power toothbrush is more effective at plaque removal than a high frequency power toothbrush.




This study says Oral B
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16208801
An oscillating/pulsating electric toothbrush versus a high-frequency electric toothbrush in the treatment of gingivitis.

CONCLUSIONS:
The oscillating/pulsating power toothbrush (Oral-B ProfessionalCare 7000) was more effective than the high-frequency power toothbrush (Philips Sonicare Elite) at plaque removal and improvement of gingival condition, with no greater potential for causing gingival abrasion.




This study says Oral B
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9823079
A crossover clinical investigation of the safety and efficacy of a new oscillating/rotating electric toothbrush and a high frequency electric toothbrush.

PURPOSE:
To compare the efficacy on plaque, gingivitis and calculus of an oscillating/rotating power toothbrush (Braun Oral-B Ultra Plaque Remover-D9) and a high frequency toothbrush (sonicare).

RESULTS:
Both toothbrushes were found to be safe and effective, but a significantly lower gingival index (P = 0.002) and a lower calculus index (P = 0.022) was found in the D9 group. Assessment of patient preferences revealed that a significant majority of subjects in the study (65%) preferred the D9 to the high frequency toothbrush (27%). It is concluded that the D9 may offer greater potential for the maintenance of good gingival condition than the high frequency toothbrush, and that the greater preference for the D9 may be important with respect to long-term compliance.



This study says Oral B
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12666948
A split-mouth comparison of a three-dimensional-action electric toothbrush and a high-frequency electric toothbrush for reducing plaque and gingivitis.

PURPOSE:
To compare the effectiveness in reducing plaque and gingivitis of an electric toothbrush with three-dimensional (oscillating/rotating/pulsating) brush head action, Braun Oral-B 3D Plaque Remover, and an electric toothbrush with high-frequency vibrating action, Sonicare Plus.

RESULTS:
After 21 days without oral hygiene, mean mandibular plaque and gingivitis scores increased significantly for all subjects. Use of both electric toothbrushes during the treatment phase progressively reduced plaque and gingivitis scores at each successive examination. The Braun toothbrush was significantly more effective than the Sonicare toothbrush in reducing plaque at every examination and gingival bleeding after 4 weeks of brushing. It is concluded that the Braun electric toothbrush with three-dimensional brush head action offers advantages over the Sonicare electric toothbrush with high-frequency vibrating action in terms of plaque control and potential improvement of gingival health following induction of experimental gingivitis.



This study says Oral B
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8739175
Comparison of an oscillating/rotating electric toothbrush and a 'sonic' toothbrush in plaque-removing ability. A professional toothbrushing and supervised brushing study.

Abstract
The purpose of the present study was to compare the Braun/Oral-B Plak Control (D7) and Sonicare (S) in their plaque-removing efficacy. For this study, 35 university students (non-dental) were selected. This was a 2-part study. Prior to each appointment, all subjects were asked to abstain from all oral hygiene procedures for at least 24 h. In Part 1, the efficacy of the toothbrush was studied when one of the investigators brushed the teeth of the panellists. In Part 2, the efficacy of toothbrushing was studied after the students had received professional instruction. The available time for the brushing amounted to a total of 2 min per mouth. Dental plaque was evaluated by means of the Silness and Löe plaque index assessed at 6 sites per tooth. Results showed that both in Part 2 and Part 1 the D7 removed significantly more plaque than the S-electric toothbrush. The plaque reduction assessed according to Silness and Löe in Part 1 was for the D7, 1.28 and for the S, 1.12. In Part 2, the reductions were 0.90 and 0.80, respectively. The majority (n = 34) of subjects preferred the D7 over the S. In conclusion, the results of the present study show that the oscillating/rotating toothbrush (Braun/ Oral-B Plak Control) is more effective in plaque removal than the sonic electric toothbrush (Sonicare). In addition, given a choice, the panellists preferred the oscillating/rotating electric toothbrush.
 
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Which electric toothbrush is better? Oral B or Sonicare? I did a search on Google and see a lot of recommendations for Sonicare. Wonder if there’s any research done that has direct comparison for electric toothbrush performance.

Still need oh floss after brushing whether manual or electric toothbrush...
 

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I find Xiaomi quality similar to my Philips. Philips still feel slightly stronger but my Dentist warned against brushing too hard.
 

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Still need oh floss after brushing whether manual or electric toothbrush...

Agreed, that's what i said. Flossing, be it water/string/whatever is still gonna make a pretty marked difference.

eg i can use an electric toothbrush to brush, 3 mins brushing. And i have owned both oral B as well as Philips sonicare.

Even after brushing, i just follow up with my water flosser, there still will have bits of stuff being blasted out, that's from the gaps in between the teeth.

It's just not possible for any type of brushing to totally cover all the interdental parts (parts in between teeth)

Water flossing also additionally takes care of subgingival plague, ie cleans the part up to 3-4mm beneathe the gumline.
 
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I find Xiaomi quality similar to my Philips. Philips still feel slightly stronger but my Dentist warned against brushing too hard.

Yeah, some press too hard with an electric and there were cases in which they totally screwed up their teeth/gum.

Same issue can surface with manual as well of coz...not just an electric toothbrush issue.


A good way to prevent this for newbies is to just grasp the handle of the electric with just your fingers, and not with the whole hand/palm. In that way one can't press too hard. Get used to the pressure needed, then next time can use whatever method to hold.
 

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Agreed, that's what i said. Flossing, be it water/string/whatever is still gonna make a pretty marked difference.

eg i can use an electric toothbrush to brush, 3 mins brushing. And i have owned both oral B as well as Philips sonicare.

Even after brushing, i just follow up with my water flosser, there still will have bits of stuff being blasted out, that's from the gaps in between the teeth.

It's just not possible for any type of brushing to totally cover all the interdental parts (parts in between teeth)

Water flossing also additionally takes care of subgingival plague, ie cleans the part up to 3-4mm beneathe the gumline.
Did you try thread flossing after water floss? Is water floss effective..?
I been starting to use interdental brush... cos gaps are getting wider...
 

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Did you try thread flossing after water floss? Is water floss effective..?
I been starting to use interdental brush... cos gaps are getting wider...

I had been using string floss for over 10 years before starting water floss in 2012.

It's very effective no worries, another benefit is that it also takes care of subgingival areas as well (up to 3-4mm below gumline) that string does not take care.
I posted some research that i managed to google before regarding water vs string......will see if i can find it and repost.
 

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Did you try thread flossing after water floss? Is water floss effective..?
I been starting to use interdental brush... cos gaps are getting wider...

Unfortunately i can't find my big/long post regarding string vs water flossing.

PS. Also, for some having big problem areas, like impacted wisdom tooth so the gaps are partially hidden + way back there, there is no way string floss is going to reach those areas.
In addition to the point that water flossing takes care of gingivitis prevention/subgingival gum health improvement.....that string flossing does not take care of.


But just a quick search on NCBI.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24568169

CONCLUSIONS:
These results demonstrate that the water flosser group had statistically significantly greater bleeding reduction than the string floss group. The authors concluded that water flossing may be a useful adjuvant for implant hygiene maintenance.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24282867

RESULTS:
The WF group had a 74.4% reduction in whole mouth plaque and 81.6% for approximal plaque compared to 57.7% and 63.4% for the SF group, respectively (p < 0.001). The differences between the groups showed the water flosser was 29% more effective than string floss for overall plaque removal and approximal surfaces specifically (p < 0.001). The WF group was more effective in removing plaque from the marginal, lingual, and facial regions; 33%, 39%, and 24%, respectively (p < 0.001).

CONCLUSION:
The Waterpik Water Flosser and manual toothbrush is significantly more effective than a manual brush and string floss in removing plaque from tooth surfaces.


Anyway just a quick google check would reveal that water flossing usually yields better results than string flossing.
https://www.google.com.sg/search?so....64.psy-ab..1.5.226.6..0i131k1.47.YY4jUOt7svs
 
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I had been using string floss for over 10 years before starting water floss in 2012.

It's very effective no worries, another benefit is that it also takes care of subgingival areas as well (up to 3-4mm below gumline) that string does not take care.
I posted some research that i managed to google before regarding water vs string......will see if i can find it and repost.

What brand you are using, wanna try it...
 

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What brand you are using, wanna try it...

I'm using both Waterpik brand and also the Panasonic oral irrigator. Portable ones, coz no AC points. Both are absolutely fine....
Choosing Waterpik might have a slight advantage as you can additionally get the waterpik pick pocket attachment, that one penetrates slightly deeper than the normal jet pic (default one that all flossers come with). That waterpik attachment penetrates like 6-7mm, vs 3-4mm for the normal jet attachment.
If you have a problem area or serious hygiene issues like severe gingivitis that demands deeper cleaner, you might wanna go for Waterpik brand so that you can also buy the pickpocket attahment.

One pax in this thread had severe gingivitis with peridontal pockets (pockets in the gum below the gumline that can trap stuff and harbour bacteria, gums all red and swollen) that were 10mm deep. Quite severe. Need both professional dental help + constant home cleansing regime, (dentist/specialist can only do so much) so the pick pocket helps for him.


One "small" issue is that you'd need to use quality NiMH batteries and not Alkaline batts. The power draw (current) of the device is quite high, Alkaline is unable to provide that kind of current. There is a marked difference in power/speed of the pump when using NiMH vs fresh Alkalines (regardless of Alkaline batt brand).

Quality NiMH meaning any Eneloop, Eveready, Rayovac etc that you get locally or from Amazon is fine. But if you already have some tiong NiMH gotten from Taobao then that's somewhat fine too....just use.


Two things to note is that initially your gums would bleed heckloads, not the device issue but is the poor gums health issue. Give it 2-3 weeks, you'd need the gums to heal. Some pax stop using it after 2 days and declare the flosser as useless, when it's the gum problem.
Second thing to note is that there is a learning curve on how to use the flosser or else water might splash all over the place, check youtube for that, lots of videos there.
 
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I tried a combination (electric toothbrush, water floss and string floss) and string floss was the most effective, even water floss can't flush out the excess food stuck in between the gums and corners.

I didn't use string floss and replaced it with water floss, got feedback from dentist that there are tartar growing in between gums, revert back to using string floss again.
 

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Dumb question, do we need to move our hands in up down motion like we do for normal toothbrush or can we just let it autopilot
 

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Dumb question, do we need to move our hands in up down motion like we do for normal toothbrush or can we just let it autopilot

still move your hands as the normal toothbrush, but you don't need to worry about which tooth is not as clean as the other cos' the bristles' motion are all of the same power.
 

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Cold Storage finally import the Oral B 2000 version 2. Can stock up on Cold Storage vouchers and buy liao

$149
 

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Anyone got video link on how to "correctly" brush with electric toothbrush? Like those animated ones that shows the insides
 

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Cold Storage finally import the Oral B 2000 version 2. Can stock up on Cold Storage vouchers and buy liao

$149

If normal toothbrush cost $5, meaning can buy about 30 toothbrushes
If use 3 toothbrushes a year , can use for 10 years
Electric toothbrush really good ah
 

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Anyone got video link on how to "correctly" brush with electric toothbrush? Like those animated ones that shows the insides


If normal toothbrush cost $5, meaning can buy about 30 toothbrushes
If use 3 toothbrushes a year , can use for 10 years
Electric toothbrush really good ah
Normal toothbrush works well if you have good brushing technique. I don't, so electric toothbrush helps. :s13:
 
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