Core Frequency VS Core Count for Gaming Today

[elmariachi]

Guys,

I am just curious now that I have played Battlefield 5 for almost 3 days now and I have been tracking the performance of the game with my hardware. For the first time, I am seeing 70-80% consistent CPU usage with my GPU almost always at 99% usage during gaming. Performance wise I am getting around 90fps with some scenes dropping down to 70fps but pretty ok smooth with G-sync plus the new nvidia drivers 399.24 makes alot of difference in Battlefield 5. Running on ULTRA settings.

Now my question is since I am getting very high CPU usage in Battlefield 5, is it a sign that my platform is now struggling against newer titles that probably need more cores? I mean every other game I have played on my setup works really smooth just that Battlefield 5 seems to be using a heck lot more CPU usage I am beginning to wonder if changing my CPU is a better option or do you think changing GPU is a better solution for my setup?

I game 3440x1440 @ 120Hz. Any advise would be great!

Thanks mates!!!

 

[royfrosty]

Its nothing. Just use till it goes really bad like 100% on all cores and 80% gpu usage. Then that is bad.

On another thing, bfv may not be optimise at start. Normally games like this takes time to be optimised, give them a couple of major patch, hardware resources required will slowly go down.

Just the same like how all their previous bf series.

 

[xonix]

Looks okay to me... maybe you might wish to consider a 6 core or higher CPU for your next build. Some new games like BFV does support more cores compared to other games.

 

[elmariachi]

Its nothing. Just use till it goes really bad like 100% on all cores and 80% gpu usage. Then that is bad.

On another thing, bfv may not be optimise at start. Normally games like this takes time to be optimised, give them a couple of major patch, hardware resources required will slowly go down.

Just the same like how all their previous bf series.

I never really got into BF untill BFV recently cause I got sick of Battlefront 2. But BFV seems alot more harder on the CPU. Yeah I am also looking for them to optimize the game as I still feel my platform is okay but some people are saying the game lags on 4 cores which to me I find it abit untrue cause I am not getting stuttering and CPU usage > 90%. I do know running on DX12 sucks still has stutters even on Battlefront 2. So I hope Raytracing on DX12 will be fixed if stutter is still a major issue. I heard even Raytracing can work on Vulkan but Frostbite games are all DX based.

Looks okay to me... maybe you might wish to consider a 6 core or higher CPU for your next build. Some new games like BFV does support more cores compared to other games.

Yeah definitely actually looking at the 9700k which would suit my gaming. But it is still essentially a glorified Skylake...

 

[-Grift-]

BFV using all 16 threads on my 2700x

 

[elmariachi]

BFV using all 16 threads on my 2700x

Wow very nice distribution of load on all the 8/16 core/logical CPUS.

 

[-Grift-]

Wow very nice distribution of load on all the 8/16 core/logical CPUS.

BF4 was already using 9 threads albeit less evenly spread than this

 

[Encrypted11]

U must cc guru hlots!

U will feel honoured when he login to reply u and logout

 

[elmariachi]

BF4 was already using 9 threads albeit less evenly spread than this

Battlefront 2 also high but like 60-70%. First BF game I actually got into in BFV and that like 70-80% consistent CPU load! I'll wait for the game to release and then decide. I think my platform still has some juice left.

 

[LiLAsN]

Guys,

I am just curious now that I have played Battlefield 5 for almost 3 days now and I have been tracking the performance of the game with my hardware. For the first time, I am seeing 70-80% consistent CPU usage with my GPU almost always at 99% usage during gaming. Performance wise I am getting around 90fps with some scenes dropping down to 70fps but pretty damn smooth with G-sync plus the new nvidia drivers 399.24 makes alot of difference in Battlefield 5. Running on ULTRA settings.

Now my question is since I am getting very high CPU usage in Battlefield 5, is it a sign that my platform is now struggling against newer titles that probably need more cores? I mean every other game I have played on my setup works really smooth just that Battlefield 5 seems to be using a heck lot more CPU usage I am beginning to wonder if changing my CPU is a better option or do you think changing GPU is a better solution for my setup?

I game 3440x1440 @ 120Hz. Any advise would be great!

Thanks mates!!!

Depending on what CPU and GPU you have, you may be bottlenecked but one or the other. My 1080 Ti, like yours is also bottlenecked by the i7 6700K.

I watched their comparison between 6700K and 7700K before and also another video between the 7700K and the 8700K. The trend does seem to be going upwards.

This video explains it very well on whether you will see any benefits from the high core count along with high clock speeds on all cores. And a prediction on where the i9 9900K might land.

Not all games utilize more cores so base your decision on the games that YOU play. Like for me, Witcher 3 is the kind of game that I play and look at the improvement on that game. So similarly, if you play Division, then consider it based on the non-improvements that you see on that game instead.

Am also currently considering a CPU upgrade but am thinking whether to wait it out next year on a true new gen architecture from Intel or just buy a 9th gen when it comes out instead. It all really depends on the benefits along with thermal management based on this done to death architecture.

 

[elmariachi]

U must cc guru hlots!

U will feel honoured when he login to reply u and logout

hlots is like LHL. Only sneak preview. But I think my platform is already maxed out since 2015. I do agree and accept most newer games does a way better job of using more cores to smoothen out gameplay.

Depending on what CPU and GPU you have, you may be bottlenecked but one or the other. My 1080 Ti, like yours is also bottlenecked by the i7 6700K.

I watched their comparison between 6700K and 7700K before and also another video between the 7700K and the 8700K. The trend does seem to be going upwards.

This video explains it very well on whether you will see any benefits from the high core count along with high clock speeds on all cores. And a prediction on where the i9 9900K might land.

Wow that is really some help. I mean mine is 4/8 and even that seems to be really at the limit only during BFV. So I think the time has come.

 

[d3adc3II]

Guys,

I am just curious now that I have played Battlefield 5 for almost 3 days now and I have been tracking the performance of the game with my hardware. For the first time, I am seeing 70-80% consistent CPU usage with my GPU almost always at 99% usage during gaming. Performance wise I am getting around 90fps with some scenes dropping down to 70fps but pretty damn smooth with G-sync plus the new nvidia drivers 399.24 makes alot of difference in Battlefield 5. Running on ULTRA settings.

Now my question is since I am getting very high CPU usage in Battlefield 5, is it a sign that my platform is now struggling against newer titles that probably need more cores? I mean every other game I have played on my setup works really smooth just that Battlefield 5 seems to be using a heck lot more CPU usage I am beginning to wonder if changing my CPU is a better option or do you think changing GPU is a better solution for my setup?

I game 3440x1440 @ 120Hz. Any advise would be great!

Thanks mates!!!

Short answer: High frequency still has the advantage. BF is a rare game that can utilize all cpu cores. I cant say the same thing for other games.

But minimum 6 cores CPU should be the standard for modern games. And you should spend more on GPU side because GPU is more important in gaming.

 

[ZrE0_Cha0s]

U can look for hardware unboxed videos on their beta testing on BF5. They have mentioned that game is best played on DX11 with higher core count to have a smoother gameplay.

 

[elmariachi]

Short answer: High frequency still has the advantage. BF is a rare game that can utilize all cpu cores. I cant say the same thing for other games.

But minimum 6 cores CPU should be the standard for modern games. And you should spend more on GPU side because GPU is more important in gaming.

U can look for hardware unboxed videos on their beta testing on BF5. They have mentioned that game is best played on DX11 with higher core count to have a smoother gameplay.

Yes I read alot of comments on reddit and BF forums that many with even the 6700k had stuttering issues on their setup. For me maybe I was not so affected cause I play at 1440p but even then I do not consider it smooth. My smooth is what Battlefront 2 performs on my PC. Really competition grade smooth. I am abit peeved off BF is smooth but at times it just can't smoothen out over taxing scenes. Then again BF5 is running on a more sophisticated and newer version of the Frostbite 3 engine compared to Frostbite 2 in Battlefront 2. So can't really compare.

My dilemma is actually keeping the 1080 Ti and getting the 9700k or get the 2080 Ti and keep the 6700k. I don't intend to do 4k gaming anytime soon and I will only play at 3440x1400 120hz with the highest frames possible while being smooth.

So it really appears to me that the 9700k upgrade is imminent and that the 1080 Ti is still good for my resolution since I am already in the 70-90s FPS range and I do not fancy all this Raytracing for the main reason that it needs to use DX12. And DX12 is still in its diapers. It stutters like mad and it will take a long while before developers get it right. And I am not prepared to go back down to 1080p gaming for the sake of that.

So yeah decisions decisions...

 

[Encrypted11]

hlots is like LHL. Only sneak preview. But I think my platform is already maxed out since 2015. I do agree and accept most newer games does a way better job of using more cores to smoothen out gameplay.

There's actually more to be had in the same platform from memory tuning, esp for more sensitive titles (memory latency) like the witcher to improve the consistency on edge cases and memory bound cases.

If you're on good b-dies, actually there's alot of timing margin to be had (raja@asus profiles). Looking forward proper mem tuning will be more impt on the 8 core to max it out, reasons in the ex intel principal engineer's comments i sic'd u awhile ago I believe.


Think bizgram going to drink kopi

Spoiler

https://twitter.com/momomo_us/status/1039494231058931712

 

[elmariachi]

Short answer: High frequency still has the advantage. BF is a rare game that can utilize all cpu cores. I cant say the same thing for other games.

But minimum 6 cores CPU should be the standard for modern games. And you should spend more on GPU side because GPU is more important in gaming.

There's actually more to be had in the same platform from memory tuning, esp for more sensitive titles (memory latency) like the witcher to improve the consistency on edge cases and memory bound cases.

If you're on good b-dies, actually there's alot of timing margin to be had (raja@asus profiles). Looking forward proper mem tuning will be more impt on the 8 core to max it out, reasons in the ex intel principal engineer's comments i sic'd u awhile ago I believe.


Think bizgram going to drink kopi

Spoiler

https://twitter.com/momomo_us/status/1039494231058931712

I am on Corsair 3466Mhz I believe they are B-dies too. But I am a total noob on memory overclocking plus the Z170 sucks for higher memory frequencies and tightening it is alien to me as I am not guru like you or hlots. I still think there won't be much difference in BF5 with pushing my memory. It is more dependent on higher core count. Plus Battlefront 2 runs perfectly for me especially when I have clan competitions. It just is so smooth and no lag. So it is definitely the game itself that is demanding the power from the CPU with higher core count. Question is will I dwelve really into BF5 is another thing altogether that warrants my platform upgrade.

 

[Ferolare]

your cpu is never struggling until it hits 100% usage on a consistent basis and your 1% and .1% frametime go to the gutter

 

[Cryogenist]

Not sure in this BFV Beta, was Denuvo already running.

In BF1, the Denuvo literally makes any old i5 systems unplayable. Serious CPU bottleneck on 4c4t.

I had to upgrade to 2700X.

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[elmariachi]

Not sure in this BFV Beta, was Denuvo already running.

In BF1, the Denuvo literally makes any old i5 systems unplayable. Serious CPU bottleneck on 4c4t.

I had to upgrade to 2700X.

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i5 systems are definitely gonna be a problem for BF5. But I think even the older i7s will start to show its age sooner or later and the other 4 extra threads are logical. I doubt i7 6700k like mine would be able to see the day and light for the next wave of new generation games.

 

[timpeh82]

i5 systems are definitely gonna be a problem for BF5. But I think even the older i7s will start to show its age sooner or later and the other 4 extra threads are logical. I doubt i7 6700k like mine would be able to see the day and light for the next wave of new generation games.

If i9-9900k is $666 as shown in other thread
Can consider upgrade