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But you're not buying U.S. dollars, or British pounds. That's just a means to an end, the currencies that particular investment happens to be quoted in. You're taking a risk, but it's a global stock index risk, not a currency risk.

Hahaha...pray you didn't half vomit blood trying to coach me.

I am still in my mindset of the ETF risk is the primary risk (that is worth taking over a long term) while the currency risk is the 'secondary' inherent risk the moment I change my SGD into USD, and that the upside advantage of the ETF anytime outweighs the USD/SGD currency risk.

Never easy for an old dog to learn new tricks and so will take my time to 'reconcile' (there must be a valid reason why you are taking your time to try to explain your point).

Many many thanks!!
 

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Hahaha...pray you didn't half vomit blood trying to coach me.

I am still in my mindset of the ETF risk is the primary risk (that is worth taking over a long term) while the currency risk is the 'secondary' inherent risk the moment I change my SGD into USD, and that the upside advantage of the ETF anytime outweighs the USD/SGD currency risk.
No, it's OK. This is a common question.

Imagine you're a U.S. investor living in the United States, earning and spending U.S. dollars. Leaving aside the fact that you wouldn't/shouldn't shop in London for your stock funds, imagine you buy SWDA, which is exactly the same fund as IWDA, except it's quoted in British pounds.

Did you take British pound currency risk? Nope. You assumed global stock risk, not any particular currency risk. You reduced your exposure to U.S. dollars, because you have fewer of them after buying SWDA, which happens to be quoted in British pounds in any moment. Those global stocks can move "away" or "toward" your particular preferred currency just as much as away/toward any other quality currency. It's the same thing from your point of view. (*IF* after 30 years SWDA appreciates at 5% per year but the British pound becomes weaker relative to the U.S. dollar, your average annual return expressed back in U.S. dollars will be less than 5%. Same thing.) And yes, true, you, as a U.S. investor in the U.S., live in a bigger economy and bigger currency zone, with more business activity and more economic might in the world, so what happens in the U.S. affects the rest of the world -- and the almighty U.S. dollar can do a lot of shopping at relatively steady or at least predictable prices -- but the majority of business activity that those real businesses in SWDA/IWDA undertake is outside the United States.
 

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Shop A sells gold bar in US$
Shop B sells gold bar in S$

Whether you buy the gold bar from Shop A or Shop B, it doesn't matter where 'currency risk' is concerned. You pay using the currency most convenient to you.

5 years later, when you want to sell your gold bar, you will get the same amount for the gold bar, whether you bought it in US$ or S$.
 

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Shop A sells gold bar in US$
Shop B sells gold bar in S$

Whether you buy the gold bar from Shop A or Shop B, it doesn't matter where 'currency risk' is concerned. You pay using the currency most convenient to you.

5 years later, when you want to sell your gold bar, you will get the same amount for the gold bar, whether you bought it in US$ or S$.

Thanks for chipping in.

My sister has an AIA insurance policy denominated in USD, annual premium, bought from rate at 1.7+++ many years ago. Every year, she would have to go money changer to change her SGD into USD to pay her premium.

As years go by, USD keeps dropping but I guess for her case is OK coz she could cost average along the 20+ years. If she has dumped in one shot USD 1 million equivalent of SGD 20+ years ago at rate 1.7+++, then her story maybe different today with current rate at about 1.36 (exchange loss of S$340,000 based on principal if original conversion rate at 1.7000) - this is the 'currency' inherent risk behind my mind (remember her policy has a 'projected' annualized return of about 8%. Unsure of the policy's actual performance.)


*When I was studying in the US 30+ years ago, the USD/SGD rate was at about 2ish.
 
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My sister has an AIA insurance policy denominated in USD, annual premium, bought from rate at 1.7+++ many years ago. Every year, she would have to go money changer to change her SGD into USD to pay her premium.
Yes, and an insurance policy denominated in a specific currency (premiums, potential payouts) is a bet on that specific currency. Also on the insurance product itself, but definitely on the specific currency. I'm talking about real, simple insurance products at least, not investment products sold by insurance companies.

There are some things you can buy that are currencies or currency proxies, and thus currency bets. The currency itself (cash), bonds denominated in that currency, insurance products denominated in that currency, real estate within that currency zone (is heavily correlated to the currency), Bollywood memorabilia (probably mostly of interest to buyers in India, who prefer to pay in Indian rupees, so heavily correlated to rupees), currency options and futures, tranches of mortgages or loans in a particular currency, Amazon gift cards in a particular currency...anything that's cash, cash-like, or inherently local (within a currency zone, such as a Singapore COE or HDB leasehold) rather than global.

Know what you're buying, basically.

When I was studying in the US 30+ years ago, the USD/SGD rate was at about 2ish.
OK, so let's suppose you pushed S$200,000 into a low cost U.S. S&P 500 stock index fund back in January, 1989. That would have been US$100,000. Excluding dividends, and factoring in the small management fee and tracking error, you'd have a little over US$900,000 today it looks like. Let's round that down to exactly US$900,000. Convert that back to Singapore dollars at 1.365 (let's suppose) and you'd have S$1.23 million, about six times as many Singapore dollars as you put in.

I think you'd be pretty happy with that result, right? And I haven't even included the dividends, which are huge, even after either 30% or 15% dividend tax withholding. (Dividends are tougher to calculate net of taxes across 30+ years, so we'll just ignore them for this little exercise. But I'm being very, very unflattering to the stock investing in this exercise without including dividends -- they're huge over 30+ years reinvested.)

Of course there was some Singapore dollar inflation over that time period, so let's adjust for that. I'm going to use SingStat's CPI calculator, "all" goods and services, 1988 to 2018. (They only have an annualized calculator, but that's close enough for these purposes.) According to the calculator, to get the same purchasing power that you had in 1988 with S$200,000, today (2018) you would need S$335,428.... But you have about S$1.23 million. Not even counting the dividends. Still happy, very happy!

"Past performance is not indicative of future results."
 
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"Past performance is not indicative of future results."


Ok, now finally I managed to 'reconcile' the info. So I shall continue to major on the major (sorting out most of my funds in Spore, learning about IB platform, allocating into the various ETFs, etc). After all these are settled, then perhaps I will go into the 'minor' to study the feasibility / cost of hedging about half of my USD.

Benefited from the exchange. Thanks thanks!
 

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Hi guys.
IB trading layout is very complicated.
How do u guys arrange your IB trading layout?
Can screenshot , remove ur details and upload the layout?
 

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Hi guys.
IB trading layout is very complicated.
How do u guys arrange your IB trading layout?
Can screenshot , remove ur details and upload the layout?
I'm not a power user. I just use the app which is far simpler

Sent from Samsung SM-G960F using GAGT
 

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Wow.... still safe to use them?
As the article itself indicates, IB has absolutely no difficulty covering this particular loss, which is quite tiny relative to what they do. Presumably IB will tighten their margin collateral requirements, if they haven't already done so.
 

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Wow.... still safe to use them? I’m in the midst of sign up with them

Yes. Brokers take these losses all the time, and IBKR has plenty of capital to cover these losses (IBKR took a much bigger bath on the Asiasons/Liongold implosion and they sailed through it just fine).
 

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Anyone done a GIRO transfer to IBKR before? I somehow sent a GIRO payment to the citibank account instead of a fast transfer and I'm wondering if that will constitute a problem other than the funds being transferred a few days late.
 

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i just set up an IB account. trying to fund it.
which one should we use?
- Connect your Bank Account
- wire funds.

i tried to use the first option. but cant seem to find DBS.
i already have USD in DBS, so intend to use DBS remit to transfer USD to IB's USD account.

has anyone done it?
 

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I somehow sent a GIRO payment to the citibank account instead of a fast transfer and I'm wondering if that will constitute a problem other than the funds being transferred a few days late.
No problem. Some banks in Singapore don’t support FAST yet anyway.

i just set up an IB account. trying to fund it.
which one should we use?
- wire funds.
Yes, wire funds. You’re trying to send U.S. dollars internationally, so that’s the answer.
 

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IBKR transaction cost

Hi

Using IBKR.

Will the transaction cost be deducted from our cash account once the transaction is done in forex & stock or it will accumulate till end of month before deducting that sum from the cash account?


I'm new to IBKR.
 

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Hi

Using IBKR.

Will the transaction cost be deducted from our cash account once the transaction is done in forex & stock or it will accumulate till end of month before deducting that sum from the cash account?


I'm new to IBKR.

good question..
say i fund 1000USD into the account, and use the fx to change to SGD and withdraw it immediately.
when is the $10 deducted?
 
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margin trading on Interactive Brokers

how does margin trading works on IB?

there are some stocks that I like to buy w a short term hodl on it, 3-6 months, is that a bad idea to do on margin trading?

how much does it costs to hodl for a monthly basis on margin trading, where assuming after I buy, the price slide more... downwards, of course.
 

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I am about to complete three months with Interactive Brokers. Is there a place where one can check on date from when 10$ commission will be charged for inactivity?
 
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