*Official* Shiny Things club - Part 2

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makav31i

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People around us may not necessarily be more knowledgeable than "strangers" in this thread. I find these forums useful.

Participating in this thread is a good start, but one needs to evaluate the opinions received, read books for complete understanding of various concepts, do more research, and form one's own opinion. I suggest reading books written by ST (quick start for a Singapore investor) and also John C. Bogle (understanding of concepts).

The problem is people here can keep giving suggestions such as using POSB IS for investing below $1k and using SCB for anything above $1k based on outdated information like it is the absolute truth...

POSB Invest Saver charges 0.82% so if you invest $1,200 monthly, your fees is $9.84...You need to invest in multiples of $100 so if you hit $1,300 and not $1,000 like what some people here like to keep regurgitating here is the amount before SCB which charges minimum $10 is attractive...

At $10 between SCB custodian or DBS Vickers Cash Upfront into CDP, it really depends if you want to hit Priority Clients with SCB as you can purchase ES3/G3B, MBH and IWDA+EIMI/VWRD/VWRA or you want your ES3/G3B and MBH in your CDP (DBS Vickers Cash Upfront) and buy IWDA+EIMI/VWRD/VWRA using IB if you think you can hit US$100k with IB faster...SCB should be easier to hit Priority Clients as you can have your savings, your SGX investments and your Irish-domicilled ETF all-in-one...

Right now, FSM RSP into ES3 or G3B or MBH is 0.08% or minimum $1 + 0.0325% SGX Clearing Fees and 7% GST on the fees...So you can invest up to $8,300/month before it is cheaper to buy using DBS Cash Upfront or SCB...This is for SGX listed ETF...

I have no problem with Shiny_Things book and I think it is a good book, but his fanbois here are the extreme kind who keep regurgitating outdated information which may not be true...

If I recall correctly, Shiny even mentioned here in this forum before that if you insist on cherry picking individual stocks to keep it to maximum 5% of your portfolio...His fanbois here insist on 3 Fund portfolio as the only solution...

His book like any other book should be just used as a guide and not the only investment solution... People should use their own critical thinking and decide if they want to follow certain investment strategy or not...
 

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I tried to reason with a particular fanboy/girl/it...and gave up.

Didn't want my blood pressure to go up whahhahaha.
 

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I tried to reason with a particular fanboy/girl/it...and gave up.

Didn't want my blood pressure to go up whahhahaha.

This thread is his fan club what hahaha.

But yes, make your own financial decisions. If you get decision paralysis, either stick with the standard 3 fund portfolio or go for robos instead.
 

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Well said indeed!

The problem is people here can keep giving suggestions such as using POSB IS for investing below $1k and using SCB for anything above $1k based on outdated information like it is the absolute truth...

POSB Invest Saver charges 0.82% so if you invest $1,200 monthly, your fees is $9.84...You need to invest in multiples of $100 so if you hit $1,300 and not $1,000 like what some people here like to keep regurgitating here is the amount before SCB which charges minimum $10 is attractive...

At $10 between SCB custodian or DBS Vickers Cash Upfront into CDP, it really depends if you want to hit Priority Clients with SCB as you can purchase ES3/G3B, MBH and IWDA+EIMI/VWRD/VWRA or you want your ES3/G3B and MBH in your CDP (DBS Vickers Cash Upfront) and buy IWDA+EIMI/VWRD/VWRA using IB if you think you can hit US$100k with IB faster...SCB should be easier to hit Priority Clients as you can have your savings, your SGX investments and your Irish-domicilled ETF all-in-one...

Right now, FSM RSP into ES3 or G3B or MBH is 0.08% or minimum $1 + 0.0325% SGX Clearing Fees and 7% GST on the fees...So you can invest up to $8,300/month before it is cheaper to buy using DBS Cash Upfront or SCB...This is for SGX listed ETF...

I have no problem with Shiny_Things book and I think it is a good book, but his fanbois here are the extreme kind who keep regurgitating outdated information which may not be true...

If I recall correctly, Shiny even mentioned here in this forum before that if you insist on cherry picking individual stocks to keep it to maximum 5% of your portfolio...His fanbois here insist on 3 Fund portfolio as the only solution...

His book like any other book should be just used as a guide and not the only investment solution... People should use their own critical thinking and decide if they want to follow certain investment strategy or not...
 

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Endowus for international Bond exposure

Hi, after reading this thread(3/4 ways through!) I've already opened an IBKR account and bought my first VWRA shares today. I've been spending $900/mth on STI ETF over the last 5-6 years and have already puased on that as I look to shore up my VWRA side of things.

On Bonds, I'm thinking of putting $300/mth in MBH and $100 in Endowus 100% bonds portfolio. All the funds are SGD hedged. Yes I am aware of the high fees but annualised performance since inception in 2003 has been 5.85% which is not bad I believe for bonds. At least that gives me a small exposure to the international bond markets while remaining SGD hedged.

Thoughts?

Thanks ST and BBCWatcher for all your contributions and patience in responding to replies. Appreciate it!
 

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Hi, after reading this thread(3/4 ways through!) I've already opened an IBKR account and bought my first VWRA shares today. I've been spending $900/mth on STI ETF over the last 5-6 years and have already puased on that as I look to shore up my VWRA side of things.

On Bonds, I'm thinking of putting $300/mth in MBH and $100 in Endowus 100% bonds portfolio. All the funds are SGD hedged. Yes I am aware of the high fees but annualised performance since inception in 2003 has been 5.85% which is not bad I believe for bonds. At least that gives me a small exposure to the international bond markets while remaining SGD hedged.

Thoughts?

Thanks ST and BBCWatcher for all your contributions and patience in responding to replies. Appreciate it!
Have you ever thought of treating ur cpf as the bond portion of your portfolio? That way, more cash can be freed up to buy more vwra

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If i want a usa etf that gives dividends back to me , which is similar to iwda (just that iwda is accumulative), which etf is best? vwrd good?
 

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Not sure if it has been asked before... I'm in my late 20s. I have allocated around 70% of my investment in G3B/ES3 and then 30% in IWDA.

Just want to check what is the general consensus around the ratio of SG index vs World index?

I feel that since we are working in singapore + cpf is a bet on sg's economy. We should diversify and allocate more % in World index rather than overcompensate in sg index. Furthermore G3B/ES3 blue chip stocks seems to be too heavily weighted in REITs and Banks, which are sectors that are generally hit pretty hard during a down turn
 
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Not sure if it has been asked before... I'm in my late 20s. I have allocated around 70% of my investment in G3B/ES3 and then 30% in IWDA.

Just want to check what is the general consensus around the ratio of SG index vs World index?

I feel that since we are working in singapore + cpf is a bet on sg's economy. We should diversify and allocate more % in World index rather than overcompensate in sg index. Furthermore G3B/ES3 blue chip stocks seems to be too heavily weighted in REITs and Banks, which are sectors that are generally hit pretty hard during a down turn

I dun have any money in ES3 because the singapore market is tiny and like what you said, very heavy on banks and reits. The main reason people give for investing in ES3 is currency stability and hedging against local cost of living, I dun buy those arguments because betting 70% of your money on 1 country carries risk as well, any country's economy and its currency can crash and burn, Singapore included.
 

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Not sure if it has been asked before... I'm in my late 20s. I have allocated around 70% of my investment in G3B/ES3 and then 30% in IWDA.

Just want to check what is the general consensus around the ratio of SG index vs World index?

I feel that since we are working in singapore + cpf is a bet on sg's economy. We should diversify and allocate more % in World index rather than overcompensate in sg index. Furthermore G3B/ES3 blue chip stocks seems to be too heavily weighted in REITs and Banks, which are sectors that are generally hit pretty hard during a down turn

there is no general consensus around the actual ratio, but it is recommended in general to have a higher allocation to IWDA than STI, since buying STI means you are overweighting the market of a small country in south east asia.

personally i'm about 70% IWDA 30% ES3
 

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Hi, after reading this thread(3/4 ways through!) I've already opened an IBKR account and bought my first VWRA shares today. I've been spending $900/mth on STI ETF over the last 5-6 years and have already puased on that as I look to shore up my VWRA side of things.

On Bonds, I'm thinking of putting $300/mth in MBH and $100 in Endowus 100% bonds portfolio. All the funds are SGD hedged. Yes I am aware of the high fees but annualised performance since inception in 2003 has been 5.85% which is not bad I believe for bonds. At least that gives me a small exposure to the international bond markets while remaining SGD hedged.

My personal recommendation would to concentrate fully on bringing your VWRA up to US$100k AUM as soon as possible to get rid of the IBKR minimum commission, before considering bonds and STI ETF again.

PIMCO funds gets discussed from time to time. On one hand, it has had excellent past performance. On the other hand, the current weighted average YTM is pretty darn low compared to past performance so one can be skeptical about future performances. LQDE seems to be outperforming these funds (perhaps due to the much lower fees), but doesn't come hedged.

where is the best place to purchase kospi etf? is it also those domiciled in ireland?

https://www.ishares.com/ch/institutional/en/products/251871/ishares-msci-korea-ucits-etf-inc-fund should be close enough

If i want a usa etf that gives dividends back to me , which is similar to iwda (just that iwda is accumulative), which etf is best? vwrd good?

Yes, I don't really see any option other than VWRD.

Just want to check what is the general consensus around the ratio of SG index vs World index?

No real consensus. ST recommends 50-50. BBCW recommends 80-20 world-sg then slide the other way while approaching retirement. Some people even go for 100-0 (good idea if you want to hit US$100k under IBKR before starting on SG).
 

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where can i see history of vwrd dividends? each year whats the dividend payout percentage?

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/quote/VWRD.L/history?period1=1337644800&period2=1582761600&interval=div%7Csplit&filter=div&frequency=1d

Dividend yield is 2.4% according to the fund fact sheet https://americas.vanguard.com/institutional/mvc/loadImage?country=BS&docId=19622
 

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If i want a usa etf that gives dividends back to me , which is similar to iwda (just that iwda is accumulative), which etf is best? vwrd good?

IWDA (at 0.20) tracks only developed markets.

VWRD (at 0.22) tracks developed and emerging markets. If that's what you want, it works fine.

If you want a distributive etf that tracks developed markets without the emerging (ie. Closer to IWDA), you can try VDEV (0.12).

VDEV is almost identical to IWDA, and is cheaper.
 

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I feel that since we are working in singapore + cpf is a bet on sg's economy. We should diversify and allocate more % in World index rather than overcompensate in sg index. Furthermore G3B/ES3 blue chip stocks seems to be too heavily weighted in REITs and Banks, which are sectors that are generally hit pretty hard during a down turn

You're not alone in this thinking.
The only reason I can think of to hold ES3 is if you recognise it has underperformed for the past 10 years and are betting for a 'reversion to the mean' for the next ten.

Mind you, the underperformance is not the reason for not holding it. That bit has been adequately explained by you.

The 3 fund is not some investing law. Many people go for 2 or even 1 fund. Many non-US persons decide as you have, that the domestic stock market isn't worth overweighting, and so just focus on the global. It's fine.
 

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On a totally different note: let’s get away from using “it” as a pronoun for people. “They/them” is a great gender-neutral pronoun if you don’t know who’s behind a screen-name.

Hi, other than investing in IWDA, can we buy individual stocks like disney for a long term perspective?

So here's the thing: I strongly discourage new investors from buying individual stocks, for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, successfully stock-picking takes a lot of work! It’s literally a full-time job for tens of thousands of people, who spend their day trying to pick stocks that will go up more than the rest of the market.

Thinking about which stocks to buy, instead of just buying a broad ETF, means you’re making investing way more complicated than it needs to be.

Secondly, most people (especially new investors) are terrible at trading individual stocks. They buy stocks at the highs (everyone wants to jump on a rocket ship!) and sell stocks after they’ve crashed, because they want the pain to stop. That leads to buying high and selling low, and doing worse than they would if they’d just left the money alone in an ETF.

Not sure if it has been asked before... I'm in my late 20s. I have allocated around 70% of my investment in G3B/ES3 and then 30% in IWDA.

Just want to check what is the general consensus around the ratio of SG index vs World index?

You need some of each, and I think you need more IWDA and less Singapore.

I like 50/50 because it’s super easy. Other people like a heavier 80/20 weight.

On Bonds, I'm thinking of putting $300/mth in MBH and $100 in Endowus 100% bonds portfolio. All the funds are SGD hedged. Yes I am aware of the high fees but annualised performance since inception in 2003 has been 5.85% which is not bad I believe for bonds. At least that gives me a small exposure to the international bond markets while remaining SGD hedged.

I don't think there's any good reason for regular investors to have exposure to foreign-currency bonds, and even less reason to buy hedged foreign-currency bonds.

Here’s a dirty secret that you wouldn’t know unless you’ve traded FX or fixed-income for a long time: a USD bond that’s been currency-hedged into SGD is basically exactly the same as a SGD bond.

You might as well just buy a SGD bond in the first place. (In fact, for weird FX-market-structural reasons, a USD bond hedged back to SGD is currently worse—has a lower yield—than a native SGD bond with the same credit risk! Why bother?)

Some people need the reaffirmation to make financial decisions in life like asking a stranger on the internet..

Hey, this is actually a valid point. The reason I wrote the book in the first place is that the hardest part of investing is just getting started.

Having someone tell you "here's how to get started"—whether that someone is a book or a rando mouthy ang-moh on the internet—gets people through the hardest part. And if they start off on the right foot—using a simple, easy, portfolio and a set of rules to follow—then they can expand from there later.

Thank you all for your reply to my questions. Need a bit of time to digest.

Re Saxo, i finally managed to speak to the customer service, confirmed that there is no custody fees for local stocks and the buying fees is 0.08%, min SGD10 (home.saxo/en-sg/rates-and-conditions/etf/commissions).
This is very good rate, no?
Nah. $10 a trade for local stocks is pretty much the average these days. It's nothing special. (And Saxo is bad for overseas stocks.)

Basically I don't want to encourage them.

If i want a usa etf that gives dividends back to me , which is similar to iwda (just that iwda is accumulative), which etf is best? vwrd good?

Uh. IWDA’s not a US ETF; it’s a “global developed markets” ETF.

If you want a global-markets ETF, including emerging markets, use VWRD UK.
If you want a “global developed markets” ETF, a direct match to IWDA: use VEVE UK.
If you want a US ETF, use VUSA UK.

where is the best place to purchase kospi etf? is it also those domiciled in ireland?

Huh. That’s a bit of an odd one, but… If you’ve got access to Kospi futures, go for those. The Kospi derivatives market is the most liquid equity derivs market in the world.

There are Kospi ETFs out there, but all of them are unappealing for various reasons; 3170 HK is tiny and illiquid; EWY US is expensive (0.6%) and the divs might be subject to some unfavorable tax treatment because it’s US-listed.
 

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Hey, this is actually a valid point. The reason I wrote the book in the first place is that the hardest part of investing is just getting started.

Having someone tell you "here's how to get started"—whether that someone is a book or a rando mouthy ang-moh on the internet—gets people through the hardest part. And if they start off on the right foot—using a simple, easy, portfolio and a set of rules to follow—then they can expand from there later.

Like you say someone wanted to expand from there...If someone is already following the 3-fund portfolio which form the core of their investment, I don't see anything wrong if they wanted to buy any individual stocks for whatever reason so long as it is a small portion of around maximum 5% of their total portfolio size...The problem is your most ardent fans here only insisted that it is only 3-fund portfolio discussion here...

Like I said, some of your extreme fans even regurgitate old and outdated information which may or may not be true anymore... Especially with regards to brokers, buying monthly and etc...

Edit: I don't even know why you want to brought up on the "ang-moh" part when this have nothing to do with race, nationality, religion or gender for that matter...
 
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