Official Shiny Things thread—Part III

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(No, there aren't. Honestly, what are you expecting to find? CSPX has a 7bps expense ratio and it gets the divvy tax dodge. That's already pretty great, as far as SPX index funds go (and you know my view on overweighting individual countries, you're just hopping on the speeding train of FAANG momentum and hoping it doesn't derail)

Thanks, I been tracking it agst the underlying SP500 on tradingview.com & it looks like its outperforming it! I'm thinking of buying this and IWDA from SCB but undecided on SGX individual stocks, reits or etfs and reits etfs. Any recommendations to complete my portfolio?
 

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(No, there aren't. Honestly, what are you expecting to find? CSPX has a 7bps expense ratio and it gets the divvy tax dodge. That's already pretty great, as far as SPX index funds go (and you know my view on overweighting individual countries, you're just hopping on the speeding train of FAANG momentum and hoping it doesn't derail)

Thanks, I been tracking it agst the underlying SP500 on tradingview.com & it looks like its outperforming it! I'm thinking of buying this and IWDA from SCB but undecided on SGX individual stocks, reits or etfs and reits etfs. Any recommendations to complete my portfolio?

I'd recommend the same portfolio to you as to all new investors, because these basic principles work pretty well:

1) A mix of stocks and bond ETFs. No REITs or REIT ETFs, real estate is a massively overrated asset class.
2) A mix of local and global stock ETFs. Go broad. IWDA already owns all the stocks in the S&P 500, you don't need to buy CSPX as well.
3) Don't buy single stocks. You have absolutely no advantage over professionals when it comes to stockpicking; your best way to invest is to buy broad index ETFs.

The end result is ES3, MBH, and IWDA, in the appropriate proportions to your age.
 
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I'd recommend the same portfolio to you as to all new investors, because these basic principles work pretty well:

1) A mix of stocks and bond ETFs. No REITs or REIT ETFs, real estate is a massively overrated asset class.
2) A mix of local and global stock ETFs. Go broad. IWDA already owns all the stocks in the S&P 500, you don't need to buy CSPX as well.
3) Don't buy single stocks. You have absolutely no advantage over professionals when it comes to stockpicking; your best way to invest is to buy broad index ETFs.

The end result is ES3, MBH, and IWDA, in the appropriate proportions to your age.

Thank you Shiny,

although i didn't ask the questions but you have answered most of the doubts i had.

but may i ask, why not REITS ETF, overrated in what sense ?
recently, i have started RSP on this counter CFA, as i wanna be like dividend warrior too. collecting some dividend for my holiday get away.

CSPX, its very tempting.. as the jump could be $7 a day..
but you already have your reason and explanation, Go broad :)

i have been following your advise for a number of years :s13:
 

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Dear shiny

At this pt you still recommend iwda over vwra . Why is that so?

Also why is there a need for es3 ? Why not just a 2 fund portfolio
 

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1) A mix of stocks and bond ETFs. No REITs or REIT ETFs, real estate is a massively overrated asset class.
Stock funds generally include real estate already. Goodness knows that’s true of STI stock funds. (It’s a major clue when an index constituent has the term “REIT” in its name.) I think your point is that it’s pointless to overweight a sector, especially when you already do it if/when you buy your own home.

The end result is ES3, MBH, and IWDA, in the appropriate proportions to your age.
G3B is a perfectly fine substitute for ES3, and VWRA or LCWD are perfectly fine substitutes for IWDA.
 

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recently, i have started RSP on this counter CFA, as i wanna be like dividend warrior too. collecting some dividend for my holiday get away.
Why do you need dividends for a holiday getaway? Let’s set aside the fact getaways aren’t likely soon, why aren’t you just saving for a getaway from employment income?

In other words, you seem to be suggesting that dividends mean you can spend more. No, that’s bad. Higher total returns net of costs let you spend more. You have two choices for dividends: reinvest them, or spend them. If psychologically you are encouraged to spend more than you otherwise would when dividends are flowing, then you definitely shouldn’t be focused on dividends. You shouldn’t be anyway because total returns net of costs are all that matter, but you REALLY shouldn’t be if you think dividends somehow give you license to spend more.

There’s a lot of frankly dumb “dividend investing” ideas out there. Back in the old days — decades ago, really — there was a little bit of sense when it was more difficult and definitely more expensive to sell shares in order to buy bread (while retired typically). You had to dig out stock certificates from safe deposit boxes, visit a broker, sell an even (and too large) block, etc. It was an expensive hassle back then. Also, there were some more and more stable regulated monopolies that paid dividends, and they were something halfway in between investment grade bonds and general stocks in their character. So grandmothers and grandfathers would have them, shares in the telephone, gas, and electric companies — utility stocks, mainly. All of that is history and no longer makes any sense.

So save for your vacation if you like, but do it straight up. Your dividends, if any, are for reinvesting until retirement.

Amazon hasn’t paid even a single penny in dividends, ever. But what a stock it has been. “Dividend investing” means you would have avoided holding Amazon somewhere in your then less diversified portfolio. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

At this pt you still recommend iwda over vwra . Why is that so?
Either is fine! So is LCWD for that matter if you prefer that one. IWDA is a prototypical example, but if you prefer a close substitute, fine! Rock on!

None of these non-U.S. funds are appropriate for U.S. persons, as a reminder. I certainly don’t touch these funds, and I assume Shiny Things doesn’t either.

Also why is there a need for es3 ? Why not just a 2 fund portfolio
If you’re not retiring in Singapore — you’re just passing through, for example — there isn’t. (MBH wouldn’t be your bond fund in that case.) If you are then ES3 (or G3B) can be useful to some degree, in some measure, as something of a Singapore dollar correlate.

I’m OK with the idea of a two fund portfolio as long as you’re at least 7 years away from retirement in Singapore. However, between the Supplementary Retirement Scheme and CPF Investment Scheme (OA), both of which are not the sort of stuff you’d focus on early in a career (I think CPF MA and SA top ups for tax relief, and OA to SA transfers, are more attractive as long as you’re allowed to do them), you may find there’s really nothing better available for those particular SRS/CPFIS dollars than ES3 or G3B.
 
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I'll be honest—it sounds like your plan is to be mostly based in Singapore, but you're looking for an excuse to go all-in on IWDA. I'd keep your focus on Singapore; I know you don't want to buy the STI ETF, because it's underperformed in the past, but if your exposures are going to be to Singapore and maaaaybe SEA, you should stick to Singapore unless you really pull up stumps.

Thanks very much for your replies ST.
 

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I'll be honest—it sounds like your plan is to be mostly based in Singapore, but you're looking for an excuse to go all-in on IWDA. I'd keep your focus on Singapore; I know you don't want to buy the STI ETF, because it's underperformed in the past, but if your exposures are going to be to Singapore and maaaaybe SEA, you should stick to Singapore unless you really pull up stumps.

Thanks very much for your replies ST.

Why do you want to significantly overweight a market that's such a small percentage of the world though?
 
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Since I'm starting now, the best choice of platform to invest with small fees is DBS/FSM/SCB. But when I am able to invest more, how should I switch my platform? Do I withdraw from DBS/FSM/SCB and put it in IBKR?

I want to start now and I know which platform has the cheapest fee for me to invest now.
Afraid that once I have more to invest, I need to change to another platform for cheaper fees.
 

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Since I'm starting now, the best choice of platform to invest with small fees is DBS/FSM/SCB. But when I am able to invest more, how should I switch my platform? Do I withdraw from DBS/FSM/SCB and put it in IBKR?

I want to start now and I know which platform has the cheapest fee for me to invest now.
Afraid that once I have more to invest, I need to change to another platform for cheaper fees.

FSMOne for local, SCB for overseas counters.

Regarding IB, there have been people reporting that you can't transfer your shares from SCB to IB. So you have to keep that in mind. Also, you can't transfer your local stocks to IB (that may change in the future, but let's look at it for now).
 

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Why do you want to significantly overweight a market that's such a small percentage of the world though?

you are referring to STI exposures i supposed?

i would think fundamentally ST is coming from the angle that is if one is likely to stay and incur bulk of living expenses in SG, he should have meaningful exposures in SGD exposures as full IWDA would leave one significantly exposures to USD SGD risk when drawdown comes)
 

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I have a qn, if my dad is using IB for long term for , say in future he want to transfer his holdings to me, can he easily just do a transfer to another person in IB acct?
any restrictions of issues to take note of ?
Thanks in advance!
 

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Nope. We would have a very significant part of our wealth in CPF already. With housing, with CPF, with SGD bonds, with STI??

Yikes sounds like sg over exposure. Let's hope Singapore won't end up like Japan!

you are referring to STI exposures i supposed?

i would think fundamentally ST is coming from the angle that is if one is likely to stay and incur bulk of living expenses in SG, he should have meaningful exposures in SGD exposures as full IWDA would leave one significantly exposures to USD SGD risk when drawdown comes)
 

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i would think fundamentally ST is coming from the angle that is if one is likely to stay and incur bulk of living expenses in SG, he should have meaningful exposures in SGD exposures as full IWDA would leave one significantly exposures to USD SGD risk when drawdown comes)
No, Shiny Things is not saying that, or at least I hope he isn't.

Stocks are not currencies, period. They are stocks. Once you exchange Turkish lira to buy IWDA or ES3 -- you can! -- you don't have Turkish lira any more. You have shares of a stock index fund. That's the same principle whatever currency you start with. When you buy something that isn't money with money, you no longer have that money. IWDA isn't U.S. dollars, and ES3 isn't Singapore dollars. IWDA and ES3 have listing currencies, meaning that an exchange will quote a price in a particular currency, but practically everything has an instantaneous valuation in whatever currency you wish. You can get a Japanese yen quotation on a Pete Rose rookie baseball card if you wish, but that doesn't mean the baseball card is Japanese yen.

HOWEVER, ES3 (and G3B) are stock index funds that hold shares of Singapore Stock Exchange-listed companies. These 30 companies do a large amount of business in Singapore. (Not all, but a lot.) Consequently their business activities are correlated to that particular currency (Singapore dollars) to some greater extent than a global stock index fund would be. So ES3 and G3B are somewhat correlated to the Singapore dollar, but they are not Singapore dollars. They are not even MBH or A35, which are Singapore dollar denominated bond funds. MBH and A35 hold portfolios of bonds that promise to pay coupons and return principal solely in Singapore dollars. MBH and A35 are definitely highly correlated with the Singapore dollar.

Make sense?

I have a qn, if my dad is using IB for long term for , say in future he want to transfer his holdings to me, can he easily just do a transfer to another person in IB acct?
No, not generally. One notable exception is death, when IB is handling the transfer of securities from a deceased account holder to legitimate heirs. There are lots of reasons for these restrictions, including tax, money laundering, and exchange agreements. If you want to transfer wealth more generally then you have to go through the bank system: sell X shares, withdraw the proceeds to a bank, and the transfer the dollars.
 
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I have a qn, if my dad is using IB for long term for , say in future he want to transfer his holdings to me, can he easily just do a transfer to another person in IB acct?
any restrictions of issues to take note of ?
Thanks in advance!

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=1544&p=transfer1

IBKR customers can transfer some or all of their assets from one IBKR account to a matching IBKR account. The following rules apply:

- The Account Titles of both accounts must match.
- The country of legal residence of both accounts must - match.
- ...

I'm not sure if you have a joint account, whether it is possible to transfer to your individual account. For this type of question, you may want to ask IBKR directly and get an official answer.


While we are on this topic, CDP appears to impose no restrictions wrt transfer to family members.

CDP: https://www.sgx.com/cdp/faq

You may transfer your shares from your CDP Securities Account to any of your immediate family member’s CDP Securities Account.

SCB: https://av.sc.com/sg/content/docs/sg-fees-schedule.pdf

Change of beneficial ownership not allowed for UK, FR and HK listed shares

No restriction mentioned for SGX listed shares. Not sure if they only allow transfer between family members though.
 

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Hi Shiny Things and Bbc watcher, i want to dca or lump sum investment (Sgd 477k) into Iwda but i keep thinking i can time the market cant bear to see losses in unrealiz3d profit or keep thinking yhe market can go lower or im dcaing into usd to buy IWDA should i just accept no one knows when the low or high is and i should go in lump sum or slowly dca knowing in the long term 28-40 years it will be significantly higher

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