Linksys Velop - WiFi that sets you free

[renfred89]

It is a pity that a high cost Velop mesh systems do not support Vlan...

vlan only mainly used by singtel and not other providers in major markets.. with singtel moving forward to ONR, all the more no need for vlan enabled router/mesh..

 

[renfred89]

yes, any singtel user here using velop system ? hence successfuly replaced the ISP router?

i now runnng velop mesh with bridge mode, wanting to replace the ISP router so i can enjoy full velop feature.

any sugguested work around method?

i'm using singtel with bridged mode too, and to me its no difference if velop is doing the routing or not, since i'm using my old ea9500s as router..

 

[xiaofan]

vlan only mainly used by singtel and not other providers in major markets.. with singtel moving forward to ONR, all the more no need for vlan enabled router/mesh..

Good points. Thanks for the explanation.

On the other hand, I will hold on to my ONT for SingTel.

 

[Apex]

To me MR8300 is simply too expensive...

But AC Elite is not a good router. Maybe a cheaper WiFi 6 router with Vlan can be the choice, say Asus RT-AX58U to use together with your existing Velop Triband.

Not sure if this is the MR8300 u are talking about. Saw the price is 189. For triband router price look okey but compare with Xiaomi, tplink wifi6 router a little ex.

https://shopee.sg/LINKSYS-MR8300-Ga...1-3-Year-Local-Warranty-i.68909495.2601135519

Now $189.

 

[xiaofan]

Not sure if this is the MR8300 u are talking about. Saw the price is 189. For triband router price look okey but compare with Xiaomi, tplink wifi6 router a little ex.

https://shopee.sg/LINKSYS-MR8300-Ga...1-3-Year-Local-Warranty-i.68909495.2601135519

Now $189.

Ah at S$189 then that is perfectly fine.

What I meant to say is that RRP of S$329 is too expensive.

BTW I am looking at a new low cost WiFi 6 router (AX3000 or better) at around S$200 to replace my six year old Linksys WRT1900AC. Unfortunately new Linksys WiFi 6 routers do not support Vlan. And they are too expensive.

I am on SingTel 1Gbps plan and need Vlan as I am using ONT. Right now RT-AX58U and TP-Link AX50 are the two lower cost candidates. But I am not in a hurry as I do not have any WiFi 6 client now.

 

[renfred89]

Good points. Thanks for the explanation.

On the other hand, I will hold on to my ONT for SingTel.

you can't hold on for too long.. eventually all ONT will become ONR in time to come..

 

[xiaofan]

you can't hold on for too long.. eventually all ONT will become ONR in time to come..

I see. I will trust you on this.

Anyway, I am still okay with ONR as I do not run anything special at home and I value SingTel's reliability. I also do not have plan to buy any high cost routers.

 

[jess_sy]

you can't hold on for too long.. eventually all ONT will become ONR in time to come..

Will ONR affect the wifi router? compared to ONT?

 

[giraffey]

Will ONR affect the wifi router? compared to ONT?

The "router" functions of the wireless router would be made redundant as it becomes only an access point. Router features such as QOS, VPN, Security, Parental Controls, DHCP, etc.

 

[xiaofan]

Will ONR affect the wifi router? compared to ONT?

ONR makes the job of SingTel easier. If you use an ONR, supposedly the recommended way is to set your wireless router (cheap or expensive) as an Access Point. Basically all the current router in the market should support this AP mode.

With ONT, you need to use a Vlan enabled wireless router. So not all 3rd party router can work. This may make SingTel support more complicated.

To the more advanced user who wants to use high feature router, it is a problem to configure the high feature router as an AP and often many features will not be available in AP mode.

You can still use the router mode with the ONR, that will cause the double NAT which the experts will avoid in general.

Therefore quite some advanced users will avoid Singtel because of ONR.

Double NAT explained:
https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT

Double NAT is when you connect your router behind another router creating two different private networks. For example, connecting your NETGEAR router behind a modem/router provided by your ISP. Double NAT does not prevent your devices access to the internet but may cause problems with playing online games, opening a specific service port, connecting to a VPN tunnel, or visiting secure sites with SSL. Also, the devices connected to the first private network may not be able to communicate to the devices connected to the other private network.

 

[civicguy]

Hi.

For the master node of the Velop, is it better to place in one side of the flat then the rest of the nodes are in the middle of the flat and end of the flat.

Or is it better to place the master node in the middle of the flat and put two nodes on the sides.

Not sure if I explain it well

 

[renfred89]

Hi.

For the master node of the Velop, is it better to place in one side of the flat then the rest of the nodes are in the middle of the flat and end of the flat.

Or is it better to place the master node in the middle of the flat and put two nodes on the sides.

Not sure if I explain it well

master node needs to be connected to the router via cable, it has to be near the router. if you have a wired point at your designated location, then master node no need to be near router. the idea is that master node is the one handling the traffic, so you gotta find a way to put the master node as centralised as possible, so that devices do not get more than necessary hops.

 

[dreamer_toons]

Hi.

For the master node of the Velop, is it better to place in one side of the flat then the rest of the nodes are in the middle of the flat and end of the flat.

Or is it better to place the master node in the middle of the flat and put two nodes on the sides.

Not sure if I explain it well

Previously, I have my master node at the living room, followed by the 2nd node and the 3rd node, which was the further away. I experienced lost of connection on the 3rd followed by 2nd nodes.

Recently, I did some adjustments; the master node took over the position of the 2nd node; it sits in the middle between the 2nd and 3rd node now. The connection is stable with no drop in connection and improvement in speed.

 

[hkingx]

lol. In the end i buy Linksys MR9000 (to replace Singtel AC elite router) to mesh with my existing velop Tri-band. .

 

[hkingx]

Any ITsecurity expert here?

what is "filter multicast" ,Filter internet NAT redirection" in firewall setting?
is there need to enable? if yes , what is the impact on my side.

 

[civicguy]

Thank you renfred89 and dreamer_toons. Now I understand.

Yes my Velop Master Node can be anywhere as I can link the router to any LAN points.

Thanks. I will link it to my middle bedroom then. Then one node in the living room at one end and one node in the master bedroom at the other end.

 

[civicguy]

Hi all. Is this the right way to set up a Velop ethernet backhaul ?

Quite impossible to set it up in a HDB BTO flat even with its network already laid ? Only one ethernet port in each room

 

[xonix]

Buy a 4 or 5 port gigabit switch

 

[civicguy]

Oh they don’t need to be connected to each other directly ? Can be going to a common switch ?

Buy a 4 or 5 port gigabit switch

 

[snorex]

The only hurdle she encountered was to choose which type of set up we need to choose;

1) Modem with router and
2) Modem-Router.

For Singapore fibre ISPs, usually is Modem-Router mode. If you choose modem with router, the app will instruct you to remove the router and use Velop as a router instead. So after choosing Modem-Router mode, just connect the Parent Node to the wireless router and it will automatically acquire DHCP from your main router.

Hey, thanks for the review. Can you help me out with 3 questions please?

Question 1) If I use a modem with router setup (which I believe means a ONT + Router setup), then do I need the router to be present for Velop to work?

So in my current setup it is like this:
Modem -> router

I want to check if it is possible to do this:
Modem -> Velop master node -> Velop child node -> Velop child node?

Question 2) I saw some users earlier in the thread doing the following:
Modem -> Asus router -> Velop master -> Velop child -> Velop child

What is the purpose of the Asus router being there? Seems like the Velop master has to be physically linked by Lan to Velop master. If so, it appears to me that the Velop Master is acting as a router also in addition to the Asus router?

Question 3) What is the rule of thumb you use for arranging your velop devices? Someone in the thread mentioned max 1 wall between them (based on drawing an invisible line between the nodes). If so, this is going to be hard to implement in my unit...

Thanks.