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Big fallacy and naive to look just at such face value, because IWDA covering 80% only owns a very small % of index stocks (vs all listed stocks) and there is a self-fulfilling prophecy of encouraging people to buy index ETFs focusing on index stocks and this resulted in people keep pushing up only such index stocks and making them terribly over-valued vs other non-index stocks, like now.

Another side effect is that my return will become very much lower all the long-term if I am just buying index ETFs and nothing else (if you buy them when they are already over-valued and they tend to more over-valued most of the time vs other non-index stocks). Isn't this the reason why you return is so low over >30 years period?


Total global stock market capitalization is very roughly US$90 trillion, and IWDA probably covers about 80% of that, or about US$72 trillion. Nothing any poster writes in this forum will have any material impact on such numbers.

There’s nothing nefarious in suggestions to do some long-term, well diversified index fund investing.
 

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does anyone have experience with the etoro broker platform?

seems really interesting to be able to copy portfolio of someone
 

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does anyone have experience with the etoro broker platform?
seems really interesting to be able to copy portfolio of someone
I recommend stay out of eToro. Never never use eToro.

The commission and exchange rate is too high.

I use eToro when I start learning investment few year back and loss all my capital.

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I recommend stay out of eToro. Never never use eToro.

The commission and exchange rate is too high.

I use eToro when I start learning investment few year back and loss all my capital.

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wah so serious? lose all capital? I thought quite cool sia, have function to copy portfolio
 

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does anyone have experience with the etoro broker platform?

seems really interesting to be able to copy portfolio of someone

I used eToro in 2018 for trading cryptos and indices. My initial US$2k became US$200 after a few months of day trading using half-baked strategies and crazy leverages (x10, x25, x50 or x100). It was not eToro's fault that I lost money though. After that episode, I withdrew all the balance and did not use the account anymore. It was a point in life when I hated my job and wanted an escape route, therefore experimented with it.

Their system is actually very user-friendly, and makes investing and making money sound so easy, especially to newbies. They don't emphasize/show the commissions or fees when you place a trade, and they make using leverage so convenient to use. The social networking part is a strength, and the CopyTrader feature looks very promising/tempting although I have not used it.

Originally, my eToro was regulated by Cyprus SEC. Do you know where is Cyprus? Regulation was one of their weaknesses. However, recently they moved my account (abandoned, with $0 balance) to their Australian entity so things might have improved on that front.

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Recently, I heard a friend uses eToro too, but I didn't ask what he invests in (quite likely the CopyTrader).

The stats of their most copied traders certainly looks very attractive (I just checked). If you really want to try, I think there is not much harm using the CopyTrader function (as long as you don't day trade or use leverage like I did). I do not necessarily encourage it either; I'm neutral. Make sure to check the strategy used by the traders you are copying (some of them use leverage and some invests in cryptos/commodities etc), and their long term records (past few years, not just past few months). Also, only try with small sums you can afford to lose. I don't recommend investing 5 figures or above. Customer support seems quite slow, so you have to be patient if you contact them. Treat it as a play account if you want to try.

I personally would not use CopyTrader because I have already adopted DCA/ST/Boglehead and invest for the long term. I do not chase high returns anymore, especially with my retirement portfolio which is supposed to become big eventually.

P/S: eToro is not a broker you would use for DCA/ST/Boglehead retirement portfolio. Their fees are not low and the regulatory standing is not at the same level as IBKR, SCB or even local brokers.
 

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My initial US$2k became US$200 after a few months of day trading using half-baked strategies and crazy leverages (x10, x25, x50 or x100).

P/S: eToro is not a broker you would use for DCA/ST/Boglehead retirement portfolio. Their fees are not low and the regulatory standing is not at the same level as IBKR, SCB or even local brokers.

wait...you can get so much leverage? Really? With that much leverage, u can basically do alot of sure win options and do it really risk free if u know what ya doing...if ur wrong on an option trade, just roll it over..usually large cap dont move much

How's their execution and do they sell order flow? Because sounds like they are a bucket shop type of broker, quite fishy

it sounds really attractive to me wrt leverage and yes, im planning to daytrade or swingtrade.

Do they offer locates for shorting shares and do u need to pay to short shares as I know IBKR is free for easy to borrow stocks

thanks for the info...tbh, i plan to just play around with it but not fund it. Thinking of getting information from there and then executing with IBKR platform since im so used to it and find relearning platforms a pain in the s. The copytrader function is really interesting too
 

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How's their execution and do they sell order flow? Because sounds like they are a bucket shop type of broker, quite fishy

Not sure.

Do they offer locates for shorting shares and do u need to pay to short shares as I know IBKR is free for easy to borrow stocks

thanks for the info...tbh, i plan to just play around with it but not fund it. Thinking of getting information from there and then executing with IBKR platform since im so used to it and find relearning platforms a pain in the s. The copytrader function is really interesting too

The "beauty" of eToro is that it makes everything (including the dangerous stuff) super simple to use. You just click Buy or Sell, and decide the amount, leverage, stop loss, and take profit.

Yes, you can short sell, but not sure of the cost. All complexities are not shown on their clean interface.

Their indices (eg. S&P500) are actually futures, which I only found out later because I could trade it when US markets are closed.

They also allow you to add funds via credit card, PayPal, Skrill, etc, all of which incur a cost to them. (You don't see IBKR, SCB or any local brokers offering these add funds methods.) eToro is confident at taking a small loss with your deposit and makes up with your trading fees later. Their fees may be high; better check their website before investing.

I doubt any serious daytrader would use eToro. eToro is designed for newbies. CopyTrader is unique to eToro, and is probably its best use case. For everything else, you can find better/cheaper brokers out there.
 
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I used eToro in 2018 for trading cryptos and indices. My initial US$2k became US$200 after a few months of day trading using half-baked strategies and crazy leverages (x10, x25, x50 or x100). It was not eToro's fault that I lost money though. After that episode, I withdrew all the balance and did not use the account anymore. It was a point in life when I hated my job and wanted an escape route, therefore experimented with it.

Their system is actually very user-friendly, and makes investing and making money sound so easy, especially to newbies. They don't emphasize/show the commissions or fees when you place a trade, and they make using leverage so convenient to use. The social networking part is a strength, and the CopyTrader feature looks very promising/tempting although I have not used it.

Originally, my eToro was regulated by Cyprus SEC. Do you know where is Cyprus? Regulation was one of their weaknesses. However, recently they moved my account (abandoned, with $0 balance) to their Australian entity so things might have improved on that front.

etoro-aus.png


Recently, I heard a friend uses eToro too, but I didn't ask what he invests in (quite likely the CopyTrader).

The stats of their most copied traders certainly looks very attractive (I just checked). If you really want to try, I think there is not much harm using the CopyTrader function (as long as you don't day trade or use leverage like I did). I do not necessarily encourage it either; I'm neutral. Make sure to check the strategy used by the traders you are copying (some of them use leverage and some invests in cryptos/commodities etc), and their long term records (past few years, not just past few months). Also, only try with small sums you can afford to lose. I don't recommend investing 5 figures or above. Customer support seems quite slow, so you have to be patient if you contact them. Treat it as a play account if you want to try.

I personally would not use CopyTrader because I have already adopted DCA/ST/Boglehead and invest for the long term. I do not chase high returns anymore, especially with my retirement portfolio which is supposed to become big eventually.

P/S: eToro is not a broker you would use for DCA/ST/Boglehead retirement portfolio. Their fees are not low and the regulatory standing is not at the same level as IBKR, SCB or even local brokers.


Randomly stumbled into here. I feel a bit gan dong after reading this hahah. Well, most people don't like their jobs. Upkeep is high in SG so we just have to bite the bullet and go to work.

Most of the pros use systems like Viking or CQG. I've not spotted any pros on SSI yet. That fancy technical chart on STI you were curious about, I think I can decipher all the indicators there with ease. Been there done that.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience day trading. Try not to dabble further?

Let me know what you would like to know about bonds. Like maybe one question a week. I see what I can do. The previous qns took me an evening of thinking.

Sleep tight!!!
 
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Sorry to hear about your bad experience day trading. Try not to dabble further?

I gave up after realizing it isn't a get-rich-quick. To become a profitable daytrader requires a lot more work than I am able/willing to put in. That energy is better channeled into improving my career prospects. Daytrading is just another "job", really, and not something you can do by the beach. What I learnt in that experience, eg. basic technical analysis, remains useful to my investment journey. It was not entirely wasted.

Let me know what you would like to know about bonds. Like maybe one question a week. I see what I can do. The previous qns took me an evening of thinking.

Sure, thanks for that. I'll see you around in the forum.
 

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Hi everyone, I just finished reading ST's book and have a question.

I'm keen to start investing at $1k/mth with a 40-40-20 allocation to ES3-IWDA-MBH.

It's mentioned that each month, we should buy whatever we are short of.

Does this mean that I shouldn't apply for an RSP with, say, FSMOne and have them automatically invest $400 and $200 respectively into ES3 and MBH each month? Should I instead be manually purchasing whatever I am short of at that point of time to hit the target allocation of 40-40-20?

Are there any drawbacks to using RSPs with FSMOne for local ETFs?

Thanks in advance for any help as I'm new to investing.
 

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Hi everyone, I just finished reading ST's book and have a question.

I'm keen to start investing at $1k/mth with a 40-40-20 allocation to ES3-IWDA-MBH.

It's mentioned that each month, we should buy whatever we are short of.

Does this mean that I shouldn't apply for an RSP with, say, FSMOne and have them automatically invest $400 and $200 respectively into ES3 and MBH each month? Should I instead be manually purchasing whatever I am short of at that point of time to hit the target allocation of 40-40-20?

Are there any drawbacks to using RSPs with FSMOne for local ETFs?

Thanks in advance for any help as I'm new to investing.

You could, in theory, vary the RSP amount every month to implement the strategy ST mentioned. Of course, if you find it difficult to remember to change every month, then the lazy method of just setting the RSP and forgetting is just as good. Then you would "batch up" and purchase your IWDA on SCB every quarter or so.

Another alternative would be to use IBKR SG to buy all your local ETFs and IWDA.
 

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You could, in theory, vary the RSP amount every month to implement the strategy ST mentioned. Of course, if you find it difficult to remember to change every month, then the lazy method of just setting the RSP and forgetting is just as good. Then you would "batch up" and purchase your IWDA on SCB every quarter or so.

Another alternative would be to use IBKR SG to buy all your local ETFs and IWDA.
Thanks. Was wondering whether the ‘lazy’ method of DCA is acceptable for what he was advocating.

Fees wise, IBKR would lose out to FSM for local etfs right.
 

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Thanks. Was wondering whether the ‘lazy’ method of DCA is acceptable for what he was advocating.

Fees wise, IBKR would lose out to FSM for local etfs right.

Well, if you were really out to minimise commissions, his method would be the most cost effective method. But it's inconvenient. Every month must remember to change your RSP amount.

For IBKR, the USD 10 activity fee will be deducted regardless if you buy anything, so might as well buy with it. Now that IBKR allows purchase of SGX counters it's easier to consolidate everything in one account if you were planning to go with IBKR as your IWDA broker. Of course the math would be different if you use SCB to purchase IWDA.
 

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Hi ST, BBCW

What would be a good ETF which meets the following criteria?:

- Focuses on Asian markets (including ANZ but ex Japan)
- No sectoral bias
 

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Well, if you were really out to minimise commissions, his method would be the most cost effective method. But it's inconvenient. Every month must remember to change your RSP amount.

For IBKR, the USD 10 activity fee will be deducted regardless if you buy anything, so might as well buy with it. Now that IBKR allows purchase of SGX counters it's easier to consolidate everything in one account if you were planning to go with IBKR as your IWDA broker. Of course the math would be different if you use SCB to purchase IWDA.

Thanks, I might go with IBKR to keep everything in one place.

One more thing - assuming I currently have 20k in G3B from DCA-ing over a few years, it would make my portfolio 100% weighted in SG stocks. Should I then do a 50-50 DCA allocation to MBH and IWDA until I achieve the target allocation before I invest evenly in ES3-MBH-IWDA? I'm considering investing a lump sum into both MBH and IWDA to start things off, but not sure whether that makes sense.
 

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Thanks, I might go with IBKR to keep everything in one place.

One more thing - assuming I currently have 20k in G3B from DCA-ing over a few years, it would make my portfolio 100% weighted in SG stocks. Should I then do a 50-50 DCA allocation to MBH and IWDA until I achieve the target allocation before I invest evenly in ES3-MBH-IWDA? I'm considering investing a lump sum into both MBH and IWDA to start things off, but not sure whether that makes sense.

Yeah makes sense. Yes you could sell off some of your G3B for rebalancing purposes, or just DCA into IWDA and MBH until you reach your desired allocation.
 

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Hey all! Firstly, thank you to the very kind people who pinged me asking where I’ve been hiding for the last few weeks. The combination of an EXTREMELY busy time at work, refinancing my mortgage, and just generally having a heck of a lot of stuff going on has meant I’ve had to let a lot of things slide for a few weeks. (I even took a two-week break from Animal Crossing, which is how you know things are REALLY serious. There were so many rotten turnips when I got back. So many turnips.)

But this weekend, the sun is shining, the breeze is blowing, and I’m sitting out on my balcony with a coffee in hand and ready to see how everyone’s doing.

On that note, it’s been nearly two years since the third edition of Rich by Retirement hit the stands, and a lot has changed since it went to press. MBKE has shut down their extremely generous brokerage offering. IBKR has launched a Singapore entity. We’ve seen the ‘rona meltdown back in March, another stupendous rally in bonds and global stocks, Singaporean stocks have flatlined since March, but those dividends...

What would you all think about a 2021 revision of Rich By Retirement—would that be something you’d be interested in? And what would you like me to write about that didn’t get enough coverage in previous editions?

(And my offer to any Singaporean brokers that want to build their own robo-advisor and want me to help design it... that still stands!)

I wonder when it come a day when BBCWatcher and Shiny Things start to move on with their life or this forum close down, will IWDA and EIMI drop

As I believe many people here are following the standard recommendation

Oh man, I’m flattered that you think I’m big enough to move markets…!

Hello

ICLN, clean energy ETF,

any reviews on this, ST and company? :)

Here’s a dirty (well, slightly grubby) little secret of the ETF industry—fund managers will launch a huge range of thematic ETFs to see which ones get traction, and shut down the ones that don’t. Occasionally, a fund manager will have a hit like HACK (a cybersecurity ETF) or JETS (US airlines) that attracts a huge pile of retail money and makes them a cartload of management fees; in search of that one big winner, the fund managers will launch ETFs linked to literally any theme that’s trendy.

Anyway, no, I don’t think this is a particularly good investment. Not that I don’t like the idea of solar power (which is what most of ICLN is, with a few wind bits as well); solar power is cheap, clean, and if you strap a battery to it you can now solve the peaking problem that’s bedeviled green energy for decades. But it’s also hyper-competitive; prices and margins are collapsing all throughout the value chain; and you’d better believe the energy majors (BP, RDS, Exxon) see what’s coming and will be plowing zillions of dollars into clean energy over the next few decades as well.

Is it still worth to invest in STI ETF in this climate?

seem going to be the same level for long long time :(

I just wonder shld I continue my DCA

Yep. Look, the STI has not been a great performer since the ‘rona. It’s been hit by two forces: its sectoral makeup (heavy on banks and real estate), and the unpopularity of anything that’s not US tech equities. You’re waiting for Singapore to become popular again, and there are two things working in your favor:
1) One of the key principles of dollar-cost-averaging is that you’re buying things that are cheap, and selling things that are expensive. Singaporean stocks are CHEAP right now, so you’re able to buy a lot of them; and,
2) You’re getting “paid to wait”, and paid fabulously well at that. Even after the big three banks had their dividend capped, Singaporean stocks are still yielding mid-3-percent (better than you’ll get in the bank), and the banks are fabulously well capitalized. They have the strongest capital bases of any bank in the world. So when the MAS relaxes the dividend cap, they’ll be able to start fountaining dividends like they were before.

does anyone have experience with the etoro broker platform?

seems really interesting to be able to copy portfolio of someone

Hell no.

Look, firstly, Etoro isn’t so much a “broker platform” as it is a thinly veiled online casino. Some brokers are optimized for investing, some for active trading, and Etoro is very much the latter.

Secondly, a lot of Etoro’s offerings are “contracts for difference”, where you don’t own the actual stock - you just own a highly-leveraged bet on the stock. Again, it’s gambling, not investing.

Thirdly: copy trading is a bad idea. If the people you’re copying were actually any good, they’d be able to take their skills to any prop shop or hedge fund on the street, and make a lot more money than they’ll make from Etoro.

And even if they’re not good, copy trading will still make them rich and make you poor, because traders with big followings can easily front-run their own moves: buy some stock in a different account, then buy the same stock in their Etoro account, and watch zillions of copy-trading muppets ramp the price up so they can sell the original stock and make a nice little payday for themselves.

Don’t use Etoro. Don’t encourage them.

Guys. I’ve some excess HKD in my brokerage account. How can I mange this idle HKD? Is there some mmf/elf I can buy without fees? Thanks

Why do you need HKD in the first place? Unless you have some specific need for it, you’ll want to convert them back to SGD.

Hi everyone, I just finished reading ST's book and have a question.

I'm keen to start investing at $1k/mth with a 40-40-20 allocation to ES3-IWDA-MBH.

It's mentioned that each month, we should buy whatever we are short of.

Does this mean that I shouldn't apply for an RSP with, say, FSMOne and have them automatically invest $400 and $200 respectively into ES3 and MBH each month? Should I instead be manually purchasing whatever I am short of at that point of time to hit the target allocation of 40-40-20?

Are there any drawbacks to using RSPs with FSMOne for local ETFs?

It’s not a HUGE drawback. I used to be very disinclined to recommend FSMOne, because they charged unnecessarily high custodian fees; now, it’s just that using a set-and-forget RSP makes it a little trickier to buy IWDA at the same time.

Hi ST, BBCW

What would be a good ETF which meets the following criteria?:

- Focuses on Asian markets (including ANZ but ex Japan)
- No sectoral bias

My first question would be “why do you want this - why are you tilting toward AXJ? You need something more than just ‘I saw a newspaper article that said it was a good idea’.”.

That said, I think CPXJ LN does what you want, and at a low cost too.

I also had one question come in over the wires, which is one I get a lot, so I might even add it to the FAQ:

A reader by email said:
Why do you not recommend paying for Critical Illness in the term life plan?
I did my own intensive research on critical illnesses and saw that it was something that was necessary. Especially situations whereby I am ill, but not dead and in a coma for example. This would activate the CI rider.

Ahh, here’s the thing, you’ve been taken in by the insurance firms’ marketing. Critical illness riders are a big money-maker for the insurance companies, so they like to scare you into paying for CI by asking you to imagine “what if you were in a coma? What would you do?”.

The truth is, once it’s properly set up, your emergency fund will tide you and your family over while you’re incapacitated and unable to work; and your Medishield will take care of the hospital costs. You don’t need to pay extra for that.

If your emergency fund isn’t big enough to cover your expenses, you can also investigate disability income insurance, which is what you really want. It’s cheaper than a CI rider, and it’s more precisely tailored to what you care about: replacing your income if you can’t work.
 

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Hey all! Firstly, thank you to the very kind people who pinged me asking where I’ve been hiding for the last few weeks. The combination of an EXTREMELY busy time at work, refinancing my mortgage, and just generally having a heck of a lot of stuff going on has meant I’ve had to let a lot of things slide for a few weeks. (I even took a two-week break from Animal Crossing, which is how you know things are REALLY serious. There were so many rotten turnips when I got back. So many turnips.)

But this weekend, the sun is shining, the breeze is blowing, and I’m sitting out on my balcony with a coffee in hand and ready to see how everyone’s doing.

On that note, it’s been nearly two years since the third edition of Rich by Retirement hit the stands, and a lot has changed since it went to press. MBKE has shut down their extremely generous brokerage offering. IBKR has launched a Singapore entity. We’ve seen the ‘rona meltdown back in March, another stupendous rally in bonds and global stocks, Singaporean stocks have flatlined since March, but those dividends...

What would you all think about a 2021 revision of Rich By Retirement—would that be something you’d be interested in? And what would you like me to write about that didn’t get enough coverage in previous editions?

(And my offer to any Singaporean brokers that want to build their own robo-advisor and want me to help design it... that still stands!)
Welcome back! Yes, would definitely appreciate having a new edition of Rich by Retirement. Would really like to see a chapter dedicated to the new fangled medical insurance schemes that the government is implementing: Medishield Life, Integrated Shield plans, Careshield Life, etc. Maybe a guest chapter by BBCW?
 

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For buy and hold of UK-domiciled stocks (not Ireland-domiciled securities), what issues on withholding tax and estate tax are important for an investor to consider? For example, are there hefty taxes like 30% withholding tax and 40% estate tax like for US-domiciled securities bought and held by non-US investor.
 
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