Syfe Cash+ @ 1.75% p.a

Stallone

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Looks like we can jump ship from the horrible banks?

Info to be announced

https://invest.syfe.com/cash-plus/

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TS you compare this product to bank account.

Question : is your principal in this guaranteed by SDIC first? This itself is a deal breaker
 

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i been comtemplating to put money in such cash management company because the advantages are the flexibility to Deposit money anytime, no lockout period and seemingly higher interest rates.

but the disadvantages are... requires a few days to withdraw (Except poems and FSM only need one working day), no sdic protection.
so i guess i rather still to bank FD.
 

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This one similar to Endowus Cash Smart, Stashaway Simple, etc. Money market funds. Interested to see their portfolio and the backtested returns.
 

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This one similar to Endowus Cash Smart, Stashaway Simple, etc. Money market funds. Interested to see their portfolio and the backtested returns.
Yes LionGlobal liquidity probably one of the composition. It will be good if they allow client to transfer or RSP directly from the money market fund to the other invested portfolios, no need to redeem and re-add that save a lot of administration efforts and waiting times.
 

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bank funds are instantly available. i don't believe this is. need to wait at least a few days.

so not the fairest of comparison

I think the point is, with interest rates falling so low, we must put our money to work. In the past bank deposit rates provided a decent return without taking much risk. But now with global liquidity flooding into the banking system, we cannot be lazy with our money. We need to take some calculated risks and put our money to work.
 

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I can say with 99% certainty that it's not capital guaranteed. This is a money market fund, similar to Stashaway Simple and Endowus Cash Smart.
Yeah that's what I thought, just like FSM auto-sweep account too. I'd probably put a small sum in there to test waters first.
 

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Yeah that's what I thought, just like FSM auto-sweep account too. I'd probably put a small sum in there to test waters first.

As long as they're transparent with the underlying holdings, I wouldn't be too worried. Syfe is a regulated roboadvisor under MAS so your holdings will be safe.

The question is, how are they achieving 1.75% p.a.? Even Endowus Cash Smart Enhanced has a projected rate of 1.5-1.7% p.a. and I'm already a little wary of the risks of the underlying holdings. To get 1.75% they're probably allocating more to riskier funds than Endowus is.
 

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I think the point is, with interest rates falling so low, we must put our money to work. In the past bank deposit rates provided a decent return without taking much risk. But now with global liquidity flooding into the banking system, we cannot be lazy with our money. We need to take some calculated risks and put our money to work.

yep. but is not an apple to apple comparison. that's what i am saying
 

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Be it StashAway, Endowus or Syfe, it’s doesn’t deviate too far from using Money Market fund and short-term bond fund to give an interest rate that is higher than bank deposit rate and here we are comparing to the interest rate offered by the 3 strongest banks in Asia with superior credit rating.

The only way for the Robo Advisors to produce higher yield is by investing into funds that has sovereign or corporate bonds with a lower credit rating (e.g Single A or triple B some even goes below triple B i.e speculative bonds) or going into short term bond funds e.g average maturity at 2 yes or below). Most probably they will not invest into investment grade Money Market funds only as it’s average yield for sgd is unlikely to go above 1%.

In short, the lower the average credit rating and the higher proportion of short-term bond funds in the holdings, the higher it’s expected yield- nothing magical and yes nothing is guaranteed including default in selected bonds or interest rate spike resulting in falling prices for the bonds. In extreme case, interest rates might even fall into negative hence the money market fund might find difficulty placing deposit with financial institutions resulting in lower overall yield.

When you are jumping from a lower yield product to a higher yield product, you are basically moving up the risk-reward spectrum - as the saying goes higher risk = higher return & no free lunch in this world. This is especially true for money market and bond funds/ etfs, assuming equal cost paid (kudos to robots for giving 100% trailing fees rebate). Nonetheless, make sure that u do your due diligence in understanding what is in the underlying basket before putting your money into it.

In fact one may even design his own “cash” fund using money market and bond etfs to achieve similar results.. though currently these is no ultra short term sgd bond etf listed on sgx. the closest would be MBH by NikkoAM that has a medium term bond duration.
 
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